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  1. #221
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    progressive culture invading corporate America, over 20 years of fratboy culture harassment and discrimination resulting in a multi million dollar lawsuit.

    Pick one.
    Premise: it can only be one or the other.
    Hidden premise: it must be progressive culture and there can be no other solution.

    Both premises are incorrect. Neither option is desirable.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    So, no, you're not looking/aren't capable of a healthy discussion on such topics. Cool.
    And there's the loop. Thanks for proving my point.

  3. #223
    lol.

    diversity space method.

    We are to a point where video games cannot just be video games. We gotta take into account everyones feelings, we gotta represent everything, cannot leave anything out. If we don't have a white dude with red hair, or a transgender female with She/They in there title, or a black gay male, someone is upset.

    Thanos was right.

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by ResentfulUK View Post
    I honestly don't see the controversy or concern around this tool. If you throw your characters you're building for a game into this tool and realise because of it that actually the vast majority of your assets are broadly the same, where is the harm in recognising that and adding in more diverse characters?
    I guess some people think rating things like gender, sexuality ,culture and ethnicity numerically is kinda yikers. Liek in that video it would be funny to see the scale they use. What gets you a ten pointer in ethnicity or culture?

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Ah yes, turning representation into a min-max spreadsheet, what could possibly go wrong?

    This is the dumbest possible idea anyone could've come up with.
    Good fucking lord.
    I concur. They turn this thing into a caricature. I can't even.
    Stoopid zoomers have no measure.
    What the hell.

    You can't remove stereotypes from the human mind. You can only learn and teach others to not take them too seriously.
    Stereotypes can also be fun, but alas these youngsters no longer have a sense of humor.
    Poor world.
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  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    The two of you aren’t really saying the same thing
    You’re saying it’s wrong from a moral standpoint because it’s racist and wrong to not hire people for diversity reasons when they meet the qualifications; but, it’s bad to hire them simply for the sake of diversity.
    They’re saying it’s racist and wrong to hire people for diversity reasons even if they meet the qualifications because their skin tone or sex/gender played a part in it, and should only be looked at from a qualification stand point.
    They’re almost similar topics.
    Dude's issue is apparently with my claim of legality on the hiring of candidates based on quotas. There's a Supreme Court ruling on this very subject, though it has since been debated the full merit of the scope of this decision. (ie, is hiring a more diverse qualified candidate an indirect form of hiring quotas?) I imagine that guy just wants to take me to task for speaking passively about the ruling so he can have some kind of "well ackshually..." moment where he pretends my argument is wrong because I wasn't thorough enough the first time I presented it. It's pedantry which is why I don't really care engage with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    I'm actually all about having more diverse characters in games.

    But how the fuck can you score cultures ? Why is Swedish culture deemed lower than Brazilian and Russian (which are equal to blizzard according to the chart) ?
    I feel like they may be looking at the country the culture comes from, rather than how common the culture itself is in media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    Stop pretending like you're a victim buddy. That's exactly the same crap that caused a shooting this week.
    if you are dragging me to that buffalo shit, no, i am in no way encouraging or supporting sick bastards like him. but this doesn't mean that i support woke shit either. you don't have to be x if you do not support y. shocking right ?
    war does not determine who is right, only who is left.

  9. #229
    This is Blizzard being openly racist, sexist, ageist, you name it. Just because they use it for a goal that is in their eyes a good cause, inclusiveness, doesn't make it any less wrong and unlawfull.

    So now what? Being white gives you a 0/10 score and being black a 10/10 score? Meaning being black is superior and white inferior? One is prefered over the other. This is racism at work. People shouldn't be less because they're white. What the actual f*ck.

    Remove this tool from hell and just judge people by their character over any stupid physical trait. It's actually quite scary that people would go this far.

    Activision Blizzard should be taken to court for this shit. This is dangerous. These sort of things are like the stepping stones towards the holocaust. This should end now.

  10. #230
    This entire tool seems counter-productive and complete opposite to what would be considered diverse, inclusive, and non-judgmental.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntermyth View Post
    if you are dragging me to that buffalo shit, no, i am in no way encouraging or supporting sick bastards like him. but this doesn't mean that i support woke shit either. you don't have to be x if you do not support y. shocking right ?
    You were clearly making a joke as well. I don't understand that hostile response either.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    The tool is missing a significant parameter - prevalence.

    If 66 year old black, autistic, gay women represent 0.1% of the community as a whole - then the game should represent them similarly.

    It becomes tokenism when you have 100% of the characters from 2% of the population.
    This has always been the issue with the diversity pushes. They don't represent the demographics of the consumer base at all. If there were 100 characters and less than 1 percent of their base is represented like you said, why even make a character for that? You're actually in a way being discriminatory in the other direction by leaving out a more representative character to get brownie points by putting in something that's unique, though non-representative at those rates.

    "The tool is not being used in active game development"

    Bullshit, why make the article then?

  12. #232
    This is absolutely disgusting. There's a reason why the greatest games of all time were made by homogeneous groups of all asians and homogeneous groups of all whites. You start diluting those and game quality plummets of the wokeness cliff.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    "The tool is not being used in active game development"

    Bullshit, why make the article then?
    To distract from the actual shit they're up to, duh. Can't have people talk about their further attempts at union-busting.

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    This has always been the issue with the diversity pushes. They don't represent the demographics of the consumer base at all. If there were 100 characters and less than 1 percent of their base is represented like you said, why even make a character for that? You're actually in a way being discriminatory in the other direction by leaving out a more representative character to get brownie points by putting in something that's unique, though non-representative at those rates.

    "The tool is not being used in active game development"

    Bullshit, why make the article then?
    Brownies points, and read: ACTIVE game development. Doesn't deny being used for FUTURE game development. Which is sad if they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    This is absolutely disgusting. There's a reason why the greatest games of all time were made by homogeneous groups of all asians and homogeneous groups of all whites. You start diluting those and game quality plummets of the wokeness cliff.
    Please be /s, please be /s.

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    To distract from the actual shit they're up to, duh. Can't have people talk about their further attempts at union-busting.
    Using woke-scolding as a misdirection against something that most people on the left actually support is ... I don't know, it seems almost cartoonishly evil.

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    kekw is the only thing i can say

    the comedy continues

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    The problem with this is it's distracting people to focus on "woke" "SJW" etc. when the problem is more subversive and I shall explain briefly...

    Playing video games has always been under the umbrella of escapism which has always been a problem with video games but by doing this with future video games. As an oversight mechanism for future video games or design systems it is being made to influence you, as the consumer, to see yourself represented in said video game which is just an easier way to normalize escapism and I imagine a LOT of tech companies are doing this right now with the biggest one being Meta aka Facebook. Your reality is engaged in the real world and this is just a bridge to justify escapism as long as you are seeing yourself in the game/tech so it becomes an extension of yourself instead of an outlet to escapism.

    The fact that this whole thing is being tunneled into "diversity" and "inclusivity", to me, is just a wolf in sheep's clothing to distract people because no one wants to know tech companies are trying to make you do video games, social media, etc. more and more and more.

  18. #238
    imagine if they first made their game fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincink View Post
    Premise: it can only be one or the other.
    Hidden premise: it must be progressive culture and there can be no other solution.

    Both premises are incorrect. Neither option is desirable.
    It has to be one or the other because every thing that has come out about blizzard and it’s work Culture is the exact opposite of progressive culture to the point where it could Only be more on the nose if they had mandated MAGA Hats.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    This is the most disgusting thing I've read and heard in a while. This tool completely destroys any artistic choice.

    "Look, a black character, I'm sure he got 7 points in race and culture - that's great" - said no one ever.

    Whenever you see a "non mainstream" character now, you can be certain it's there because it *has* to be there, not because someone thought that it would be interesting, fit or simply because they wanted to design someone different.

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