1. #1341
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I wanna know if pregnant women can claim their fetus as a dependent? Can they get benefits for the fetus? I mean, there are a lot of open-ended legal questions with granting fetal personhood.
    If a fetus is granted personhood, then a mother isn't having an abortion. She's evicting a non-paying tenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    If a fetus is granted personhood, then a mother isn't having an abortion. She's evicting a non-paying tenant.
    Kid didn't choose to be there, no tenancy agreement, not a tenant.

    If we're gonna be silly about it you could very well say that abortion is failure to render aid leading to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    Kid didn't choose to be there, no tenancy agreement, not a tenant.
    I suppose you're right. Likening abortion to eviction would be like saying the woman's body is someone else's property. Property doesn't get any say in the matter of what's done to it. Oh wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    You say that jokingly, but that was one of my first serious thoughts about this. The prison system is probably the second most profitable industry in the US after healthcare. The loss of the "war on drugs" would be catastrophic to their throughput of "clients". If they can replace that by going after poor (and more likely ethnic) people for anything related to sexual health, the Republicans probably think that's a no-brainer.

    It's disgusting to see. Unless this backsliding is reversed very quickly, the US is going to be living in the 1800s pretty soon.
    We have legal abortion in Canada and federally legal weed and we seem to be just fine. You guys need to abolish slave prison labor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    I suppose you're right. Likening abortion to eviction would be like saying the woman's body is someone else's property. Property doesn't get any say in the matter of what's done to it. Oh wait...
    The woman's body is someone's property. It's her own. You're allowed to evict tenants from your own home.
    But if this is the angle we want to go down, that a woman's body is a home and that an abortion is analogous to an eviction, that would be child abandonment. It's illegal to just evict your five-year-old for being a bum who won't pay his rent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    We have legal abortion in Canada and federally legal weed and we seem to be just fine. You guys need to abolish slave prison labor.
    But how will we stay in power? Prison corp donates 3 shitloads of money to me. I have to return on that investment, shit, that's the quiet part. I have to listen to my constituents, and create harsher punishments for crimes, like 3 strikes law or weed possession. Then we can fill the prisons up. The fact that those in prison (in some areas) lose voting rights while incarcerated (sometimes longer), mean we can maintain our power by targeting a certain demographic we think will always vote against our interests. Too harsh? We'll beef up the cops with surplus military hardware. If you don't obey any and all commands, and even if you do, at gunpoint you can see the point of a gun. This also removes said voter. This wouldn't be a problem if they'd just vote how we tell them to, and stop being so...what's the word they used to use...uppity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    But how will we stay in power? Prison corp donates 3 shitloads of money to me. I have to return on that investment, shit, that's the quiet part. I have to listen to my constituents, and create harsher punishments for crimes, like 3 strikes law or weed possession. Then we can fill the prisons up. The fact that those in prison (in some areas) lose voting rights while incarcerated (sometimes longer), mean we can maintain our power by targeting a certain demographic we think will always vote against our interests. Too harsh? We'll beef up the cops with surplus military hardware. If you don't obey any and all commands, and even if you do, at gunpoint you can see the point of a gun. This also removes said voter. This wouldn't be a problem if they'd just vote how we tell them to, and stop being so...what's the word they used to use...uppity?
    It sounds like you guys need to restructure how your government works at a fundamental level.

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    Oklahoma governor warns tribes not to create abortion havens

    Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) on Sunday warned Native American tribes not to create abortion safe havens if Roe v. Wade is overturned and his state enacts a near-total ban on abortions.

    Stitt told “Fox News Sunday” there was a “possibility” tribes could establish abortion havens if his state makes most abortions illegal.

    “Oklahomans will not think very well of that if tribes try to set up abortion clinics,” Stitt said, warning he is monitoring the situation.

    Stitt appeared on “Fox News Sunday” after the Supreme Court leak of a draft opinion showing the court was preparing to overturn the 1973 precedent Roe v. Wade, which created a constitutional right to abortions.

    Oklahoma has passed into law a total ban on abortions after six weeks, only making an exception if the mother’s life is endangered. The law would go into effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

    More than half of Oklahoma is within tribal lands. Stitt said the expansion of tribal lands in Oklahoma includes the city of Tulsa, which covers about 1 million people, so he is “watching” what might be done to establish abortion safe havens in his state.

    “They think they can be one-one-thousandth tribal member and not have to follow state law,” Stitt said.

    The Supreme Court is currently overseeing a case involving a separate dispute between Stitt and tribal leaders over whether the state can prosecute non-Native Americans for crimes committed on tribal lands if the victim is Native American.

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    First indian casinos and now indian clinics. I'm okay with both, especially the later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    First indian casinos and now indian clinics. I'm okay with both, especially the later.
    #Make all of Oklahoma Tribal Land.

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    Weird. In general, Tribes relations to the state they are a part of is interesting. For example, the Tribes in my state don't need to follow state minimum wage if they wanted. However, they do because otherwise who would work for them over any other employer in the state? The tribal land in my state isn't very large so it isn't difficult to leave for work. Well within normal commute distance for the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    We have legal abortion in Canada and federally legal weed and we seem to be just fine. You guys need to abolish slave prison labor.
    They have no desire to reform our prison systems because people don't care about "criminals." But there is a huge difference between a drug user and a drug dealer let alone other types of crimes, but when you bring up lessening the penalties for users, you get tons of push back and people thinking you are insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sett View Post
    I hope we can get mandatory vasectomies for every male from ages 10 to 30 in America. If we're going full retard logic with this I'm all in favor of having the government regulate a man's body as well. Takes two to make a baby!
    I've seen the idea that child support should begin at conception. All the hospital fees, doctor fees, anything else that comes with the 9 months of pregnancy... lump it into the payments.
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    we are pro life!!!!


    ...well until the brown people get baby formula, then we lose our shit and would rather have them die instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    we are pro life!!!!


    ...well until the brown people get baby formula, then we lose our shit and would rather have them die instead.


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    It's a complete red herring. Even if there is a few thousands babies at the border, which is a very generous estimate, that does not explain the current shortage for millions of babies throughout the country. Not even close, anyone with half a brain can see the holes in that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    It's a complete red herring. Even if there is a few thousands babies at the border, which is a very generous estimate, that does not explain the current shortage for millions of babies throughout the country. Not even close, anyone with half a brain can see the holes in that story.
    From what I heard, that wasn’t a picture of formula they are whining about but powdered milk which a parent will know isn’t the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    It's a complete red herring. Even if there is a few thousands babies at the border, which is a very generous estimate, that does not explain the current shortage for millions of babies throughout the country. Not even close, anyone with half a brain can see the holes in that story.
    Why blame capitalism and corporate consolidation resulting in the three companies deciding that selling baby formula isn't as profitable as it once was, when you can blame brown mother and babies and advocate for those brown babies to starve to death?

    They're very "pro-life" after all, and there's totally no racial element to this outrage. Not one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Why blame capitalism and corporate consolidation resulting in the three companies deciding that selling baby formula isn't as profitable as it once was, when you can blame brown mother and babies and advocate for those brown babies to starve to death?

    They're very "pro-life" after all, and there's totally no racial element to this outrage. Not one bit.
    Nah, babies don't need to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    As fun as Spider is, it's more like there's a few knife-fuckers who vote religiously, and a larger mass of fuck-stab victims who don't vote because "the only politicians are pro-knife-fucking".

    Get out there and fuckin' vote, you assbags. You can literally change everything if you give enough of a shit. The USA is circling the drain because of apathy. It's a living expression of the mantra that all that evil requires to prosper is that good people do nothing​.

    "Guess we may as well get knife-fucked" is a stupid-ass position.

    "But we can't change anything" you've literally never even tried.
    We all know Republicans win when there's less voter participation. Whether it's because of Democrat apathy, left-leaning apathy, Republicans just having more conviction to and ability to vote, or any number of other things, we know this is a fact. So there's going to be plenty of Republican policies that seek to stop people from voting. And in the future, no doubt they'll just try to make it so that most political positions aren't voted on at all.

    The US isn't that far off of being actually just Gilead with how much voter suppression and discouragement goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Nah, babies don't need to eat.
    White babies do, brown ones not so much. Apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    White babies do, brown ones not so much. Apparently.
    See, babies only matter until they are born.
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