Hoofed races can't stealth

[Zardas]

Again, you're missing the point.
If rogues start out at point (A) without magic (just sneaking and stabbing like they did in classic) and have to reach a certain point (B) before they get the ability to use magic to enhance their skills to begin with, then how are Tauren ever going to reach point (B) when their physique prevents them from reaching point (A) to begin with.

I'm not a rogue player so I'm not sure about this, but don't rogue learn stealth almost at level 1 ?

[Calfredd]

Seriously, fuck wow at this point. I'm glad I don't play and now I have no interest in returning.

Bit weird that you are just now throwing a hissy fit that more hooved races can be rogues now when I'm guessing you were fine with satyr rogues.

[jackofwind]

Again, you're missing the point.
If rogues start out at point (A) without magic (just sneaking and stabbing like they did in classic) and have to reach a certain point (B) before they get the ability to use magic to enhance their skills to begin with, then how are Tauren ever going to reach point (B) when their physique prevents them from reaching point (A) to begin with.

You realize that moose are well known for sneaking up on people right? They're fucking huge and walk on hooves.

[Nerovar]

Answer: their physique DOESN'T prevent them from reaching point (A).

That's really what the entire argument boils down to. If you've ever been hunting, you know that a 400+ lbs hoofed animal can absolutely sneak up on you. There's no reason a Tauren couldn't, either, at least not any less than the other races who already can be rogues.

Pretty sure an elephant can technically sneak up on you under certain circumstances. That doesn't mean they're not inherently less sneaky than e.g. a cat and are overall pretty poorly suited for the job.

[jackofwind]

Pretty sure an elephant can technically sneak up on you under certain circumstances. That doesn't mean they're not inherently less sneaky than e.g. a cat and are overall pretty poorly suited for the job.

How is a Tauren inherently less sneaky than an orc with big fuckoff space marine shoulders??

[Biomega]

Pretty sure an elephant can technically sneak up on you under certain circumstances. That doesn't mean they're not inherently less sneaky than e.g. a cat and are overall pretty poorly suited for the job.

Sorry, but a human is ALSO less sneaky than a cat, and seems to do the job just fine.

If you want to make an argument of degrees then come up with some that aren't just "either elephant or cat" which applies to neither humans NOR tauren.

[jackofwind]

Sorry, but a human is ALSO less sneaky than a cat, and seems to do the job just fine.

If you want to make an argument of degrees then come up with some that aren't just "either elephant or cat" which applies to neither humans NOR tauren.

Yeah he's just cherry picking ridiculous scenarios because he knows his argument is nonsense.

[Linkedblade]

No tauren or draenei rogues

That's against the new social contract. It's both racist and ablist for you to assume that tauren and Draenei can't be transpedal.

[Nerovar]

How is a Tauren inherently less sneaky than an orc with big fuckoff space marine shoulders??

Have you ever compared their size or noticed that they can stomp the ground so hard that the thundering of their hooves stuns everything in their vicinity?

Sorry, but a human is ALSO less sneaky than a cat, and seems to do the job just fine.

If you want to make an argument of degrees then come up with some that aren't just "either elephant or cat" which applies to neither humans NOR tauren.

The point is that you don't train someone for a specialized role when they're naturally much less suited than others. There's a reason basketball players tend to be tall and jockeys tend to be more compact. I can't believe that this is a genuine discussion. Are we going to argue if ettins should be rogues next?

[Zankai27]

There's one assassin whose name is a reference to the Assassin's Creed games so I'd take that with a grain of salt. The other one you mentioned uses a bow.

Incorrect.

Rangari Erdaani uses daggers; she's a Rogue follower. There's a *different* Rangari follower who uses a bow.

Erdaani: https://www.wowhead.com/follower=212...it-of-bony-xuk

Rangari Chel, the one you're thinking of: https://www.wowhead.com/follower=185/rangari-chel-lokra

Also, the Assassin being an "Assassin's Creed reference" has no bearing on anything. They could've made that reference plenty of ways. Just admit examples exist and move on.

Either way, it doesn't matter. The people who wanted more race/class combos won in the end. Arguments against are irrelevant now.

[De Lupe]

The point is that you don't train someone for a specialized role when they're naturally much less suited than others. There's a reason basketball players tend to be tall and jockeys tend to be more compact. I can't believe that this is a genuine discussion. Are we going to argue if ettins should be rogues next?

If the Fel Reaver can be stealthy, ANYONE can be stealthy.

[jackofwind]

Have you ever compared their size or noticed that they can stomp the ground so hard that the thundering of their hooves stuns everything in their vicinity?



The point is that you don't train someone for a specialized role when they're naturally much less suited than others. There's a reason basketball players tend to be tall and jockeys tend to be more compact. I can't believe that this is a genuine discussion. Are we going to argue if ettins should be rogues next?

So they can stomp and also sneak. There are already Tauren Rogue NPCs that you're conveniently ignoring.

The player character is a special case, that's established. There have been amazing short basketball players - Muggsy Bogues would like a word. There's no reasonable reason in the context of a game with space demons, magic, ridiculous technology, and impossible races like humanoid cow people that said cow people couldn't train to be sneaky.

This isn't a game set in a realistic world in ANY way. Nothing in Warcraft is supposed to be rooted in realism.

[Biomega]

The point is that you don't train someone for a specialized role when they're naturally much less suited than others.

That's a bit of a truism.

It's a true statement, but it's irrelevant here because for it to matter you'd first have to prove that tauren ARE IN FACT not suited enough to be rogues.

How would you demonstrate that in a world that breaks "real-world" physics and other laws of nature left and right as a matter of course?

[Julian Rayne]

Have you ever compared their size or noticed that they can stomp the ground so hard that the thundering of their hooves stuns everything in their vicinity?

And a lion can roar loud enough to be heard eight km away. They can also sneak up to within a meter of a human without being detected. Stealthing Tauren aren't going to be stomping the ground while they sneak up behind their targets.

[Amaterasu65]

As if people will actually play a Tauren rogue out of all possible Horde races, including UD and BE.

[Cinnamilk]

As if people will actually play a Tauren rogue out of all possible Horde races, including UD and BE.

I mean, I'd do it.

The reason that all of my alts that aren't Tauren is because they can't be, whether that's class or faction restriction.
Otherwise they'd all be fem Tauren.

[Biomega]

As if people will actually play a Tauren rogue out of all possible Horde races, including UD and BE.

If there's anything I'd want to do as a Rogue, it's to stealth up to someone and gently moo into their ear. What else is there to live for?

[Skizzit]

"Look, I know rogues can turn invisible and teleport but walking with hooves and not making noise? No, I am sorry. My immersion is totally broken. Completely unplayable. Worst. Game. Ever."

These people are crazy.

[arkanon]

As if people will actually play a Tauren rogue out of all possible Horde races, including UD and BE.

I would, purely because it would wind people up, apparently. Same reason i have a female dwarf rogue.

[Aedruid]

You get to make those with many other things in the game!

Taurens being stronger than gnomes would mean that every warrior would just play a Tauren. Looking around at a town in Elder Scrolls, realize that every dps magic character is an altmer, and you'll see the issue. Play a bosmer caster and you might not even get invited to some groups

As they should, Gnome Warriors should be weak.