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    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    Um....yes. It's toxic.

    If someone berates my lack of skill or knowledge of the game, I will wear that like a badge of honor. While they were wasting their life learning a useless skill like being good in a video game, I went to school, got my Masters, live in a house that is worth (currently) 600k, and is paid off, and make 6 figures.

    Yeah. I suck, but at least I didn't waste years of my life learning a useless skill like trying to understand if Arcane is better than Fire.
    It's funny how you believe both of those two situations (being good at games and having higher education/a well-paying job) are somehow mutually exclusive.
    Last edited by Ielenia; 2022-05-06 at 12:00 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons and as a last, drastic measure.
    Oof...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Why would anyone say they'd pay the higher amounts?
    I think it's fully reasonable for the sub cost, in the US, to be 20-25 dollars.

    People don't realize that over the past 20+ years, the price of games (and the WoW sub) has stayed relatively the same, and has never increased relative to inflation.

    How else are companies going to recoup these losses? The gamer crowd is largely too stupid to understand inflation, or any of this really, so instead of just flat increasing the price of the game or subscription, we get pay2win, loot boxes, micro-transactions and other money making schemes that turn games into trash.
    Last edited by ablib; 2022-05-06 at 12:03 AM.

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    I'm sure this will go well and not have any downsides at all........nope........New World says hello.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalarm View Post
    I find it odd there's no boost. I thought they had become kinda standard with new expansions :-/
    I'm guessing it's because evoker starts at level 58, which is essentially a boost by the time you finish the starting experience at 60. If you're not interested in evoker, then I guess you're just out of luck though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    How else are companies going to recoup these losses?
    There are no losses, only less profit...
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by wombinator04 View Post
    I'm sure this will go well and not have any downsides at all........nope........New World says hello.
    I'm sure New World is SCREAMING hello, too bad no one hears it LMAO.

  7. #27
    Confirmation that there won't be an art book included with the top edition? Base edition for me then.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    It's funny how you believe both of those two situations (being good at games and having higher education/a well-paying job) are somehow mutually exclusive.
    I don't. I didn't say that. I'm good at the game, and I have a well paying job.

  9. #29
    While in Azeroth, do your best to:
    • Connect with other players and make friends! Being courteous in group content can help you and your teammates have the best time possible. Sending a friendly hello message can help set your group up for success.
    • Play as a team with your fellow players - whether in dungeons, raids, battlegrounds, arenas, or out questing in the world. Do your best to support your team through your communication and behaviors so that you can all celebrate your success together.
    • Assist other players that you encounter in the world. Maybe they need some help defeating a tough monster, or maybe they could use a little healing!
    • Help answer questions others have in chat channels like General or Trade. We were all newbies once - one person offering some help can go a long way!
    Even though for years the dev's have reduced the need to group for content to a point where most players don't even say hi anymore.
    LFR and LFD cut the guts out of social play.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    I think it's fully reasonable for the sub cost, in the US, to be 20-25 dollars.

    People don't realize that over the past 20+ years, the price of games (and the WoW sub) has stayed relatively the same, and has never increased relative to inflation.

    How else are companies going to recoup these losses? The gamer crowd is largely too stupid to understand inflation, or any of this really, so instead of just flat increasing the price of the game or subscription, we get pay2win, loot boxes, micro-transactions and other money making schemes that turn games into trash.
    You're flat out off your rocker if you think a sub should cost 25 dollars.

  11. #31
    I get we have inflation, but after we got only 2 major patches and 8 month seasons they shouldn't even consider increasing box price.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walkerbo View Post
    Even though for years the dev's have reduced the need to group for content to a point where most players don't even say hi anymore.
    LFR and LFD cut the guts out of social play.
    Sounds like you have no idea what happened in game last 8 years. Since WoD LFD/LFR is irrelevant (LFD only useful for leveling) and literally only for people that want to see content. Killing boars in most recent endgame zone gives better loot than LFR.
    Last edited by Dracullus; 2022-05-06 at 12:08 AM.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    I think it's fully reasonable for the sub cost, in the US, to be 20-25 dollars.

    People don't realize that over the past 20+ years, the price of games (and the WoW sub) has stayed relatively the same, and has never increased relative to inflation.

    How else are companies going to recoup these losses? The gamer crowd is largely too stupid to understand inflation, or any of this really, so instead of just flat increasing the price of the game or subscription, we get pay2win, loot boxes, micro-transactions and other money making schemes that turn games into trash.
    Ok. So you don't think that even if they raise the sub they're still going to put in loot boxes, micro-transactions and other money making schemes that turn games into trash? Corporations are NOT your friends. They'll keep taking what you give them then blame you if you complain.

    Please stop.

  13. #33
    Do all employees have to agree to this before entering the building?
    Yes. Every major company has a code of conduct that you must agree to.
    Pretty sure the contracts employees had to sign and the new employee orientations explained that sexual harassment was a no no, yet trash acts like trash.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    Um....yes. It's toxic.

    If someone berates my lack of skill or knowledge of the game, I will wear that like a badge of honor. While they were wasting their life learning a useless skill like being good in a video game, I went to school, got my Masters, live in a house that is worth (currently) 600k, and is paid off, and make 6 figures.

    Yeah. I suck, but at least I didn't waste years of my life learning a useless skill like trying to understand if Arcane is better than Fire.
    I'll take "Things That Never Happened" for $500, Alex.

  15. #35
    Who's actually going to respond to this and say "yeah, charge me as much as you can, dudezzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"? Are there actually people out there who are that stupid?

    Besides which, Microsoft is buying them. They don't need the money. Lower the price of the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    I don't. I didn't say that. I'm good at the game, and I have a well paying job.
    Your post heavily implies that the reason they are "good at the game" is because they "waste all their time playing the game" while you were getting a higher education instead of learning a "useless skill like being good in a video game".

    Your post literally says that they are good (i.e. better than you) because they are no-lifers with no education, while you're not as good because you have a higher education and better job than them.

    Which is why I'm calling you out for believing both situations are mutually exclusive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons and as a last, drastic measure.
    Oof...

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Sounds like you have no idea what happened in game last 8 years. Since WoD LFD/LFR is irrelevant (LFD only useful for leveling) and literally only for people that want to see content. Killing boars in most recent endgame zone gives better loot than LFR.
    I said nothing about loot.

    In BC I had to make friends and group for content, I had my server wide reputation to not be an asshat or I would not get groups.
    Even grouping to help others kill a rare and complete quest in the outside world ensured your reputation mattered.

    Now it is so easy for players to simply click a button to enter a raid, say nothing and bail when ever they want, this is where the loss of server identity began.
    Just check the number of thread where players are saying that they keep getting their keys burnt by someone leaving half way through.

    It got so bad that in WoD there was no need to talk to anyone as you could sit in your garrison and be fully self sufficient in terms of professions.

    All these things led to player isolation and this falls fairly and squarely onto the devs shoulders, so I find it funny that they want to have players sign a "social contract" to encourage group play when they were the ones that isolated players in the first place.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    Yes. Every major company has a code of conduct that you must agree to.
    Then why aren't they being held accountable?

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomesized View Post
    Confirmation that there won't be an art book included with the top edition? Base edition for me then.
    You're thinking of collectors edition, which will be $100+
    Which like last time u can upgrade to and blizzard will refund the difference later as Battle.net bucks

  20. #40
    Thus far there's nothing to show those contracts are enforceable. Specifically because if you decline - you don't get your money back.
    I'm not a lawyer but so far the few times I've read cases where people took companies to civil court - the individual won their (small amount of) money back.

    Now if they offered an immediate refund if you denied that "contract" then that would be a different thing entirely.

    It's the same reason AutoDESK last their case many years ago... you don't get to 'just' say it's a license and then so "say long suckers" if they decline.

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