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    Patch 9.2 Hotfixes - May 9, More Dragonflight Professions Feedback

    Patch 9.2 Hotfixes - May 9, 2022
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Dungeons and Raids
    • Sepulcher of the First Ones
      • The Jailer
        • [With realm restarts] All trapdoors close in Phase 3 on Normal and Raid Finder difficulties.
        • [With realm restarts] Decreased knockback of Decimator on Normal and Raid Finder difficulties.
        • [With realm restarts] Decreased knockback of Misery on Normal difficulty.
        • [With realm restarts] Decreased rate of growth of Defile on Normal difficulty.

    Items and Rewards
    • The Antecedent Drape is now properly eligible for conversion at the Creation Catalyst.

    Player vs Player
    • [With realm restarts] The Conquest and Valor caps has been removed.

    Burning Crusade Classic
    • Dungeons and Raids
      • Black Temple
        • [With realm restarts] Defeating the Shade of Akama encounter will unlock the door to the Den of Mortal Delights.

    More Dragonflight Professions Feedback
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    I hope you all had a great weekend! Here are some more specific answers to questions since my last post:

    Sorry, in general I just wanted to note that optional reagents can raise or lower difficulty, depending on their effect on the recipe.

    Ah ok! Are these effects similar in nature to the new ones we’ve seen added in 9.2 where you can add combat effects to gear?

    Philosophically, we like how optional reagents give lots of different ways to customize crafted gear. We will be trying out various types of optional reagents to see how they feel, so nothing set in stone yet, but I will say we like the way the 9.2 optional reagents let you do something a little more custom with your gear than just set their stats or modify item level.

    So Inspiration will be another secondary stat? or is it a tertiary stat?

    IIRC from the DF announcement, they’re not part of regular gear and is only found on profession gear, so I assume it’s sort of like a primary or a secondary stat, but only found on profession gear. (and enchants, consumables, etc. as was pointed out!)

    Just to confirm, Halite is correct. Profession stats are not part of regular gear, but exist on profession gear and in other areas of the profession system. To clarify further, we’ve been thinking of your profession “skill” (e.g. blacksmithing skill) as your profession “primary stat” and these other stats, such as inspiration, as your profession “secondary stats”.

    Speaking of cross profession interaction. Is there any possibility of increasing the number of professions that can be learned by 1 character?
    We recognize that lots of people see value in increasing the number of professions learned by a single player, and it’s something we have definitely discussed. Currently we have no plans to expand this number though. For Dragonflight we are adding significant amounts of new depth and gameplay to professions, so also increasing the number of professions that you can learn on a character at the same time could be a recipe for potentially being overwhelming.

    We’d like to see how it feels with these deeper professions. After Dragonflight we all (developers and players alike) might feel very different about multiple professions, as this is going to be an all new experience!

    Are there any changes to how the DMF crafting quests work with this? Because I can see these as being potentially interesting (albeit time-specific) specialization options in this system. Or will these remain simple +5 base skillpoints?
    Very cool idea! We’re definitely looking at older sources of skill, skill points, and other profession interactions to figure out how we might want to update them in Dragonflight. The main focus is definitely on Dragonflight professions, but something like updating that DMF quest could go very well with the overall update!

    The huge focus on group content here worries me. There are a lot of us who don’t do group content for many many reasons. I have a whole thread about it. Professions are one way to really engage, develop a character, and be a part of the WoW world, without the group content. It can be a fantastic alternate path to an “end game” for some people.

    Exactly. Please be sure that crafters can still do max level crafting with the mats others bring to them, even if they don’t do group content themselves.

    I want to be able to use that huge 17 year list of tailoring patterns for others. I also want to be able to really focus on my profs vs group content as a viable long term activity.

    Will that be possible or will crafting skill on my end be locked behind group content like in Legion?

    Im not sure if Im remeber correctly but couldnt you get all the profession stuff from LFG or the AH?

    I really really really don’t do group content. Especially not LFG with strangers.

    Thank you for your questions Mirasol. This is a tricky needle to thread (insert tailoring joke here) as we want to reward players for doing group content. Instances are a major part of the game, and professions are meant to span pretty much every part of it. We also recognize that, as you say, professions are a great place for those less interested in group content to find a lot of gameplay.

    Given that, one of our general goals for professions is that a player can be very successful without needing to set foot in an instance. We recognize that just because you want to craft the dragon head into an epic helmet, you don’t necessarily want to be the one to slay that dragon. Those are two very distinct fantasies and splitting those activities has a great deal of value. This is particularly because we want you to be able to think of yourself first and foremost as a scribe, a leatheworker, or any other profession. For some players ideally, their professions should be able to be the most important part of their identity, and where they can choose to spend the majority of their energy!

    Given that, we are discussing how to achieve both the goals of having group content being rewarding to a player with professions, and avoiding it being required to be successful in your profession.

    You will absolutely be able to max your professions’ skills, and very successfully specialize without setting foot in an instance in Dragonflight. The vast majority of recipes will continue to be acquirable through outside play as well. It is possible though, that some recipes will come from dungeons or raid. These are great places thematically to acquire some recipes, and become a cool reward for doing that content. That said, we are currently thinking that perhaps many, if not all of these recipes will not be soulbound, so you could ask someone to go into an instance to get them for you, or buy them off the AH.
    Will guilds have dedicated crafters that don’t even raid with them, but are there fulfilling the fantasy and role of crafting awesome gear for their guild? We don’t know, but that would certainly be neat!

    Anyway, I hope that answers your question in a way that is satisfactory!
    Last edited by Stoy; 2022-05-10 at 03:11 AM.

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    Why is there no post like this from Blizzard about WotLK Classic Random Dungeon Finder? There sure has been a lot of feedback.

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    I really really really don’t do group content
    imagine playing an MMO and trying to dodge the multiplayer part like neo...


    edit: before there's more confusion what i'm talking about:

    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Multiplayer does not HAVE to mean “instanced”. You can group for open world rares/bosses too (that’s what I do for example) or for difficult quests.

    Multiplayer simply means “do stuff with other players”.
    that's a-ok, just don't expect all the best rewards to be available outside of that type of content, when it's the primary focus of the genre. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Last edited by Flaim; 2022-05-10 at 11:03 AM.

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    Oooof these novel-length responses about professions scare me.

    Don't get me wrong, I love feedback exchanges and dev communication, but the way this looks, professions are slowly becoming the center feature of DF. And that is VERY worrisome.

    Maybe it's just pre-Alpha bias and distortion. Let's hope so.

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    I really really really don’t do group content. Especially not LFG with strangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaim View Post
    imagine playing an MMO and trying to dodge the multiplayer part like neo...
    Multiplayer does not HAVE to mean “instanced”. You can group for open world rares/bosses too (that’s what I do for example) or for difficult quests.

    Multiplayer simply means “do stuff with other players”.

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    Will guilds have dedicated crafters that don’t even raid with them, but are there fulfilling the fantasy and role of crafting awesome gear for their guild? We don’t know, but that would certainly be neat!
    Puzzling to me why they don't know, they should know because they are the ones to design the systems. If crafting is lucrative and more time spent rewards better recipes/outcomes then yes, people would be crafters first and foremost and guilds would hire dedicated crafters so their raiders can focus on the raiding and less on crafting. It's also a way to increase your playerbase without any risk, raiders play the game because they want to raid. And people that only craft play your game because your game fulfills this desire. Instead of enabling those players to enjoy and play your game you will just answer with "IDK, we will see, XD" then you deserve all the playerbase decline you get. I know it's just a CM answering, but if the design team thinks even remotely the same, it's very worrisome. Overhauling crafting is a good thing, but again they seem to lack any vision or goal.
    Last edited by Qnubi; 2022-05-10 at 08:52 AM.

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    Maybe I missed something. What is Inspiration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Oooof these novel-length responses about professions scare me.

    Don't get me wrong, I love feedback exchanges and dev communication, but the way this looks, professions are slowly becoming the center feature of DF. And that is VERY worrisome.

    Maybe it's just pre-Alpha bias and distortion. Let's hope so.
    Its the only way to dodge these retarded questions.

    "I play a MMO thats based in instanced dungeons and raid and i hate grouping up, so make professions give me instanced content gear without entering them" but the dev cant answer "What the fucking fuck", so a wall of text of "confusing" shit, that basically says "We will see what we can do" and its probably gonna end up in multi-month long farm to get 1 item like every other mmo does and apparently these weirdos like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    Puzzling to me why they don't know, they should know because they are the ones to design the systems. If crafting is lucrative and more time spent rewards better recipes/outcomes then yes, people would be crafters first and foremost and guilds would hire dedicated crafters so their raiders can focus on the raiding and less on crafting. It's also a way to increase your playerbase without any risk, raiders play the game because they want to raid. And people that only craft play your game because your game fulfills this desire. Instead of enabling those players to enjoy and play your game you will just answer with "IDK, we will see, XD" then you deserve all the playerbase decline you get. I know it's just a CM answering, but if the design team thinks even remotely the same, it's very worrisome. Overhauling crafting is a good thing, but again they seem to lack any vision or goal.
    I mean, what kind of answer were you expecting? They're experimenting with a new system, do you want them to hypothesize every possible outcome of how players may interpret the system? I'm sure they could but considering people are already bitching about the "worrisome" length of these posts, I doubt many would either a.) read it or b.) even care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Multiplayer does not HAVE to mean “instanced”. You can group for open world rares/bosses too (that’s what I do for example) or for difficult quests.

    Multiplayer simply means “do stuff with other players”.
    that's a-ok, just don't expect all the best rewards to be available outside of that type of content, when it's the primary focus of the genre. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaim View Post
    that's a-ok, just don't expect all the best rewards to be available outside of that type of content, when it's the primary focus of the genre. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    I just wanted to point out that “avoiding triad” does not mean “avoid multiplayer activities like Neo”.

    Open world is multiplayer also. Easier? Probably, but again it’s multiplayer 100% if you want.

    The people who asked questions that the blue dude answered didn’t want to do the triad content, not multiplayer in general.

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    Good, this is what I was expecting back in TBC when it came to fleshed out professions not requiring raiding with a bunch of degenerates to be able to craft high end items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaim View Post
    imagine playing an MMO and trying to dodge the multiplayer part like neo...
    You'd be surprised how many make their own fun just chatting and roleplaying in the open world.
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    When the expansion is attempting to revert to a traditional state of WoW where there's no borrowed power, how is this "VERY worrisome"? In vanilla for instance, what did you do end-game when you finally reached max level? Dungeon spam for preBiS, attunement quests (which can be part of dungeon spamming), and finally raiding. In between and after raiding times, you would work on your professions, pvp, or farm dungeons for gold.

    Not talking about Classic where everybody just buys boosts, gold, and join GDKP and SR runs. I'm pretty sure they're good with raid/dungeon design. Whereas, professions have taken MANY..MANY forms over the years.

    It needs the spotlight if we want to go back to that traditional state of WoW. The revamped talent system isn't ready to be shipped yet for consumer eyes, otherwise we would have already seen it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Oooof these novel-length responses about professions scare me.

    Don't get me wrong, I love feedback exchanges and dev communication, but the way this looks, professions are slowly becoming the center feature of DF. And that is VERY worrisome.

    Maybe it's just pre-Alpha bias and distortion. Let's hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebster View Post
    Why is there no post like this from Blizzard about WotLK Classic Random Dungeon Finder? There sure has been a lot of feedback.
    because they know best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    You'd be surprised how many make their own fun just chatting and roleplaying in the open world.
    Yep, I'm one of them. Other than RP, the only group content I do is open world rares, and I'm completely content with that. And AH trading, which is also a multiplayer aspect of the game.

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    I am pretty sure no one would be overwhelmed if at least gathering professions were universal to all characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    You'd be surprised how many make their own fun just chatting and roleplaying in the open world.
    That’s usually not the sweaty crying that they don’t have the best ilvl tho. There’s just a strong dissonance between having their own fun only playing solo while wanting to have the best rewards in the game.

    That’s just not how video games of any type work, or any games, or any activities really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    That’s usually not the sweaty crying that they don’t have the best ilvl tho. There’s just a strong dissonance between having their own fun only playing solo while wanting to have the best rewards in the game.

    That’s just not how video games of any type work, or any games, or any activities really.
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