I object not to your characterization of miscegenation, but what "shouldnt be left to [states]" from "historical bigotedness." You'd have the nation recovering from the civil war for every decade of the fifteen decades since. When Roe was enacted, thirty states were in the process of liberalizing abortion laws through the usual democratic form: legislators voting. But why have states and legislatures argue out the weeks of pregnancy/trimester and other states view the results/improvements/deteriorations when you can just have judicial fiat slam down on the table and shut it all down? I say the current rancor on judicial appointments is partly owed to the raw expression of judicial power that occurred in 1973. They wrote a trimester system that resembled an actual bill that might be passed by a legislature. No court deserves that power.
You'll be displeased to note that the "potentiality of human life"/"potential life," and the state's interests in both it and the pregnant woman, are part of jurisprudence because they're part of the Roe vs Wade decision.
Hence, I was confused by the post I quoted. I've stated my opinions on a broad number of topics over time, and been subjected to criticism for them. Is this Shrodinger's Poster: You both haven't stated your views on subjects, but have also stated terrible and wrong views on subjects?
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
The part that gets me the most is that there are exactly 0 birthing-capable women who have lived in a pre-roe world. Just set birthing age at puberty onset and Roe being 1973. That means the youngest ones are ~62ish years old now. Oldest natural birth is age 59.
Absolutely nuts.
Except the reason for many progress was because the court forced it. Texas would have never legalized inter racial marriage, gay sex, gay marriage, school integration, etc otherwise. The bigotry in the state legislature was too ingraned, and the voters were happy with it. Or are you ok for minority oppression to last much longer than it would if the court forced states to behave?
and considering we have current lawmakers trying to make such things illegal again, its just proof the states cant really be trusted
Not according to the kids of laws Republicans want to pass. They will only allow for abortion past 20 weeks if the mothers life is at risk.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...e-bill/36/text
“(B) EXCEPTIONS.—Subparagraph (A) does not apply if—
“(i) in reasonable medical judgment, the abortion is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, but not including psychological or emotional conditions;
“(ii) the pregnancy is the result of rape against an adult woman, and at least 48 hours prior to the abortion—
“(I) she has obtained counseling for the rape; or
“(II) she has obtained medical treatment for the rape or an injury related to the rape; or
“(iii) the pregnancy is a result of rape against a minor or incest against a minor, and the rape or incest has been reported at any time prior to the abortion to either—
“(I) a government agency legally authorized to act on reports of child abuse; or
“(II) a law enforcement agency.
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
- H. L. Mencken
@UnifiedDivide
Told ya again.
Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
"mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.
I was pointing out how he said that it wouldn’t be brought up if I hadn’t said it.
If you are mad at me for pointing it out, sorry but not really.
Be mad at the people I quoted for their bullshit as well if you take it that personal.
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No more derailing than the ones I quoted.
Edit: I believe enough have posted to prove I was correct in what would be said.
I’m off.
Yes this is fucked up and shouldn’t have happened but those who blame the voters for not voting for someone who actively snubbed them instead of the politician who did it are blaming the wrong people.
Later.
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Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
"mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.
I wish I had your religious faith, or Nostradamus future telling, to declare what would've happened in the future had justices not intervened. I just stated how many states were already liberalizing their abortion laws when the Supreme Court cut the head off from the body in the middle of it. But now we're arguing by analogy into four different supreme court cases through several posts and talking past each other. I've already said the nation is not in reconstruction and civil rights era racial segregation and miscegenation. You're stuck there. You want each court to view every national issue through the lens that the gavel is our democracy. I say the court, through Roe vs Wade, started an era of political strife because it was a terrible exercise of raw judicial power. There are two separate individuals in abortion questions, that are different from racial fights and right to privacy precedent, and their intersections of rights are a fundamental question for legislatures.
The Supreme Court, from Roe to Casey, has been awful at adjudicating limitations on the state's interests and language on viability and undue burden. That's more evidence that legislatures need to debate and enact provisions weighing the competing interests. Nine judges cannot write the final say. You see that interracial marriage wasn't debated to be possible before the fifteenth week, or school integration to be limited to before the second trimester. Gay marriage doesn't ask about the moment of fetal viability or abnormalities. It's a very different cake you're trying to force a baker to bake, here.
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
"states rights" are not sufficient on the matter because it's obvious that some states do not possess the means to govern themselves on such matters. Like... with the entirety of the South, and slavery. Slavery was not going to be ended until it had to be ended for them. That was right, because slavery is wrong, no matter how many southerners at the time thought it was "right," and no matter how they tried to justify it.
Furthermore, states that have passed these restrictive abortion laws have also began to basically illegalize it in other states, which breaches their own supposed goal of "state's rights."
Because this isn't about state's rights, just like how the civil war wasn't about state's rights. This is clearly a moralistic move on the part of the GOP, in attempting to inflict their specific brand of morality on others, full-stop.
And those morals are wrong. There exist such things as right and wrong in this world. Slavery, "anti-miscegenation laws," laws that deny the existence of LGBTQ+ people, and laws that control what women can and can't do with their bodies are wrong. It doesn't matter how many people believe they're right or if they happen to all be clumped together, because their ability to impress them upon people that think they are wrong is unacceptable.
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“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
But these are the reasons why people are against banning post 20 week abortions.
For one...we're talking about ~1% of all abortions. The woman that have abortions at that point of their pregnancy, in nearly all cases, wanted to have that child. It took something major to get them to decide to terminate their pregnancies.
For another...these are rules being put into place about medical procedures by politicians...not doctors.
And, pragmatically:
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
- H. L. Mencken
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Next time actually give a reply to me instead @ someone else.
Honestly people have became very unsettled here since Trump left office. People bringing up silly replies for no reason.
As far as this perso,who can't come to grip that one side is willing to do anything to vote for the single issue of killing Roe v Wade needs to wake up.
You think im the end these crazies put Trump through a test if he is a good right wing fundamentalist. No,he promising judges.
My post was genuine in I went to vote in 2016 understanding the Supreme Cour, even after the Garland fiasco.
So waiting for a politician who you feel snubbed at but at least know that person would give you a half decent judge. On you then.
"Buh dah DEMS"