bcs they havent played the game before? playing warcraft 1-3 or classic wow will give you VERY little knowledge about current wow or about wow expansions past tbc
yeah, no.. definitely not always, and in this case, for new player its definitely better to have one option only on lvl 10 when he barely even seen basics of the game...
as a completely new player, what would you base your choice on? descriptions in chromie time would tell you pretty much nothing, so you would most likely go and google info, literaly 1-2h into the game and instead of playing you would be looking for information online, thats terrible idea...
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What a strange thread - this all comes from people who.......................have already played wow?!?!?!?!?!?!........."oh but this is wrong and that is wrong and this is different" - no, guys, a NEW player wouldn't have a fucking clue - they ALSO wouldn't have a fucking clue what expansion they would prefer, so the entire argument is just.............strange.
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You dont think playing the RTS would give you some idea of who............the LK is?
More options (and in some cases they turn out to be better options) are always welcomed and should be considered.
But the way you are presenting them in your OP with the quasi-whining nature to your post is probably why you are getting some specific kind of responses here.
Playing Warcraft 1-3 + wow classic gives you all the knowledge to start Burning Crusade in retail, by definition since BC is the direct continuation of them. The issue is precisely those players can't start at BC because they are forced into BFA. And yes, those players are maybe 0.01% of the playerbase, but allowing them to choose any expansion would likely require only a few UI tweaks are the creation of the character.
As I explained before, the plan is not to have the same interface for new players as for veterans. The idea is to give the possiblity for new players to play like they want, but there should still be clear indication that Exile's Reach into BFA is the advised route for new players (but not the mandatory one). Think something like this (way nicer obviously, my design skills are pretty much as high as Cairne importance during SL, and sorry for the french) :
https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=22/20/ijbm.png
And when clicking on the mesa, you got a pick alert pop-up asking you "ARE YOU REALLY SURE ?", with a red button "Yes, I want to start in Mesa".
Same for Chromie, she would say something like "Are you sure that you want to use my service ? It's not advised for a newcomer like you".
the 3RTS games + WoW classic give you all the knwoledge needed to start BC in retail, what the ones looking to play for the story would likely start with. And more option ARE always better, as soon as the advised path is clear for the newcomers (see my picture above).
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There is no way to salvage the new player's "don't know anything about Warcraft" story experience, not without Blizzard investing the time and effort into implementing a FFXIV-style MSQ and creating new quests that depict important events like Cairne's death ingame. But Blizzard is clearly unwilling to invest the time, money, and attention into WoW that they used to do a decade ago, so there is no hope of that happening.
You can do chromie time. You just have to complete the intro quest to BFA.
Why would a brand new player even know or care about chromie time?
Na it's better if new players have a linear understanding of recent expansions to better understand what's going on in the current one.
I can basically guarantee that there's more than 0.01% of players who'd pick the wrong option just to try it, and then would lodge support tickets asking for their choice to be changed because they chose wrong. The support load eclipses any benefit they'd get by allowing this, so no.
Originally Posted by Addiena
I kind of feel like island expeditions should be pointed out to new players a lot more. They give decent xp and if you get a lucky drop a lot of gold for starting out.
That said it is a bit silly to not let players pick their expansion to level in. I can get why you would want to push them towards more modern expansions..
I have just recently experienced said problem on my second account (same bnet), where after Exiles Reach I was forced to do BfA (eventhough i have multiple 50+ characters on another account on same bnet) ... however, i noticed that this happens only if I do ER... if I level normally to lvl10, i am able to select Chromie timeline... also, i can select Chromie with DK/DH as well... not sure if this is intended like that, but at least I am not forced to do BFA (on a side note, I am doing it on my lvl52 mage for Allied races purposes)...
and i wasnt talking about you, as you said yourself you are not really new player
i believe system as it is now is better for new players, you are exception bcs you are not really new player, but changing the system making it worse for new players just so its slightly better for handful of players who already played BFA is kinda stupid
"Let's broke something that is good" thread. WoW currently has best new player experience compared to most MMOs. Not flooding you with ton of different paths or old expansions is big part of it.
But you shouldn´t have such "freedom of choice".
Devs should lead new players through the game. New players cannot lead themselves, because they have no idea what they are doing.
If you create a new complex product, full of options and configurations, you make a presentation of it. You don´t just let people in and look into it for themselves, they don´t know what they are doing.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
What many of you seems to fail to understand is that if the UI is clear enough you can be lead through the game, and being free at the same time, those are not two incompatible concepts.
Just put a very small buttons on the very edge of the character creation screen for new players that is used to create a character outside of Exile's Reach. And with a warning when you click on it displaying that it's not an option advised for new players. And this pop-up has a very small "Yes, I understand the risk" red button that you must click to validate. See, most people won't even bother trying to click on that buttons, only those who truly want it (so those you have a desire to start at the beginning) will. And for Chromie time, don't even advise it to new players, that way they are not lad towards it, but still give them the possiblity to use it when speaking to Chromie.
By leading players, you cather to only the category of players that need to be lead, only to those who don't want to continune their journey because they are starting it, only to those who don't have gathered informations on the game beforehand (and yes, that likely represent quit the vast majority of players, but again : it's just a few UI tweaks).
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You can totally get 60 without going to the new zones, you're pretty much guarantee to always be ahead of the level of ennemy if you only do the quests and the archelogy nodes along the way (source : myself).
Chromie time should require loremaster and adjust with each new expansion. Maybe not that strict but I do think it worth for all players to see a portion of core expansion content before just jumping into whatever they want to do in the world.
It's not about flooding, it's about giving the option only to those who want it (and that's totally possible with a clear UI)
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Not for all players : only for those who don't want to do all the story in order (granteed, that gather more than 99% of the players, but still : not all players).