Monkeypox!

[Rasulis]

The biggest problem with Monkeypox is that most US doctors are not familiar with the disease.

NPR did an interview with a Bay Area man that had Monkey Pox. He was bounced around between doctors, hospitals and emergency rooms. Until he finally drove himself to UCSF. Dr. Peter V. Chin-Hong, an epidemiologist at UCSF, saw him, did not wait for test results, and prescribed oxycodone for the pain & TPOXX. Which took care of the problem almost immediately. Here is the interview.

[NED funded]

"those liberal doctors are telling me to wash my hands and not touch other people. They're just trying to exert socialist controls on our freedoms! Why I heard from Joe Rogan that you can just drink dog tick bath and it'll cure your monkeypox!"

I mean...

Lots of sex shaming of gay men around monkeypox. The same shaming we saw in the 1980s re HIV.Lecturing people not to have sex isn’t a public health strategy. It didn’t stop HIV — it made it worse — & it won’t stop monkeypox.What will work is vaccination, testing, education

https://mobile.twitter.com/Scott_Wie...widget%3DTweet

[Gaidax]

Great as if C19 isn't enough.

Wait till some variant pops that starts killing people.

[NED funded]

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/07...ver-monkeypox/

Gay people just dont care bro

A disease that is most commonly transmitted during sexual activity? Cut that shit and participate in the piss orgy

[Santti]

What's this talk about it being something that it's specifically a problem for gay men, or whatever? I'm having some trouble understanding this one.

[Iain]

What's this talk about it being something that it's specifically a problem for gay men, or whatever? I'm having some trouble understanding this one.

It transmits through blood the fastest, unprotected anal sex drastically increases the odds of such transmission. So it works as an STD. But it's far from just an STD, it also spreads through other forms of contacts and fomites (infected objects). So the challenge is informing the gay community that they're at high risk, without stigmatising them or people infected with the disease, while also warning everyone else who frequently comes in physical contact with other people, like athletes.

A single person with open sores dancing in a large crowd at Coachella or whatever can turn the whole thing into a mass-spreader event.

[NED funded]

What's this talk about it being something that it's specifically a problem for gay men, or whatever? I'm having some trouble understanding this one.

Its a disease that spreads through contact. When you have anal sex, you tear the skin apart and these small bruises are what spread the disease

[Edge-]

What's this talk about it being something that it's specifically a problem for gay men, or whatever? I'm having some trouble understanding this one.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...e-sex-with-men

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/monk...ce-spread.html

Because that's what the data is showing so far. Why? It's complicated, but may stem from how different subgroups "sexual networks" operate.

[Iain]

Right. monogamous gay people have no more risk than monogamous straight couples.


EDIT:
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/st...36762319966208

Spain: Dr tells of spotting this monkeypox infected on the underground train and telling them to isolate immediately: they responded saying they don't have to as their Dr told them that, and that monkeypox is gay only

[Forogil]

EDIT:
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/st...36762319966208

It's always hard to know what is true from translated reporting of what someone said.

Obviously the person traveling with visible Monkeypox should isolate - but it seems that the doctor stated that the others should isolate as well, and they are all infected.

The Dr's statement seems unlikely to be true - they are not physically in contact, not exchanging cloths, and especially not exchanging bodily fluids. Respiratory spread usually required prolonged contacts - and typically occur in households, it seems unlikely to occur in this public transport - especially as Spain still seems to require face masks in public transports (and as far as I have seen a large percentage actually follow that); and e.g., CDC doesn't even indicate that you should wear face masks against monkeypox.

The most likely route of transmission would likely be from the palms of the hands (which normally have lesions) to objects - but I don't know if he is actually holding something with his hands (he's standing in front of the beam), but if so it will likely spread to the next set of passengers who hold the same thing - not these ones.

[Milchshake]

Right. monogamous gay people have no more risk than monogamous straight couples.


EDIT:
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/st...36762319966208

The original and the translation were made up. "People will make up shit for online attention", part elevenvty billion.

"I don't have monkeypox and I didn't talk to him"

[Ihavewaffles]

Pandemics are very rare, takes years n years, if not centuries n now we are supposed to have two at once? And covid came from near where it was studied in a lab is not at all suspect n the timing of this monkey pox...I dunno, but seems like corporate greed n steady customers of 'help' has if not created, a monster..

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Great as if C19 isn't enough.

Wait till some variant pops that starts killing people.

Well, they recently created a proper vaccine for ebola, like i said, proper, that took years n years in the making, not something cooked up on short notice with no long-term studies like the covid "vaccines"

[Edge-]

Pandemics are very rare, takes years n years, if not centuries n now we are supposed to have two at once? And covid came from near where it was studied in a lab is not at all suspect n the timing of this monkey pox...I dunno, but seems like corporate greed n steady customers of 'help' has if not created, a monster..

Welcome to what health experts in infectious disease have been saying for decades. Pandemics will likely continue to become more common, and the point of taking monkeypox seriously is to head it off before it reaches pandemic stages.

There continues to be no credible evidence covid 19 leaked from any labs.

Well, they recently created a proper vaccine for ebola, like i said, proper, that took years n years in the making, not something cooked up on short notice with no long-term studies like the covid "vaccines"

Not all viruses are the same. Not all vaccines are the same. There's been extensive reporting and discussion providing context for why the covid vaccine was able to be produced so rapidly while work on other vaccines continues.

[Ihavewaffles]

Welcome to what health experts in infectious disease have been saying for decades. Pandemics will likely continue to become more common, and the point of taking monkeypox seriously is to head it off before it reaches pandemic stages.

As we clear more forests n encounter more undiscovered diseases you mean? Old news, but the timing of monkey pox is suspect. By more common, they mean shorter years between pandemics, and here you have two of them at the same time. So, not sorry for being suspicious of this and corporate greed.

There continues to be no credible evidence covid 19 leaked from any labs.

Fauci admitted to studying the disease there, n it came out there. Coincidence? So, if not a leak, what happened? Aliens teleported the disease out of the lab unto the public, that how it got out?

Not all viruses are the same. Not all vaccines are the same. There's been extensive reporting and discussion providing context for why the covid vaccine was able to be produced so rapidly while work on other vaccines continues.

what are u talking about?

to put any medicine on the market, you need long-term studies on its effects -before- it becomes available. There are no exceptions, but covid got so big people hit the panic button n fudge the rules! Studies for long-term effects are there for a reason, to even think there should be exceptions outside of panic, "well, they are different!" is like such a non-answer.. that's like saying this brand of cars should not need more than a short testing n we should release them to the public, what is the worst that could happen with them on the roads?

The long-term studies of covid vaccines is more important than not doing them, because there is nobody, nobody, that can accurately predict their results, 5, 10, 15 years down the line, can you at least agree on something like that? Or are you just auto-accepting anything said?..

It takes 15 years to release a medicine to the public, now you are telling me a covid vaccine cooked up on short notice, with no long-term study, less than a year, is so good, n trustworthy as a covid-vaccine that took 15 years to get released? If you don't think we got sub-par vaccines, well, I guess you believe anything..


What the world collectively said, "yes, the good stuff is in the future, but I'm so scared of this disease i just want something in me that might work, somewhat! Who knows if i'll be around in 15 years for the proper stuff!"


But, there is a reason for the long waits, it's not about being indifferent about current fears n deaths n suffering, its wanting long-term solutions, if you administer something that hasn't been studied enough years, you don't have the information how to beat it long-term, which means you provide the disease to become more resistant to the later proper vaccine, because u have made the disease used to things similar, so instead of delivering a killing-blow to the disease, once you are rdy to deliver it, it has become too resistant.
That is one problem with for example the aids virus, with 3rd world countries panicking n throw anything they can at it n then it emerges stronger n harder to beat than before.


If you just want to say the narrative to feel safer, good for you, doesn't mean the rest of us are so in need of being comforted we forget why we have long-term studies. This isn't politics, this is science, do you get that?

[Edge-]

As we clear more forests n encounter more undiscovered diseases you mean?

No, as human populations increase, population densities increase, humans and animals often live closer and closer together, and the speed of travel increases allowing for easy transmission of infectious disease.

Old news, but the timing of monkey pox is suspect.

Suspect why?

By more common, they mean shorter years between pandemics, and here you have two of them at the same time. So, not sorry for being suspicious of this and corporate greed.

No, we have one. Monkeypox hasn't reached pandemic status yet, and hopefully it'll be taken seriously enough by governments and people that it'll stay that way.

Fauci admitted to studying the disease there

He did? Personally himself? Or the center? What were they studying, specifically, and how would that have any relation to covid in the wild?

Coincidence?

The information suggests, yes. Yes it is.

So, if not a leak, what happened? Aliens teleported the disease out of the lab unto the public, that how it got out?

https://www.wired.com/story/tracing-...demic-origins/

Tracing it is hard, and that work is still ongoing. It was thought to be wet markets, then not, then maybe, then not, now we're back to wet markets, which are themselves breeding grounds for diseases/viruses that can spread between animal hosts. I get that you have an active imagination, but it's often much more simple and boring that one would think.

to put any medicine on the market, you need long-term studies on its effects -before- it becomes available. There are no exceptions, but covid got so big people hit the panic button n fudge the rules!

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ine-so-quickly

You can always educate yourself about subjects before just saying whatever sounds good in your head.

Studies for long-term effects are there for a reason, to even think there should be exceptions outside of panic, "well, they are different!" is like such a non-answer.. that's like saying this brand of cars should not need more than a short testing n we should release them to the public, what is the worst that could happen with them on the roads?

Elaborate, with evidence. What testing was skipped? What potential long-term risks are there that medical professionals have totally missed?

We have a massive dataset by now with vaccinations, and it's still...not showing all the scary risks that anti-vaxx and low-information fearmongers have been clutching pearls over.

The long-term studies of covid vaccines is more important than not doing them, because there is nobody, nobody, that can accurately predict their results, 5, 10, 15 years down the line, can you at least agree on something like that? Or are you just auto-accepting anything said?..

I'm sticking with the guidance of medical professionals who have little interest being protecting public health, personally. Especially compared to the other "medical professionals" who are trying to scaremonger about the vaccines risks while also believing that having sex with demons causes sterility. Not exactly a great source, there.

It takes 15 years to release a medicine to the public, now you are telling me a covid vaccine cooked up on short notice, with no long-term study, less than a year, is so good, n trustworthy as a covid-vaccine that took 15 years to get released? If you don't think we got sub-par vaccines, well, I guess you believe anything..

A vaccine based on existing vaccine methods can take less time to get through clinical trials, yes, and the covid vaccine has consistently been shown to be highly effective.

What the world collectively said, "yes, the good stuff is in the future, but I'm so scared of this disease i just want something in me that might work, somewhat! Who knows if i'll be around in 15 years for the proper stuff!

Then they'd say that. And it wouldn't mean anything outside of their own personal opinions. Vaccine development is not done by democratic vote.

But, there is a reason for the long waits, it's not about being indifferent about current fears n deaths n suffering, its wanting long-term solutions, if you administer something that hasn't been studied enough years, you don't have the information how to beat it long-term, which means you provide the disease to become more resistant to the later proper vaccine, because u have made the disease used to things similar, so instead of delivering a killing-blow to the disease, once you are rdy to deliver it, it has become too resistant.

Again, I highly suggest that instead of just blurting out whatever comes to mind, you do some research on the topic to help inform yourself. Knowledge is great!

That is one problem with for example the aids virus, with 3rd world countries panicking n throw anything they can at it n then it emerges stronger n harder to beat than before.

Not sure what you're talking about, source?

If you just want to say the narrative to feel safer, good for you, doesn't mean the rest of us are so in need of being comforted we forget why we have long-term studies. This isn't politics, this is science, do you get that?

Hey, if you wanna reject vaccines and shit, go for it. It's primarily your health you're risking.

[Forogil]

Interestingly the number of reported cases both worldwide and in the US have recently begun to go down. It might be that this outbreak will now fade away - but it may also be false dawn.

At the same time covid-cases are also declining in almost all countries by itself.

[Edge-]

Wasn't this just the NIH saying they funded the lab to do general research on many things, as they do with labs all over the place?

Can't believe, years later, we're still on this conspiracy.

Largely, yes. But there are "GAIN OF FUNCTION!" conspiracy theories floating about everywhere. People love them some global conspiracies where literally every medical professional except the lady who thinks that fucking a demon makes you sterile is in on it.

[Forogil]

No, as human populations increase, population densities increase, humans and animals often live closer and closer together, and the speed of travel increases allowing for easy transmission of infectious disease.

Worldwide pandemics really got started in the 1800s - but they haven't accelerated that much since then, there were 3 that killed a million in the 1800s, 4 such started in the 1900s, and one so far in the 2000s.

You are right that before that the diseases spread more slowly, but they did spread earlier as well and in one sense slower travel just stretched out the pandemic. The bubonic plague pandemic during the middle ages lasted about 7 years and just spreading across Europe took more than four years, whereas the deadliest recent pandemic was the Spanish flu that took about 2 months to spread in the first wave; it killed 6% or less of the world population during 4 years. Covid-19 didn't spread that much faster than the Spanish flu.

An interesting thought is that when the first agricultural revolution it took quite a long time before population started increasing due to all of the new diseases. It is possible that we in some way evolved mechanisms to keep them at bay after some time. It may be that we are currently in a similar situation.

What were they studying, specifically, and how would that have any relation to covid in the wild?

As I understand the most realistic lab-related possibility is that it was introduced when someone was collecting bats (or minks) for science (and not for eating). That's not a "lab-leak", but still lab-related. I don't know how much serious scientist entertaining this were really considering it, and how much it is to pressure the Chinese to allow additional investigations and tell people to be more cautious.

However, recent studies show that the cases were centered around the wet-market making that unlikely (the lab is about 10km south-east of the market, across the river), and that it likely jumped at least twice to humans. To me the multiple jumps to humans really puts the nail in the coffin for the lab-idea.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62307383
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

[Nurasu]

If Monkeypox is just government-sponsored corporate greed, why would they have ever phased out the Smallpox vaccine in the first place? Dumbest conspiracy I've heard today.

[Forogil]

Largely, yes. But there are "GAIN OF FUNCTION!" conspiracy theories floating about everywhere. People love them some global conspiracies where literally every medical professional except the lady who thinks that fucking a demon makes you sterile is in on it.

The absurdity of "gain of function" is manifold.

The first is that they experimented with an undescribed virus to make something better; whereas normal GoF-research starts with a known virus (to have a baseline etc).
The second is that they changed it without leaving any scaffolding in the virus or write any scientific papers.
Thirdly they ignored what is know of GoF for Sars-Cov-1 and didn't de-activate the proof-reading (which would make it less fit).
Fourthly all of this would indicate that they made a super-potent virus - in the original strain; considering Delta and Omicron that seems falsified on its own.