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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Well, not anymore at least. Now you seem to try to silence me by telling me i am a joke.

    Try harder.
    You're not a joke, I'm sure you have plenty of qualities.
    You are funny, though - which is a quality in itself!

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    You're not a joke, I'm sure you have plenty of qualities.
    You are funny, though - which is a quality in itself!
    Thank you, you are such a nice guy, only with good attitudes.

    Let's be friends.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Thank you, you are such a nice guy, only with good attitudes.
    Let's be friends.
    I'd rather not. You are a funny guy, yes, but it seems we have a very different taste as far as humour goes.

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    I'd rather not. You are a funny guy, yes, but it seems we have a very different taste as far as humour goes.
    Do not worry, sarcasm is not for everyone. Some only learn to understand it in their mid 30s.

    Beside that i really would like a good mobile game in the wowkemon style from Blizzard.

    With more fun options and less payment options.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Do not worry, sarcasm is not for everyone. Some only learn to understand it in their mid 30s.
    Beside that i really would like a good mobile game in the wowkemon style from Blizzard.
    With more fun options and less payment options.
    Why would you want it from Blizzard, though? The company that tries (and apparently succeeds) to scam you at every corner.

  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Game looks perfectly fine for what it is. People tend to forget blizzard never really invent the wheel with it's games.
    Yes and that is the biggest problem WHAT IT IS.

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    Why would it want from Blizzard, though? The company that tries (and apparently succeeds) to scam you at every corner.
    Because i still hope they get back to the light side of the force. There is still spacetime left. Even if we already have May the 5th.

    Really, i would sacrifice a thousand bear asses at Hazzikostas shirine if he did a paradigm change to his game. And i would even sacrifice another 10000 if Blizzard would start to care more about gameplay and less about monetization nowadays.

    While i am not sure if Ion is a religious guy.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Let's call it an "elaborated" hobby to criticize Bizzard whenever they deserve it. And especially game design and how to do it right, contrary to what blizzard does. I would not call it a personal crusade. I am not Don Quixote trying to fight windmills. I am simply a guy who points out what that company became.
    Presenting your opinions as fact does not make them fact. You thinking they are doing something wrong does not mean they are actually doing something wrong.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Presenting your opinions as fact does not make them fact. You thinking they are doing something wrong does not mean they are actually doing something wrong.
    What do you normally talk about in a forum? About your opionion? And what do you use to argument it? Facts?

    See, i do that too. Welcome to the world of debates.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Because i still hope they get back to the light side of the force. There is still spacetime left.
    Since you're such a rational and down-to-earth cow, explain to me, please, why should that every happen? And what are the chances of it ever happening? And what would have to happen for it to happen? Because I feel it's fascinating stuff. The Redemption of Notorious Cashgrabbers. Sounds like a second coming of Jesus.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    Yes and that is the biggest problem WHAT IT IS.
    Why, why do you care? It's not like Blizzard is gonna force you to play it. Despite the rumors I'm pretty sure Ion can't put the gun to every player's head and tell them to buy the lootbox.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    If smth is massive it cant be projection of one person OR plausilbly they can share same opinion ? MIND BLOW! For me this game is piece of shit and i dont care who can ever said about it. I feel raped and robbed of my memories about warcraft lore ONCE AGAIN after reforged. And yes i take it seriously and personally in advaice. Why? Because its part of my childhood and my life.
    But you literally said nobody ever said That this new mobile game looks cool. I can go out on social media and din plenty of people who have. SO, your claim is 100 false. This mentality is also just as bad as Star Wars fans who think that they own Sgar Wars and they are the sole arbiters of what it should be. You seriously need to seek help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    What do you normally talk about in a forum? About your opionion? And what do you use to argument it? Facts?

    See, i do that too. Welcome to the world of debates.
    Except you didn't use any facts. Just what you think the game should be. Those are opinions.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    Since you're such a rational and down-to-earth cow, explain to me, please, why should that every happen?
    Because blizzard loses another million WoW customers? And the devs finally discover it was their design?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    And what are the chances of it ever happening?
    Even while i doubt it i still hope for at least some rationality among the developers. So if all customers stopped playing WoW i hope it is the latest moment the devs come to a conclusion they did something wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    And what would have to happen for it to happen?
    They should probably start to design their game for many and not for a few? mythic raiders cannot pay Ions high salary for a long time.
    And even casual gamers want gameplay and do not want to end as whales. But something we old gamers call "fun". And they are quite many.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    Because I feel it's fascinating stuff. The Redemption of Notorious Cashgrabbers. Sounds like a second coming of Jesus.
    You at least sound like a religoius guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    But you literally said nobody ever said That this new mobile game looks cool. I can go out on social media and din plenty of people who have. SO, your claim is 100 false. This mentality is also just as bad as Star Wars fans who think that they own Sgar Wars and they are the sole arbiters of what it should be. You seriously need to seek help.

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    Except you didn't use any facts. Just what you think the game should be. Those are opinions.
    Thanks for medical advaice here LOL IMO This game is just crap. Blizz were always doin GOOD games not gold rush shits. I was a bit confused with diablo immortal as mobile game from blizzard. Now i think immortal is triple A with compare to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Why, why do you care? It's not like Blizzard is gonna force you to play it. Despite the rumors I'm pretty sure Ion can't put the gun to every player's head and tell them to buy the lootbox.
    Im not forced ofc but this is my opinion about this game. ITS SHIT. The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    Thanks for medical advaice here LOL IMO This game is just crap. Blizz were always doin GOOD games not gold rush shits. I was a bit confused with diablo immortal as mobile game from blizzard. Now i think immortal is triple A with compare to this...

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    Im not forced ofc but this is my opinion about this game. ITS SHIT. The end.
    It's very presumptuous to say it's shit when you have 0 experience with it. Only visual experience through their announcement and possible gameplay videos by ppl like Towellie.
    Even if you do end up not liking it after you've experienced it yourself it's fine for you to say that this game isn't for you, but I highly doubt you'd be in the right position to say that game is factually "shit".

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    First of all, i never quoted Street saying they "hired guilds", i quoted him on saying that raiders are their most loyal customers, and that he obviously valued them most. I reasoned they are loyal customers mainly because they have weak social bonds to their guilds which literally is one reason they would not quit. If you do not understand a statement, simply ask.
    I mean you could at least have properly read my post before responding. I listed things you didnt post any evidence for, i didnt say greg street was the one saying they hired guilds.

    Also you didnt quote him, that would require you to actually mention where he says it, which he didnt.

    So once again - you have not provided any evidence for any of these:

    the greg street quote

    how blizzard hired guilds

    any evidence on blizzards nefarious business practises towards kids

    All of these are conspiracy theories because you have 0 proof for any of them.
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  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    I am in my 60s. You can get old without thinking everyone is an asshole. Just focus on criticizing those who really are assholes.

    Many, if not most of the people i met in my life are nice people. People who have families. People with friends. Fun in their life. Who have a job. Who love to share joy with others. Who try to get rid of misery, also for others. Who help others. Who accept help. That is what normal people are. And not the assholes that sell skinner boxes with credit card prompts to little childs.

    There are nice people in real life. I feel bad for you if you never met them.
    surprising that at your age you still have the same biases as teenagers. you either lived a lucky or a difficult life. anyway, those who cause evil don't need to be a majority to make the world dangerous and unfair. the world we live in. also it's unwise to trust people too easily. even friends could betray you.

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    Look, cantrip isn't wrong. Modern game designers literally study player psychology in order to manipulate the ways their audience engages with and spends on their games. It's beyond just "making fun games," it's at the level where they're conditioning responses and deliberately dishing out endorphins at precise intervals. This is especially true with mobile gaming.

    The vast majority of people are able to manage their gaming hobbies, but there are always going to be susceptible people who have addictive personalities or poor impulse control. There are tons of stories about people with literal cognitive disabilities pouring tens of thousands of dollars into lootboxes; not all whales are Saudi princes, influencers, etc. with money to burn.

    And they absolutely do target children. Yes, yes, parental responsibility, parental controls, etc. Sure. Some kids are always going to slip through the cracks and fall victim. What's worse, to me, is that kids are being conditioned to think that this stuff is normal. A lot of European countries have passed laws to protect minors from gambling and predatory monetization in games and that's a good thing for everyone.

    It's frankly sad that so many people are not only okay with companies preying on vulnerable people, but seem to outright endorse it. Like, they've literally got teams researching the best ways to break people down psychologically until they are compelled to make a purchase. It's fucked up.


    All that aside, apparently right now the game is actually free from most if not all of the typical mobile monetization schemes, so that's a good start. Not sure if that'll remain the case when it goes live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    It’s 100% souless. They use the Warcraft IP and somehow manage to respect the setting and lore less than the WoW team. Just look at their lineup of “leaders” to the map of eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor they shat out.

    Looks fun to me.
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    From my perspective the game is designed for a very young / child audience...
    No thanks.

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