SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

If everyone's voting on what the office orders for lunch, and you're allergic to seafood, and you don't speak up because a couple people already voted for "sushi" and nobody ever votes for Mexican, which you're hankering for, you're just letting the office pick sushi and that nobody knows you've got a serious issue with sushi.

Or to put it another way:

[Endus]

Or to put it another way:

As fun as Spider is, it's more like there's a few knife-fuckers who vote religiously, and a larger mass of fuck-stab victims who don't vote because "the only politicians are pro-knife-fucking".

Get out there and fuckin' vote, you assbags. You can literally change everything if you give enough of a shit. The USA is circling the drain because of apathy. It's a living expression of the mantra that all that evil requires to prosper is that good people do nothing​.

"Guess we may as well get knife-fucked" is a stupid-ass position.

"But we can't change anything" you've literally never even tried.

[Rasulis]

We can add Gucci and Amalgamated Bank to the list of companies that will be providing expanded abortion health coverage for their employees. Add AT&T, Pfizer and Charter Comm.

It boils down to that in today’s labor market, where there is a war for talent, there is a perception that companies that do not offer the expanded benefit will be at disadvantage when it comes to recruitment. Especially for companies that recruit heavily from college graduates.

[Elegiac]

Maybe we should have voted harder?

If y'all had voted harder in 2016 this wouldn't have been an issue.

Instead we get endless bitching about how it's someone else's fault.

[Endus]

But that's kind of my point in a way and I know how this is going to sound, but imho until most the baby boomers die out there isn't much to be done or win. It's just too corrupt. I mean again when was the last times republicans won the popular vote in the past 20years? Yet we've had several republican presidential terms in that same time span.

"We've tried absolutely nothing and we're all out of ideas."

Maybe we should have voted harder?

Or, like, at all. Sort of the point. Voter non-participation is a key factor in why the USA is exactly how it is. You're letting the inmates run the asylum and complaining that you just can't do anything about it.

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But again, she did win the popular vote. But voting is secondary to corruption and rigging the system.

I do love all the Hillary memes now. My favorite so far is a picture of her in sunglasses with the caption "from the bitch who warned you and was right about everything!"

Far be it from me to laud a neoliberal like Clinton, but she basically was right.

And anyone who refused to vote or chose to vote Trump because of "corruption" wasn't paying any goddamned attention in 2016.

[Darththeo]

Far be it from me to laud a neoliberal like Clinton, but she basically was right.

And anyone who refused to vote or chose to vote Trump because of "corruption" wasn't paying any goddamned attention in 2016.

What bothered me the most about Trump supporters is so many repeated the lie that we needed Trump because he was a "political outsider" which is bs.

He wasn't a political outsider. He just never held a political position. And 2016 wasn't even his first try at the Presidency.

And Clinton wasn't the only one brining up Trump's issues.

[Rasulis]

As fun as Spider is, it's more like there's a few knife-fuckers who vote religiously, and a larger mass of fuck-stab victims who don't vote because "the only politicians are pro-knife-fucking".

Get out there and fuckin' vote, you assbags. You can literally change everything if you give enough of a shit. The USA is circling the drain because of apathy. It's a living expression of the mantra that all that evil requires to prosper is that good people do nothing​.

"Guess we may as well get knife-fucked" is a stupid-ass position.

"But we can't change anything" you've literally never even tried.

Granted that the US has low voter participation rate. However, many jurisdictions in the US made it difficult to vote. San Francisco had a voter participation rates of 80% in 2016 and 86.8% in 2020. Much higher than the typical US large cities. The secret? The City/County made it very easy to vote. Down below is a map of polling places in San Francisco for the 2020 elections ranging from churches, Chinese and Buddhist temples, schools, people's garages. Keep in mind the City is only 46.7 sq. miles (7 miles by 7 miles at its widest). People literally could not walk a block without running into a polling place.

Make it difficult to vote is GOP winning formula.

[Lynarii]

But that's kind of my point in a way and I know how this is going to sound, but imho until most the baby boomers die out there isn't much to be done or win. It's just too corrupt. I mean again when was the last times republicans won the popular vote in the past 20years? Yet we've had several republican presidential terms in that same time span.

Everything you said is technically true and it all sounds good on paper, but I'm looking at real life and real life results during my lifespan. My conclusion, at least for now, is that voting is largely ineffective outside of local stuff.

Isn't it something stupid like almost 70% of Americans are pro abortion in some manner, yet we are about to overturn Roe v Wade and make women 2nd class citizens.

Maybe we should have voted harder?

The problem is, and has been, that the 30% of Americans who are against Roe v Wade? They vote all the time. In every election. You can't have a vote amongst your friends on what pizza toppings to get without someone you've never met showing up to sign up their dead grandmother to vote twice to overturn Roe v Wade. The 70% of people who didn't want to see it overturned? They DON'T show up. If the US had a 90% voter turnout, all the gerrymandering and corruption you see in the US still wouldn't be enough to actually pull it off. That's why you have Republicans who have openly stated that if votes aren't suppressed, they won't win.

[Fugus]

But that's kind of my point in a way and I know how this is going to sound, but imho until most the baby boomers die out there isn't much to be done or win. It's just too corrupt. I mean again when was the last times republicans won the popular vote in the past 20years? Yet we've had several republican presidential terms in that same time span.

Everything you said is technically true and it all sounds good on paper, but I'm looking at real life and real life results during my lifespan. My conclusion, at least for now, is that voting is largely ineffective outside of local stuff.

Isn't it something stupid like almost 70% of Americans are pro abortion in some manner, yet we are about to overturn Roe v Wade and make women 2nd class citizens.

Maybe we should have voted harder?

The thing is your point is a self fulfilling prophecy. The only reason the boomers have the power they do is BECAUSE you don't vote nor does most others like you. It's corrupt as hell but not insurmountably though and much of that corruption is aimed directly at keeping you from voting.

The Republicans have lost the popular vote in every presidential election but 1 since the 1980's but have come close enough to be able to tilt the scales anyways. They can do that because they have kept the scale close enough that they can tip it, largely by making sure you don't or can't vote. The moment you tell them to fuck off and go to the ballots with your friends, THEY LOSE and they know it.


It's not a maybe, flat out, VOTE HARDER. The uncast ballot is the opinion that doesn't matter and can safely be ignored.

Quite literally, if you "Voted harder" and got your friends to do the same, the GOP would have been a footnote a long time ago. But so long as you don't care enough while their voters have a religious devotion.

Think of it this way, you can be the best fighter in the world but you will be worthless in any combat and tournament and will be ignored by fighters a fraction of your skill if they show up while you don't.

An angry voter who doesn't show up to vote isn't an angry voter, they are a harmless complainer and can and SHOULD be ignored until they actually have something they will come out to vote for.

So, vote harder.

[Rasulis]

The Turnaway Study from UCSF.

What is the Turnaway Study?

The Turnaway Study is the first study to rigorously examine the effects of receiving versus being denied a wanted abortion on women and their children. Nearly 1,000 women seeking abortion from 30 facilities around the country participated. Researchers conducted interviews over 5 years and compared the trajectories of the women who received a wanted abortion to those who were turned away because they were past the facility’s gestational age limit.

The main finding of The Turnaway Study is that receiving an abortion does not harm the health and wellbeing of women, but in fact, being denied an abortion results in worse financial, health and family outcomes.

The study finds that many of the common claims about the detrimental effects on women’s health of having an abortion are not supported by evidence. For example, women who have an abortion are not more likely than those denied the procedure to have depression, anxiety, or suicidal ideation. We find that 95% of women report that having the abortion was the right decision for them over five years after the procedure.

The Turnaway Study does find serious consequences of being denied a wanted abortion on women’s health and wellbeing. Women denied a wanted abortion who have to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term have four times greater odds of living below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL).

In addition, women denied abortion are:

• More likely to experience serious complications from the end of pregnancy including eclampsia and death.
• More likely to stay tethered to abusive partners.
• More likely to suffer anxiety and loss of self-esteem in the short term after being denied abortion.
• Less likely to have aspirational life plans for the coming year.
• More likely to experience poor physical health for years after the pregnancy, including chronic pain and gestational hypertension.
• The study also finds that being denied abortion has serious implications for the children born of unwanted pregnancy, as well as for the existing children in the family.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I have always and do vote since I was 18. Very bad assumption on your part.

You know full well that when they said "you" they didn't mean you personally. They meant younger voters in general, and the statistics prove them correct. Not enough young voters are voting to make a difference. The older bigots are. So we end up with politics that pander to those old bigots to a disproportionate extent.

The only way to break that cycle is to vote, and keep voting. Vote until the bigots lose all the power. Then reform the system so that the bigots can never regain that power. Then start to vote in a way that changes things for the better. It won't be a quick process, but the longer people opt out of politics, the worse things are going to get.

[The Casualty]

But that's kind of my point in a way and I know how this is going to sound, but imho until most the baby boomers die out there isn't much to be done or win.

I mean this in a general sense to anyone who needs to hear it - please don't hang hope on the oldest generation dying to change things. I'm in my late 30's now, and I see how the gen X'ers and us later millenials are turning out. We'll have more Matt Gaetz's, Lauren Boebert's, Marjorie Taylor Greene's, and their followers to contend with long after the last boomer is gone. All the while the Overton Window will keep moving further to the right, and we'll be fighting to get back to where we are today.

[Endus]

See above? Seriously the only thing you guys want to say is ad hominem?

EDIT: I'll tell you right now. If an honest voter in America feels defeated, it sure as shit ain't the voters fault. Stop blaming him and maybe talk about how shit and rigged the system itself is.

That's not possible.

The "rigged" nature (it isn't, really) is entirely because of who actually votes and who doesn't. Expecting those who are already largely getting the system they're voting for to change things is completely irrational. Protect your own interests.

Even in cases where measures are put in place to bar your vote. If you're not taking the kind of action that civil rights advocates took during women's suffrage and race laws barring voting for blacks, then you're not fighting this issue, you're sitting there and accepting it.

[Endus]

You're from Canada right? Why don't you come down to Georgia and tell your average black voter how fair and totally not rigged the system is then.

They can put barriers between you and the polls to disincentivize you voting, but giving up and not voting means they win.

And in the USA, it's mostly about such barriers.

And, to repeat, if your response is to not vote when you're legally entitled to, then you're sitting there and accepting it. I get the whole making it awkward for poor people to vote, by not making it a federal holiday and reducing polling stations to increase travel/wait times, and all that, but you need to accept the personal costs.

The only way you're gonna have a shot at making the system fair is by making every effort to vote. All of you. You're given the opportunity to fight, and the battlefield may not be fair, but giving up and surrendering without even trying isn't a reasonable response.

[Fugus]

I have always and do vote since I was 18. Very bad assumption on your part.

When I say "You" I don't mean specifically YOU unless you are one of the ones refusing to vote. I mean it to be group inclusive with the rest of your generation and those with your views. I include my own generation with this as well.

No clue of your age but I turn 41 this June and the only ones who seem to want to vote also seem to be the ones you would least want their views in any position of power.

Quite literally, if you have a population of 50,000 voting age people with and 5,000 of them are pedophiles with 90% of them voting religiously while 40,000 of them are firmly against it but only 10% of them vote, don't be surprised if the age of consent gets lowered to 5 years old. And I am not exaggerating on it as much as you think considering that 13 states have no minimum age for marriage licenses and have issued them to girls as young as 12 whom that adult can now legally do whatever he wants to her so long as it isn't recorded.

So, you need to vote, you need to get your friends to vote, and the moment they start complaining ask them if they voted and when they say they didn't tell them to shut the fuck up until they are willing to vote to do something about it but they have no right to complain if they aren't willing to do something about it and to stop expecting enough other people to vote to bail them out for their apathy.

[The Casualty]

Not even close, no. Why do you think the Matt Gaet'z and MGTs exist in the first place? Who are they trying to please?

They exist because people like them have always existed. There will be zoomers like them as well. They are trying to please themselves and get power, and it is coincidental that they support Trump. With him and his supporters, they get to say the quiet parts out loud. But make no mistake, without him and the old guard facilitating them, they would still be garbage and still be trying to do all those same things. They'd just latch onto people like Ron Desantis who is in his early 40's. Trump's rallies weren't all full of octo/septuagenarians. Things do not get better by sitting and waiting out the clock.

[Lynarii]

You're from Canada right? Why don't you come down to Georgia and tell your average black voter how fair and totally not rigged the system is then.

The thing is, the apathy and the fatalism that you're espousing, that's an intentional thing that the corrupt are trying to push. Promoting it is working for them and their goals. We're not saying that it is an easy thing to fight against, the barriers and the apathy and the difficulties are things that have been built up brick by brick for generations, and it's nothing if not an imposing wall to stare at and think "That's what is in my way??"

But they wouldn't have needed to put so much effort into building that wall if it wasn't important to them. If they weren't legitimately threatened by the idea of people actually voting and filling their civic duties. Frankly, they wouldn't spend so much time and money trying to keep people down if those people never had the power to rise in the first place. The mere fact that they have to go to the lengths that they do to prevent people from voting demonstrates a very real fear of the actual power that is in play if those people make it to the polls.

[Fugus]

Not even close, no. Why do you think the Matt Gaet'z and MGTs exist in the first place? Who are they trying to please?

Why do they exist? Because out of over 8 billion people fuck ups like this are bound to be in the bunch by just the laws of probability.

Why do they get elected? Because the idiots who support them vote religiously while those against them do not. These are younger people marketing themselves to the older racists and religious zealots and cult members whom are coming out to vote. If I remember correctly MTG got in because she ran unopposed so she was in before a single vote was even cast.

How do you get them out? Out vote the zealots who are pushing for them in large enough numbers that they can't tip the scales.

[Twdft]

But again, she did win the popular vote. But voting is secondary to corruption and rigging the system.

Trump 62 million votes
Clinton 65 million votes
eligible voters who did not vote at all: 93 million

Y'all could even have had another person be president without any Clinton/Trump voter changing their mind.

[VMSmith]

If an honest voter in America feels defeated, it sure as shit ain't the voters fault.

Well, we certainly can't blame the candidates for not appealing to people, or not actually accomplishing what people would like to see done once they do get voted in, right?