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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    i mean yeah they dont show all fucking 70, this is just getting sad, but towlie and others have videos on it, and have showed a fair few maps, with none of them being repeats my dude. all of them are unique layouts, of course some are similiar to others, but turret locations, gold locations, treasure chest locations, meeting stone locations, and of course how many of each exist are all different per map, so there is yes 70+ maps that all play differently, its not "the same like 5 maps with just a different skin" All the ones i could find, best shots i could get of each.
    https://i.imgur.com/f22XQpt.png https://i.imgur.com/sH5KU2I.png https://i.imgur.com/2q8Z2XZ.png https://i.imgur.com/H9qs1ma.png https://i.imgur.com/uZuQufY.png https://i.imgur.com/iDTIO20.png https://i.imgur.com/yAdvsoZ.png https://i.imgur.com/Kcu3q3D.png https://i.imgur.com/99rDLtv.png https://i.imgur.com/yixdU0z.png https://i.imgur.com/cTP9IrG.png https://i.imgur.com/V9Qqgp2.png https://i.imgur.com/VAmtggX.png https://i.imgur.com/X6co0Ca.png https://i.imgur.com/LkY0c6p.png https://i.imgur.com/hR0uOWO.png https://i.imgur.com/jZ1XWnc.png https://i.imgur.com/LsCuoVq.png https://i.imgur.com/BjoWAPg.png https://i.imgur.com/BI6caBx.png https://i.imgur.com/4bNopIY.png https://i.imgur.com/RjXTqXk.png https://i.imgur.com/Tn0qt9z.png https://i.imgur.com/luvtLD5.png https://i.imgur.com/xQmEiMx.png https://i.imgur.com/IWouqux.png https://i.imgur.com/qUGOesG.png https://i.imgur.com/CfLYACg.png https://i.imgur.com/UWsdKRt.png https://i.imgur.com/lvWsyw3.png https://i.imgur.com/DwcPdzt.png
    Thats not 70+ maps, thats X number of maps with different item locations. This isnt hard to understand. Im not even saying thats a BAD thing, im just being realistic. Moving a few things around an existing map is totally fine, especially moving things like spawns, that can create some cool, new gameplay options. But anyone expecting 70+ genuinely unique maps is going to be very disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Blizzard even uses tricks in refunding. An example: If you refunded an expac purchase, and a level up boost was part of that prepurchas, the level up boost was not reverted, but the character was simply locked forever, not usable by you anymore. The only thing that could unlock your char (many boosted their mains i assume) was to simply buy the expac again.

    Those are the tricks of your "freely refunding" super-duper company you are such a big fan of.

    Also no, i witnessed myself they simply do not refund, especially if a refund time windows passed. In europe you may return every digital product within 14 days. If you let pass one day more, you simply get no refund. Blizzard keeps the money they got whenever no law is against their attitude.
    Thats how refunds work - you lose the things included in the original purchase, unless stated otherwise. There is no "trick" - think this through honestly - everyone would just buy expansion - use boost, refund, and keep boosted toon - its unlimited free boosts.

    Just imagine this - you buy a lounge suite - a 3 seater and 2 laziboys. You immediately ask for a refund on the suite, but say you want to keep the 2 laziboys - hell no, just wont happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    I did not talk about allowing the boost to continue to exist, i asked the character boost to be reverted and the character to be playable. When they reverted the purchase, they did not revert the character boost, but simply locked the boosted character.



    Just imagine this - you revert the purchase of a new expac and your main is not playable anymore because the boost is not reverted and the character gets locked. Good riddance.
    Why on earth would you boost your "main"? that makes no sense at all. Its clearly outlined in the agreement you accept when you make the purchase, if you CHOOSE not to read it, thats 100% entirely on you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    They locked your char (which they could do, as all characters, items etc. ingame are their property) as a "punishment".
    That's a stretch. They don't care about you personally, they honestly don't, so that "punishment" thing is just silly. If anything, they probably didn't have the tech to revert chartacter boost, and it's not something that can be done manually.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    No, actually it is up to the company to revert a purchase fully, not just partly. Still blizzard used that trick. No idea if they still do it nowadays. When you reverted a purchase containing a character boost and used the character boost, blilzzard reverted the expac purchase, but not the character boost. They locked your char (which they could do, as all characters, items etc. ingame are their property) as a "punishment". If you wanted to be able to play your main again, you had to repurchase that new expac. Which is quite shady. As shady as many other of blizzards habits when it is about monetization.

    Let me guess what your answer is.. "IT IS ALL TEH PLAYERS FAULT AND NOT TEH BLIZZ! AND TEH CHILD AND PARENTS AND NOT TEH BLIZZ!"
    Yes... it's your dumbasses own fault for being illiterate.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    No, actually it is up to the company to revert a purchase fully, not just partly. "
    Which they did - they reverted the purchase FULLY, in accordance with the agreement you made with them when you accepted the deal. Honestly, this isnt hard to understand. Not only do they make this VERY CLEAR when you make the purchase, they also make it clear when you attempt to make the refund. If you choose not to read any of it, even though it is right infront of you, that is absolutely, 100% entirely on your head my dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Let me guess what your answer is.. "IT IS ALL TEH PLAYERS FAULT AND NOT TEH BLIZZ! AND TEH CHILD AND PARENTS AND NOT TEH BLIZZ!"
    My argument is simple - you made a deal, with the terms and conditions outlined in the agreement, then you chose to request a refund for the deal, which AGAIN outlined what the outcome of the refund would be, and then when Blizzard conduct themselves entirely in accordance with the agreement YOU made with them, they still give you further warnings of what will happen. Then afterwards, you cry "damn sneaky blizzard and their dishonest business practices!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Which is quite shady. As shady as many other of blizzards habits when it is about monetization.
    Shady? its CLEARLY EXPLAINED at the time of purchase, AND at the time of refund. This is 100% a "you" problem. Its honestly that simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Thats not 70+ maps, thats X number of maps with different item locations. This isnt hard to understand. Im not even saying thats a BAD thing, im just being realistic. Moving a few things around an existing map is totally fine, especially moving things like spawns, that can create some cool, new gameplay options. But anyone expecting 70+ genuinely unique maps is going to be very disappointed.
    "These are all the same map"
    lol ok mate.
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  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "These are all the same map"
    lol ok mate.
    Quote where i said they are all the same map. If you cant, take the L and move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  9. #169
    Soooo Tom got removed from WoW for this?

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Well, except that little part where they forgot to revert the character boost, which was part of the purchase. And where they locked the character you played for years.

    So you say it is possibly better not to make deals with blizzard? As there always couild be that "jack-in-the-box"-effect?

    No, at that time they did not tell the customers anything about the consequence of a locked char when you did a refund for the expac purchase with the character boost. They added that later. After a few upset customers.

    and some not mentioned, unfortunately

    .
    No, this is all crap - You are just openly telling lies and hoping someone believes them. But I hate to tell you this, but even my most hated enemy would tell you you are wrong here. If you think Blizzard sticking to the terms of the agreement you make with them is a reason to not to business with them, i hate to think who you WOULD do business with. Honestly, read that shit back - "blizzard stuck to the terms of the agreement" - you: "so youre saying its best not to do business with Blizzard?" like holy shit dude. Just holy shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Yep, that is how Blizzard always does it. They call every unhappy customer a "you" problem.
    Im not Blizzard.....wtf?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    No, i simply argued that it is possibly better to not accept a similar deal with them if they simply were not able to revert the deal fully if needed. My personal consequence from this is to always double check on everything they say and never prepurchase any of their products anymore. And i really suggest others should not do that as well. Only buy the product if you are sure it is what you are looking for, and do not get hyped from the lip services of questionable elitist jerks that work for them. Wait until beta is over. And check what the beta testers have to say. Do not be a fan of that shady company. Be a critical customer. That is the simple rule of thumb here.
    I encourage everyone to always fully understand the agreements they are accepting, if it takes them once, twice, or 10 times reading it. If you didnt fully understand the VERY CLEARLY OUTLINED terms and conditions of the agreement, you should not have accepted it. Typically, "change of mind" refunds are not accepted at all, so they are (generally speaking) going above and beyond the law and granting customers a refund they are not always legally entitled to. Again, this depends on location and law, but typically, anything consumable (entertainment included) is non-refundable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Oh yeah i am sure they did not add a component which makes a refund impossible in the end. No, that is nothing Blizzard would do
    Well you can of course assume it was all a scheme. I've heard pandemic was supposedly a scheme, vaccines are a scheme, schemes everywhere, so maybe your character being blocked was also a scheme? In this time and age, you just never know.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    snip.

    Overeating has split up more families then wow has. Thats a fact that we can actually find through studies. While gaming addiction is a real thing - just like poker, overeating, sex addiction and so forth - its not the fault of the games, the poker, the food or the sex. Some humans just have tendencies towards addiction - and it can really be most things that produce happy hormones.

    in this context, classifying wow as worse then any other thing that can bring joy is sort of odd - since you have no evidence supporting it. Just like with the greg street thing and the wow paying raid guilds thing.

    Its all just insinuation and conspiracy theories at this point mate. If you want people to believe you, you need to back up your theories with something tangible.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    In europe, you can revert every purchase within 14 days nowadays. No matter which tricks blizzard tries. If you live in europe, and accidently did purchase one of blizzards products, you have every right to give it back. Something like that should exist in america as well.
    Go buy a cake and eat it. Right now, go and watch a movie. Go and pay for and complete 30 laps at a gokart track, and then ask for a refund because you changed your mind. link me the law, right now, that supports that.

    Now, if you paid for a carrot cake and got choc, fine. If the movie claimed to be 3 hours long, and about batman, but was actually 15 minutes and about beer, youll be fine. If the gokart track claimed to be 1.3km long with 50hp karts but was actually 300m long and peddle karts, fine. But "bro i didnt have as much fun as i thought i would, can i have my money back now that i have consumed the product?" yeah........nah.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Guyviroth View Post
    12 hours wait time? You can skip with 50 gems! Buy a pack of 100 gems for £4.99
    Isn't it more like "You can skip with 50 gems ! Buy a pack of 40 gems for 4.99" ?

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Isn't it more like "You can skip with 50 gems ! Buy a pack of 40 gems for 4.99" ?
    hahaha, i dont HATE mtx in general, but holy shit that winds me up. the worst i have seen is gems sold in 500, 1500, 2500, 5000. Items / Outfits cost 1515, 2600, 5550 (WTF!) etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    So you still doubt they intentionally added the character boost to make their expac product unrefundable by law? And you still doubt it was a trick?

    Ok then.
    The expansion was refundable by law, and was refunded. What are you even talking about? Do you even know?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    I do not assume any scheme. Just ask yourself if blizzard did not really plan how they monetize their token, for example. And why the new crafting system has that new work order auction house where you literally could put millions of gold into.
    But no, i am sure there is no plan. It just .. happened.
    Like many people with the tendency to see schemes everywhere, you have limited capability of distinguishing causation and correlation.
    I do not ask myself silly questions like that, because I have zero reliable data to answer it. Therefore it is pointless to ask them. From a customer point of view, it can either: A) bother me or B) not bother me; and I can A) still pay for the product or B) stop paying for the product.

    Now when it comes to the conspiracy theories if Blizzard does those things or purpose or not, that I will leave to you. Like many people with the tendency to see schemes everywhere, you also have this other amazing quality - this never ceasing determination to inform everyone around about your brilliant discovieries, so you will surely let me know. It's a win-win. You can track the schemes for me, and I can sleep more soundly, knowing that there is this cantrip guy doing the dirty work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Which is why we create laws.
    which has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said. laws are created because you can't just ask a company to act kindly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Really sad to read what WoW and its community made you like. Probably you will discover one day there is more than "natural selection". I mean, if you play WoW all day you probably get the impression it is all about being selected and being not taken in parties only because you have a lower ilevel. But hey, believe me, even if WoW is a bad example, life is much different than that. Play a bit less toxic games, will you?
    this has nothing to do with wow, but with life. I was like you then I grew up as an adult. I urge you to do the same. life isn't a game, life is reality. the first step is to accept our nature, in order to get better. we have a lot of work to do.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    I am in my 60s. You can get old without thinking everyone is an asshole. Just focus on criticizing those who really are assholes.

    Many, if not most of the people i met in my life are nice people. People who have families. People with friends. Fun in their life. Who have a job. Who love to share joy with others. Who try to get rid of misery, also for others. Who help others. Who accept help. That is what normal people are. And not the assholes that sell skinner boxes with credit card prompts to little childs.

    There are nice people in real life. I feel bad for you if you never met them.
    I can't believe anyone so advanced in age would go on personal crusade agains the game/company on internet forums.

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    Just tuning back in and holy fuck cantrip is high on copium today, more than usual.

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