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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    clash royale has no pve mode, and only 1 map.
    this game has it beat in both of those.
    so yeah its just clash royale
    but with an extensive and massive pve mode and countless maps in comparison to just 1.
    Is it REALLY countless though? or is it like......7.......?
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    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
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    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Is it REALLY countless though? or is it like......7.......?
    It's like 60 maps I think they said. Maybe 70? I forget but they do say the number in the preview video.

    Also Ark didn't say this bit but I felt the need to correct it: Clash has way more than one map lol. The maps change as you climb rating. They're more like map skins though, lanes are the same I think.
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    You are kinda joe Roganing this topic. Hardly have any actual knowledge other than what people have told you, and jumping into a discussion with people who have direct experience with it. Don't be Joe Rogan.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by AcidicSyn View Post
    It's like 60 maps I think they said. Maybe 70? I forget but they do say the number in the preview video.

    Also Ark didn't say this bit but I felt the need to correct it: Clash has way more than one map lol. The maps change as you climb rating. They're more like map skins though, lanes are the same I think.
    Yeah and I'm 99% sure that's EXACTLY what you will be getting here - different visuals, but basically the same map. Which is fine, but I doubt it will be 70 unique maps with unique gameplay. More like 7 maps with 10 slight variations and visual changes.
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    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
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    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

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    I've played other time waster games like the Torchlight mobile game. Simple no brainer 'ARPG' that cycles through maps and just gets progressively harder, with some daily 'Raid boss' fight which you solo but contribute overall damage on the server to defeating. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either and I had fun for what it was worth.

    I'm playing some Galaga mobile phone F2P garbage right now, and it's totally P2W style game bogged with ads, but it's mindless fun that I can kill some time with. I actually found Hearthstone too involved to be a time-waster, it's really much more of a sit down and game game than a time-waster. I think this would be much more accessible.

    I don't really care too much about people thinking this needs to appeal to the WoW crowd or not. I don't think Blizz even cares considering they embraced the cringe with their whole announcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    I wouldn't call this soulless. It might not be for you, but I wouldn't call it soulless. It's a popular genre with WarCraft flavoring.
    It’s 100% souless. They use the Warcraft IP and somehow manage to respect the setting and lore less than the WoW team. Just look at their lineup of “leaders” to the map of eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor they shat out.


  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    It’s 100% souless. They use the Warcraft IP and somehow manage to respect the setting and lore less than the WoW team. Just look at their lineup of “leaders” to the map of eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor they shat out.
    Er, what's wrong with it? Legit question.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
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    I just really fundamentally disagree with you on most of these things. I dont think you have any grounds to say that Blizzard has an especially nefarious business model compared to other companies - you just assume the worst imo.

    Ive never heard Greg Street say anything of the sort - it seems like an odd thing to say.


    Yet, socially week people could get addicted by those weak social bonds,
    I've met some of my best RL friends though wow - and today i play wow with 4 people who live within 30 minutes of my home. I think its a strawman and demeaning to try and belittle friendships just because they have started online.

    WoW is not even the worst mmo - by far - when it comes to its monitization model. I honestly dont think you have done the research to be able to say that.

    As for the last few quotes you just lost me. I honestly dont really know how to argue against your consipracy theory about blizzard hiring guilds. I dont know where this comes from - there is literally no evidence of this.

    As for items and AH and gold and so forth i just generally disagree aswell.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    It’s 100% souless. They use the Warcraft IP and somehow manage to respect the setting and lore less than the WoW team. Just look at their lineup of “leaders” to the map of eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor they shat out.
    Of all the things you could've complained about, you picked the most nonsense two.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Not if the gaming company encourages a kid to use money for play to win. That is not really comparable to your accident-scenario. Apples and oranges, you know?



    Imagine your kid had a friend, and its friend would encourage your kid to buy drugs without you noticing your kid stole your grand. Is it you being responsible for that? Or could you simply not know?

    Again. apples and oranges from your side.

    Gaming companies should be limited by law in monetarizations. Especially the means blizzard uses.
    There is a major difference.

    A company you buy/lease a product from is not your friend. There is a reason why being betrayed by a friend is one of the worst things - as that is someone you are supposed to be able to trust. A 12 year old is a kid - he has no financial accountability - it is you as the parent that has that accountability.

    Its like going down to a grocery store with a billboard displaying icecream for sale. Then giving your son your wallet, covering your eyes and ears and just standing still for 5 minutes. Then being angry at the store for your son going in and buying icecream.


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    Also let me add this.

    Blizzard does not make popups linking to other gatcha games or popus linking directly to instant pay services in the middle of playing their mobile games. Most other mobile games do that. And thats literally the worst offender when it comes to children because if you have a card attached they can unknowingly spend money on, as an example, an ipad or iphone. THAT is despicable. And MOST mobile game companies do it.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    asking a company to act "kindly" even less so.
    Which is why we create laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Not if the gaming company encourages a kid to use money for play to win. That is not really comparable to your accident-scenario. Apples and oranges, you know?



    Imagine your kid had a friend, and its friend would encourage your kid to buy drugs without you noticing your kid stole your grand. Is it you being responsible for that? Or could you simply not know?

    Again. apples and oranges from your side.

    Gaming companies should be limited by law in monetarizations. Especially the means blizzard uses.
    The game does not do so, the game right out says if you are underage you should not make any urchases without parent permission. If the parent just freely gives their kid the phone and credit card then it's their fault if anything happens. Phone have parental features built in to stop kids from being able to make purchases. Or limit the amount of money that can be spent per Day, week, month. And year. So if you givenyour kid your phone and card and they spend 500$ they it your fault not theirs. Cause they could do the exact same on literally any game on any console not just mobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Is it REALLY countless though? or is it like......7.......?
    It's 79 maps so far from what they said and from what towellie showed us in his gameplay coverage. With many more to come as dungeons and raids were not playable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Yeah and I'm 99% sure that's EXACTLY what you will be getting here - different visuals, but basically the same map. Which is fine, but I doubt it will be 70 unique maps with unique gameplay. More like 7 maps with 10 slight variations and visual changes.
    Nope they are varrying layouts and varrrying setups of nodes and items placed across the maps, each map is unique in some way to another. But yeah true I forgot clash does have map skins, but that's it. No actual layout changes.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post



    Nope they are varrying layouts and varrrying setups of nodes and items placed across the maps, each map is unique in some way to another. But yeah true I forgot clash does have map skins, but that's it. No actual layout changes.
    If you honestly think they have made over 70 unique and different maps, with dungeons and raids to come, i have a bridge to sell you may very much be interested in.
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    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    It is up to the game and the game company to check if the player is of legal age. And games which create addiction based on psychlogical tricks simply should be illegal for children.

    As like alcohol is illegal for children. And as many drugs are illegal even for adults. Gaming can be addictive and children should be protected against that by law. Every transaction by children that was not intended by parents for games and microtransactions simply should have to be refunded, and not only in europe, but also in america.

    And even the relentless guys at blizzard could develop some responsibility. In the hope that not all of their mission statements are hypocrisy.
    lol holy fuck this is just my bro, you should do stand up comedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    It is up to the game and the game company to check if the player is of legal age. And games which create addiction based on psychlogical tricks simply should be illegal for children.

    As like alcohol is illegal for children. And as many drugs are illegal even for adults. Gaming can be addictive and children should be protected against that by law. Every transaction by children that was not intended by parents for games and microtransactions simply should have to be refunded, and not only in europe, but also in america.

    And even the relentless guys at blizzard could develop some responsibility. In the hope that not all of their mission statements are hypocrisy.
    So phones should come with some technology that I haven't heard existing that scans your brain to be able to tell how old you are?

    It's 110% on the parents that A) supply the device and B) supply the money. The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    If you honestly think they have made over 70 unique and different maps, with dungeons and raids to come, i have a bridge to sell you may very much be interested in.
    i mean we have literally seen gameplay my dude from a couple streamers, and its accurate, but sure go off i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caerrona View Post
    So phones should come with some technology that I haven't heard existing that scans your brain to be able to tell how old you are?

    It's 110% on the parents that A) supply the device and B) supply the money. The end.
    nah he wants us to be forced to take pictures of our face and our ID to send to the government in order to check, before we can boot up our games.
    man people complain about queue times, just wait till they find the government ID check queue.
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  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    i mean we have literally seen gameplay my dude from a couple streamers, and its accurate, but sure go off i guess.
    Link me to the stream that shows 70+ unique and different maps. Ill chill out here for now.
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    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    nah he wants us to be forced to take pictures of our face and our ID to send to the government in order to check, before we can boot up our games.
    man people complain about queue times, just wait till they find the government ID check queue.
    Fucking what?

    Instead of parents not being pieces of shit and being responsible for their child he wants the government to set up a system that has to keep track and verify every... single...person that uses a phone?

    Like that dude is usually so delusional and zero clue what reality is but holy hell this is a new low.

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    lmao imagine shilling for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Link me to the stream that shows 70+ unique and different maps. Ill chill out here for now.
    i mean yeah they dont show all fucking 70, this is just getting sad, but towlie and others have videos on it, and have showed a fair few maps, with none of them being repeats my dude. all of them are unique layouts, of course some are similiar to others, but turret locations, gold locations, treasure chest locations, meeting stone locations, and of course how many of each exist are all different per map, so there is yes 70+ maps that all play differently, its not "the same like 5 maps with just a different skin" All the ones i could find, best shots i could get of each.
    https://i.imgur.com/f22XQpt.png https://i.imgur.com/sH5KU2I.png https://i.imgur.com/2q8Z2XZ.png https://i.imgur.com/H9qs1ma.png https://i.imgur.com/uZuQufY.png https://i.imgur.com/iDTIO20.png https://i.imgur.com/yAdvsoZ.png https://i.imgur.com/Kcu3q3D.png https://i.imgur.com/99rDLtv.png https://i.imgur.com/yixdU0z.png https://i.imgur.com/cTP9IrG.png https://i.imgur.com/V9Qqgp2.png https://i.imgur.com/VAmtggX.png https://i.imgur.com/X6co0Ca.png https://i.imgur.com/LkY0c6p.png https://i.imgur.com/hR0uOWO.png https://i.imgur.com/jZ1XWnc.png https://i.imgur.com/LsCuoVq.png https://i.imgur.com/BjoWAPg.png https://i.imgur.com/BI6caBx.png https://i.imgur.com/4bNopIY.png https://i.imgur.com/RjXTqXk.png https://i.imgur.com/Tn0qt9z.png https://i.imgur.com/luvtLD5.png https://i.imgur.com/xQmEiMx.png https://i.imgur.com/IWouqux.png https://i.imgur.com/qUGOesG.png https://i.imgur.com/CfLYACg.png https://i.imgur.com/UWsdKRt.png https://i.imgur.com/lvWsyw3.png https://i.imgur.com/DwcPdzt.png
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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    No, it is simply about the idea a gaming company has to refund all money spent once the parents complain to the company their child was not authorized to do so. And if the company is not willing to refund, it should be possible by law.

    In this case, Apple did refund the money:

    https://www.techspot.com/news/68791-...0the%20charges.

    Companies who are not as honorable as Apple in this case should be forced to be. Simply as that.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/140632...hild-payments/
    lol apple honorable?

    also wanna point out why you think blizzard would not do the same thing when they literally have a record of freely refunding people
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