Creation Catalyst Recharge Lowered, Magisters' Terrace Lockout Hotfix

[Palapop]

PVP vendors are in the game right now…
PVE never sold a full gear

PvP vendors now are NOTHING compared to pre-legion pvp vendors.
Still good move, but faaaaar from ideal.


Pve vendors were also more than fine. Some of them used to sell 2-3 tier pieces. And other raid-ilvl off sets.

[neik]

Grind your hearts out because it's the time in season when the valor cap gets lifted.

Go get some!

[Mendzia]

artifical timegated content?
its literally not supposed to be timegating, its a fucking catchup mechanic my dude...

Catchup mechanic... to timegated content, yes. It is exactly that.
BTW: is there ANYTHING that they do that you will be ever be against/sceptic/not liking?

The word "time gate" gets thrown around with such impunity these days that it's lost all meaning.

"Greedy Blizzard doesn't let me have full Mythic BiS two days after the patch launches... fucking time gating!"

How can you name something that can be easily put to EVERYONE and do when YOU want it... and not artificially shifted in time to future?

[Relapses]

How can you name something that can be easily put to EVERYONE and do when YOU want it... and not artificially shifted in time to future?

Psst... it's not artificial if it's designed that way intentionally. You don't have to play a MMO if you don't want to experience time gating. There are plenty of other game which provide instant gratification. On top of this, there's the very real fact that MMO players tend to do all sorts of degenerate bullshit when things aren't time gated (see: AP grinding in early Legion) so to an extent it exists to save players from themselves. That's not to say all time gating is good or that I fully accept every time gate Blizzard puts into the game, just that it isn't always done with the type of malicious intent that players like to imply it is.

[FelPlague]

Catchup mechanic... to timegated content, yes. It is exactly that.
BTW: is there ANYTHING that they do that you will be ever be against/sceptic/not liking?

again in what world is this literally content?

"Wow blizzard is fucking timegating content by having weekly raid lockouts this is fucking bullshit!!!!"

and yeah there is fucking countless stuff i dont like, but holy fuck you are complaining about a CATCHUP SYSTEM not being in day 1 and unlimited?

Man i know its a meme but
"I want blizzard to mail me full BIS gear the second i log in, anything else is bullshit timegating"

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How can you name something that can be easily put to EVERYONE and do when YOU want it... and not artificially shifted in time to future?

can you reword this sentence as none of it makes sense, i dont know what you are asking?

[Dioporco]

Insane how people keep insisting these things be available day 1....for reasons... god forbid you actually get loot the intended way and they actually give something that gives a bit of bad luck protection and *shocker* people still complain and demand it not have a cooldown etc. The valor thing should have come sooner perhaps by a week or 2, not week 1. Catalyst is fine as is.

Day 1 =\= First Week of Mythic

Learn to read, if english isnt your primary language idc isnt even mine.


Yeah GOD FORBID THAT PEOPLE WAITED almost 3 weeks to see Catalyst ingame + 4 week max to get 4pc of tier set.


Uncapped Valor makes people do more M+ and not wasting time wondering which piece to upgrade or whatever, there is not a proper logic counterargument about uncapped valor since week 1

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You don't have to play THIS MMO if you don't want to experience time gating. There are plenty of other MMO which provide instant gratification.

idd /10char

[cparle87]

It does not matter if they say this or not as it is always that way with every single system they introduce.
Just confirms that it is artificial and dogshit timegated 'content' just to annoy people and let them do stuff that later will be loosen.

Everything is always at its toughest or longest to achieve when it first comes out and is gradually nerfed. That's always been a thing. Why act like you're surprised?

[Dioporco]

Everything is always at its toughest or longest to achieve when it first comes out and is gradually nerfed. That's always been a thing. Why act like you're surprised?

toughest/longest =\= timegated


It is long to achieve all 4pc 278? sure because you need to get 278 from GV.


BUT


if catalyst has 7 days CD and isnt there on launch or mythic week, that is timegated and on top of begin already long by itself is dogshit.

[cparle87]

i know... but not neck, cloak, rings, trinkets or weapons

Because those don't give appearances. Tier pieces become tier. Off pieces like cloaks, belts etc have their appearances changed to match your class's tier set. That's the only way to complete the looks cause they don't drop from raids. The CC was never meant for jewelry and trinkets. What would you propose it would even do to them?

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toughest/longest =\= timegated


It is long to achieve all 4pc 278? sure because you need to get 278 from GV.


BUT


if catalyst has 7 days CD and isnt there on launch or mythic week, that is timegated and on top of begin already long by itself is dogshit.

I never said it wasn't timegated, stop strawmanning. I said things always take the most time to get at the beginning and are gradually made easier. This is not a new concept. And they said from the beginning the CC would speed up.

[Dioporco]

I never said it wasn't timegated, stop strawmanning. I said things always take the most time to get at the beginning and are gradually made easier. This is not a new concept. And they said from the beginning the CC would speed up.

you replied to a "timegating" rant hence your reply was about it and you are mixing timegating with long/though which is wrong.




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Timegating Player Power is always terrible and we saw how people flew away from the game these months.



Timegating Content like Sunwell Isle that gets done in 2/3 weeks at worse is fine.

[Revamp Man]

It does not matter if they say this or not as it is always that way with every single system they introduce.
Just confirms that it is artificial and dogshit timegated 'content' just to annoy people and let them do stuff that later will be loosen.

So because you were wrong about it suddenly becoming a thing it's dog shit time gated content

Touch grass dude

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i know... but not neck, cloak, rings, trinkets or weapons

Fairly certain cloaks are included but I also haven't touched it since the second week

[Eapoe]

Day 1 =\= First Week of Mythic

Learn to read, if english isnt your primary language idc isnt even mine.


Yeah GOD FORBID THAT PEOPLE WAITED almost 3 weeks to see Catalyst ingame + 4 week max to get 4pc of tier set.


Uncapped Valor makes people do more M+ and not wasting time wondering which piece to upgrade or whatever, there is not a proper logic counterargument about uncapped valor since week 1

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idd /10char

Nonstop m+ farming making heroic raid completely irrelevant as you could be full 272 ilvl before even entering mythic raiding.
As Relapses also pointed out, it saves the player from themselves, such as we saw endless AP farming at the start of Legion.

[cparle87]

you replied to a "timegating" rant hence your reply was about it and you are mixing timegating with long/though which is wrong.




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Timegating Player Power is always terrible and we saw how people flew away from the game these months.



Timegating Content like Sunwell Isle that gets done in 2/3 weeks at worse is fine.

I don't consider having something set on a specific schedule and then gradually made faster to be timegating.

And all the rest of your comment is your opinion proclaimed as fact backed up with unsubstantiated claimed.

[Ealyssa]

PvP vendors now are NOTHING compared to pre-legion pvp vendors.

They are actually the same. You do PVP, you buy gear in exange. Bonus is you also get to choose a free piece in your vault on top of that.

Pve vendors were also more than fine.

They were garbage. Either only selling a few pieces or overpowered shit rending the whole game useless.
The catalyst allow anyone to get a full set without putting a foot in the raid which no vendors ever did. It's just a far better system, that let people work toward a tangible goal at the level of play they feel is right for them (you can get the set from ZM open world ilvl to 278, it's up to anyone to choose).

[Dioporco]

Nonstop m+ farming making heroic raid completely irrelevant as you could be full 272 ilvl before even entering mythic raiding.
As Relapses also pointed out, it saves the player from themselves, such as we saw endless AP farming at the start of Legion.

Non stop m+ farming with valor cap making you full 262 making HC and normal completely irrelevant due to 265 itm lvl and 272 for the last 2 bosses. same logic.


also entering 272 while the avg itm lvl is 278 in mythic should be a problem?

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I don't consider having something set on a specific schedule and then gradually made faster to be timegating.

literally the definition of timegating.

[cparle87]

Non stop m+ farming with valor cap making you full 262 making HC and normal completely irrelevant due to 265 itm lvl and 272 for the last 2 bosses. same logic.


also entering 272 while the avg itm lvl is 278 in mythic should be a problem?

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literally the definition of timegating.

I mean the "it happens at a certain rate and then it slowly gets made faster" part. Everyone keeps missing that.

[Dioporco]

I mean the "it happens at a certain rate and then it slowly gets made faster" part. Everyone keeps missing that.

Which i repeat, is the definition of timegating.


Catalyst Forge is a Timegated.

Unity Belt is a Timegated.

Flying on PTR was Timegated, now it isnt really because even if you didnt play the campaign back then you can do rn in 1 day.




"made faster" doesnt really matter? unless the feedback from the player is that, they are forced to fix it like they did, it is still timegated.



The issue is that 90% of timegated stuff we have in wow makes no sense and it is the major reason why people left

[cparle87]

Which i repeat, is the definition of timegating.


Catalyst Forge is a Timegated.

Unity Belt is a Timegated.

Flying on PTR was Timegated, now it isnt really because even if you didnt play the campaign back then you can do rn in 1 day.




"made faster" doesnt really matter? unless the feedback from the player is that, they are forced to fix it like they did, it is still timegated.



The issue is that 90% of timegated stuff we have in wow makes no sense and it is the major reason why people left

Ok, last time before I'm done since you seem to be completely ignoring what I'm saying in favor of what you want me to be saying.

The original guy was complaining the system was bad, like Blizzard say how people were annoyed how long it took and decided to hotfix it in response to player criticism. Except this is wrong. They planned to nerf it and make it recharge faster from the beginning. If you're not responding to the point I just made here, don't bother responding.

[ohwell]

Day 1 =\= First Week of Mythic

Learn to read, if english isnt your primary language idc isnt even mine.


Yeah GOD FORBID THAT PEOPLE WAITED almost 3 weeks to see Catalyst ingame + 4 week max to get 4pc of tier set.


Uncapped Valor makes people do more M+ and not wasting time wondering which piece to upgrade or whatever, there is not a proper logic counterargument about uncapped valor since week 1

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idd /10char

Show me where I said you said day 1, but it might as well be day 1 saying mythic. Then again all you seem to be able to do is launch a personal attack rather than give any valid reason to it needing to be open day 1 other than "wahhhh I wanted it". It's a catch up/bad luck protection it doesn't need to be up day 1 or day 21. The opening day was 100% valid.

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Which i repeat, is the definition of timegating.


Catalyst Forge is a Timegated.

Unity Belt is a Timegated.

Flying on PTR was Timegated, now it isnt really because even if you didnt play the campaign back then you can do rn in 1 day.




"made faster" doesnt really matter? unless the feedback from the player is that, they are forced to fix it like they did, it is still timegated.



The issue is that 90% of timegated stuff we have in wow makes no sense and it is the major reason why people left

By your definition any weekly quest, weekly reward etc is timegating as well. Dragonflight is timegated, patches are timegated. Loot is time gated. Nearly everything is timegated by your definition. It stands to reason then that most other things in the game should be when playing a game with so much of it.