King's Diversity Space Tool: A Leap Forward for Inclusion in Gaming

[Zoibert the Bear]

Just going to leave this here for a good read. "Midwifery Students Taught How to Care for Males Giving Birth"

This is truly just getting out of hand. I guess we are hitting the great filter sooner than expected.

[NineSpine]

Yeah that’s just called a woman who has reproductive issues. That doesn’t make her a man.

The minority of fringe cases do not make the facts.

“Black people have darker skin”

“Yeah well there was a black person born an albino so I guess he isn’t black”

Christ people

It's almost like arbitrary social categories are flawed and we should be careful about treating them like rules that we have to force people to live by.

You are so, so, so close and don't realize it at all.

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It's definitely happening and being labelled under misgendering. If you haven't seen this, then you haven't been looking for it and gotten lucky to not stumble across it.

I mean, it's sure heading in bad directions. The people implementing these rules are so unhinged that they think portraying a little boy who wants to grow up to be an engineer is a harmful stereotype. Or a little girl who wants to grow up to be a dancer. Or that a guy might not immediately know how to change a diaper. Or that being extremely obese might be a reason you're having problems finding a romantic partner. That showing a guy as being daring and courageous and a girl as loving and caring are topics that need to be "handled with care"

I'm not sure if you fully grasp the complete nonsense that the DEI principles and regulations around them are sinking the world into. Leftists like to compare things to Jim Crow a lot, but DEI is a heck of a lot closer to being the new Jim Crow than anything else in the western political world.

You know the Advertising Standards Authority isn't a government agency, right?

Do you realize how unhinged it is to say "A set of private companies setting up private rules that only apply to themselves is JUST LIKE JIM CROW"? Do you realize how much that shows a complete disregard for the abject suffering Jim Crow inflicted on people? "The company that runs the TV channel wants commercials to be nicer... this is just like laws that led to mass imprisonment of people for being black!" It's pathetic.

[Zoibert the Bear]

It's almost like arbitrary social categories are flawed and we should be careful about treating them like rules that we have to force people to live by.

You are so, so, so close and don't realize it at all.

Having a dick is not a social category. Actually, it seems like it may be at Blizzard, you even get 0 points for it.

[Khaza-R]

I agree with the OW dev. Formulated representation is creepy and backwards af.

[Wekko]

Computers know best. They're better at understanding humanity than humans. Or is it just dictating what humanity is....

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What does it mean to be a human if a computer is our judge?

[NineSpine]

Having a dick is not a social category. Actually, it seems like it may be at Blizzard, you even get 0 points for it.

Man and Woman are social categories, just like racial categories are.

[Elegiac]

Having a dick is not a social category.

It's also not the basis for categorization of male versus female, funnily enough.

Or do you refer to people with dyed hair by their natural color exclusively? Rofl.

[Dr Assbandit]

So are Democrats- and you can get used to that. Btw, i'm an independent. But funny how you think that because someone doesn't agree with your minority left wing world views...that they suddenly get labeled as "right winger" or "conservative". Get out of YOUR echo chamber of wokeness. The world doesn't want what you are trying to force on it.

You're about as independent as I'm conservative lmao. You really should try and make more effort since you aren't really fooling anyone.

And once again you're hilariously misinformed since the world over constantly points and laughs at American conservatives and conservative values. Feel free to take a quick trip through Europe and ask about things you have been crying about on this forum, I don't think your fragile sensibilities will be able to handle the actual truth of the matter rather than the delusions you're operating under .

[Adamas102]

How do the two relate? Why are you making this leap?

We are not making a list of human sub-categories that cannot birth, he just said that men cannot birth.

The poster below you inadvertently made the point for me. It's obviously not about JUST providing a context-less statement. Nobody JUST says "men cannot birth". Anyone spouting this stuff is trying their best to just boil everyone down into nice, little categories to make sure everyone stays in their place with little to no regard for outliers.

[Goatfish]

Say you don't actually know what Jim Crow entailed without saying it.

Sounds like you don't understand them, let's just look at the list of 7 helpful tips that were given to Black people to help them comply with Jim Crow:

Stetson Kennedy, the author of Jim Crow Guide (1990), offered these simple rules that blacks were supposed to observe in conversing with whites:

Never assert or even intimate that a white person is lying.
Never impute dishonorable intentions to a white person.
Never suggest that a white person is from an inferior class.
Never lay claim to, or overly demonstrate, superior knowledge or intelligence.
Never curse a white person.
Never laugh derisively at a white person.
Never comment upon the appearance of a white female.

With DEI, we should never assert that a minority is lying. Never dishonor them. Never suggest they are of an inferior class. Never pretend we are smarter than them. Never curse them or make fun of them. Never comment on their appearance.

It's arguable that we should follow these laws for all people, but the DEI and CRT tenants follow that you can only do these things in a negative manner if you are in a position of power, which they claim all White people are in. So minority groups can claim that all white people lie, suggest we are inferior and dumber than them. They are allowed to make fun of white people and curse us.

I never said they were the exact same, but it's getting pretty dang close. If we were having companies specifically gathering groups of black people to have them critically look at their black privilege there would be outrage, but this happens to groups of white people all the time in certain settings.

[Zoibert the Bear]

Man and Woman are social categories, just like racial categories are.

This is where you are wrong, but you are welcome to embrace this delusion.

[Drusin]

Junk, tell me about gameplay not crap that affects nothing.

[NineSpine]

This is where you are wrong, but you are welcome to embrace this delusion.

That's a fact. It's not up for debate. Men and women have different social roles. That's a fact.

[Goatfish]

Do you realize how unhinged it is to say "A set of private companies setting up private rules that only apply to themselves is JUST LIKE JIM CROW"? Do you realize how much that shows a complete disregard for the abject suffering Jim Crow inflicted on people? "The company that runs the TV channel wants commercials to be nicer... this is just like laws that led to mass imprisonment of people for being black!" It's pathetic.

I never said JUST LIKE JIM CROW ERRHERRURR. I said it is the closest thing in the western political sphere to what Jim Crow laws did, and I can directly point to their policies that line up to Jim Crow laws, just changing the word Black to White. I never said it was government implementation, though governments are introducing DEI offices and enforcing these same things to government employees.

If you are going to respond, at least bother to read accurately.

[Syncr]

It's almost like arbitrary social categories are flawed and we should be careful about treating them like rules that we have to force people to live by.

You are so, so, so close and don't realize it at all.

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You know the Advertising Standards Authority isn't a government agency, right?

Do you realize how unhinged it is to say "A set of private companies setting up private rules that only apply to themselves is JUST LIKE JIM CROW"? Do you realize how much that shows a complete disregard for the abject suffering Jim Crow inflicted on people? "The company that runs the TV channel wants commercials to be nicer... this is just like laws that led to mass imprisonment of people for being black!" It's pathetic.

They aren’t flawed enough to change anything, nothing is ever 100%.

If you struggle with the idea of what a biological male or female is then that’s a you issue

[Elegiac]

Sounds like you don't understand them, let's just look at the list of 7 helpful tips that were given to Black people to help them comply with Jim Crow:

That's nice, dear, now do how white people were an oppressed class under Jim Crow.

With DEI, we should never assert that a minority is lying.

Gonna need a citation for this.

Never dishonor them. Never suggest they are of an inferior class. Never pretend we are smarter than them. Never curse them or make fun of them. Never comment on their appearance.

So, basically act like a professional in the workplace? The horror.

It's arguable that we should follow these laws

What laws? You've only cited workplace regulations and recommendations by non-government agencies.

So minority groups can claim that all white people lie, suggest we are inferior and dumber than them. They are allowed to make fun of white people and curse us.

Which is a shitty thing to do.

However, what you're not getting is that generalizing and making fun of white people almost never has actual political consequences for them as a demographic. Whereas open bigotry against women and minorities can and does pose a political threat to those groups. The power disparity is a very real factor that can and should be taken into account, and as a result one is inherently more problematic than the other.

Then again, that level of analysis is more than I expect from people who think not being able to say slurs is literally the second coming of Hitler or whatever. Rofl.

[NineSpine]

I never said JUST LIKE JIM CROW ERRHERRURR. I said it is the closest thing in the western political sphere to what Jim Crow laws did, and I can directly point to their policies that line up to Jim Crow laws, just changing the word Black to White. I never said it was government implementation, though governments are introducing DEI offices and enforcing these same things to government employees.

If you are going to respond, at least bother to read accurately.

Jim Crows laws denied people the right to vote and put people in jail for getting married to someone of the opposite race. It is sick to compare these things and shows a blatant disregard for the experiences of black people. You equate white hurt feelings with black torture and terror, and that says a lot about how you view the world.

[Zoibert the Bear]

That's a fact. It's not up for debate. Men and women have different social roles. That's a fact.

That’s the definition a loud bunch of people haven chosen. This was not what it meant a before, and probably not what it will mean in the future.

A lot of people deciding to say the same thing does not make it true. Being born with a penis makes you a man, while a vagina makes you a women, there are things in between and outliers, these are anomalies.

Going against these fundamentals is fully a social construct though. I still think your logic is flawed and socially driven, we are just never going to agree on this and that’s ok.

[NineSpine]

They aren’t flawed enough to change anything, nothing is ever 100%.

If you struggle with the idea of what a biological male or female is then that’s a you issue

Nobody struggles with what a biological male or female is, and nobody gets in trouble for recognizing it.

[Wekko]

I don't see a point in living in a society with rules decided by algorithms and computers. Humans judging and determining behaviors of other humans through instinct and nature is the only thing that makes sense in how to interpret our own humanity. Simplifying it down to a balanced equation just puts society in homeostasis/equillibrium. No chance for growth or debate.