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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/business-a-lobby...l-human-right/



    In which the "pro-gun" crowd continues to show how absolutely batshit insane they are, and continue to promote ideologies and policies that will result in more dead Americans, and especially children.

    The conservative movement in the US still seems very pro-dead kids.
    How long do you think it'll be before other countries start to officially label the NRA as a terrorist organization?
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    How long do you think it'll be before other countries start to officially label the NRA as a terrorist organization?
    Unlikely. Apparently they've extended to Russia, Brazil, and Australia, and I doubt the former two will ever do anything and the latter has enough gun laws that the NRA is probably basically nonexistent there.

    No reason to worry about a threat that doesn't exist in your country because there's no market for firearms extremism.

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    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1530307326288093185

    What the fuck is even happening? Trump is, I guess, reading the names of the victims of the latest shooting and someone hits a bell after he reads each name?

    Is this...a thing? What the fuck is this even? I'm so fucking confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Unlikely. Apparently they've extended to Russia, Brazil, and Australia, and I doubt the former two will ever do anything and the latter has enough gun laws that the NRA is probably basically nonexistent there.

    No reason to worry about a threat that doesn't exist in your country because there's no market for firearms extremism.

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1530307326288093185

    What the fuck is even happening? Trump is, I guess, reading the names of the victims of the latest shooting and someone hits a bell after he reads each name?

    Is this...a thing? What the fuck is this even? I'm so fucking confused.
    He's trying to appear "sensitive" to the tragedy and keep his name relevant on a national scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Unlikely. Apparently they've extended to Russia, Brazil, and Australia, and I doubt the former two will ever do anything and the latter has enough gun laws that the NRA is probably basically nonexistent there.

    No reason to worry about a threat that doesn't exist in your country because there's no market for firearms extremism.

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    What the fuck is even happening? Trump is, I guess, reading the names of the victims of the latest shooting and someone hits a bell after he reads each name?

    Is this...a thing? What the fuck is this even? I'm so fucking confused.
    One of our ultra-fringe racist parties in one nation had meetings with the NRA a few years back, in the end they lost more votes, have no seats in the house now and likely won’t have any in the senate. We have some loud fucknuts who “lub me some gun” but for the most part we don’t want to have more dead kids on our hands. Albanese might label NRA in such a way, but our ultra-right wing media will plaster anything they can to propagandize and destroy the labor party.

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    It was the wrong decision.

    The police officers held off as they listened to sporadic gunfire from behind the door, ordered by the commander at the scene not to rush the pair of connected classrooms where the gunman had locked himself inside and begun shooting shortly after 11:30 a.m.

    “It was the wrong decision, period,” the director of the state police, Steven C. McCraw, said on Friday after reading from the transcripts of children’s calls to 911 and from a timeline of the police inaction during nearly 90 minutes of horror at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas.

    After days of shifting explanations and conflicting accounts, the disclosures answered many of the basic questions about how the massacre had taken place. But they raised the even more painful possibility that had the police done more, and faster, not all of those who died — 19 children and two teachers — would have lost their lives.

    The frank and sudden revelation by Mr. McCraw that a police commander decided not to go inside the classroom even as the gunman continued shooting brought forth an eruption of shouts and emotional questioning. At times, Mr. McCraw struggled to be heard. At others, he appeared overcome, his voice breaking.

    Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas, who earlier in the week had said the police “showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire,” said on Friday at a news conference in Uvalde that he had been “misled” about the events and the police response, adding that he was “absolutely livid.”

    Mr. Abbott, who hours earlier abandoned plans to appear at a National Rifle Association convention in Houston, told reporters that state lawmakers would review the tragedy and determine what went wrong. “Do we expect laws to come out of this devastating crime? The answer is yes,” he said.
    I'm shocked at Gov. Abbott's behavior. It's almost human.

    Of course, I can't imagine what kind of laws he's talking about. I think we can all safely assume it's not laws to keep weapons of war out of the hands of the average American civilian. I'm actually curious what kind of law needs to be passed to make "police officers intentionally posted to protect children actually have to do it" when that's as common sense as "don't give weapons of war to the average American civilian".

    The 18-year-old gunman, who crashed his grandmother’s pickup truck at 11:28 a.m. in a ditch by the school, began by firing outside — more than 20 times, first at bystanders and then at classroom windows. A Uvalde school district police officer arrived at the scene but did not see the gunman and drove past him.
    I can understand not seeing someone in general, but I can't understand not seeing someone firing a rifle blindly into classroom windows, when you're looking because you heard gunfire from a weapon of war.

    Once he entered the fourth-grade building, Ms. Carrillo said, the shooter banged and kicked on the door of her 10-year-old son Mario’s classroom, demanding to be let in. But he could not open the locked door.

    Instead, he moved to others.

    In the connected classrooms, Room 111 and Room 112, a pair of teachers, Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia, had also been showing a movie, “Lilo & Stitch” as the students finished up their lessons. One of the teachers moved to close the door and seal the classroom from the hallway. But the gunman was already there.
    Now this goes back to what I posted earlier. Clearly the school had doors capable of repelling the gunman, who either could not break them open with his military-grade weapon, or just decided not to. Either way, the shooting drills and plans either weren't good enough or weren't followed properly, Either way, murdered children.

    A few minutes later, at around 12:50 p.m., the specially trained officers from the Border Patrol opened the locked door with keys from a school janitor and burst into the room, firing 27 times inside the classroom, and killing the gunman.
    So I think we've all been through the discussion where we ask if some random-ass security guard at a Target is up to the task, or should be demanded to be up to the task, of dealing with the average American civilian with a weapon of war. I suspect the majority say "no, a taser and pepper spray ain't gonna do shit against 142 rounds". Give him a pistol and a vest, maybe, but security guards are, well, basically mercenaries, at least in the sense they aren't sworn public servants. Police? Are. And leaving aside any possibility they simply chose not to do their job (also known as "fired, sued, and maybe arrested") if the police on scene aren't capable of handling the average American civilian armed with a weapon of war, well, there are two directions that discussion can go.

    Which brings us back to Gov. Abbott.

    Since nobody here expect Abbott to impose gun control in any way at all, and quite frankly I don't even expect a posse-esque "anyone can privately sue someone they think has an illegal gun or illegal motive for their legal gun" they way they think it's okay with abortions, either.

    I think Abbott and the Texas GOP are going to pass knee-jerk legilslation to turn their police into walking tanks. Because it's the only choice they have that (a) can pass along their party lines (b) makes it look like they're doing anything at all when they're not (c) gets more guns and more powerful guns into Texas and most importantly (d) is the only option they have left, because what they've done for the last 25 years has too much inertia to push back.

    I hate to victim blame. But, when an already bad situation ("our on-site police could not stop a single averge American civilian with a weapon we've said for a generation he should be allowed to have, and the security measures we designed were clearly insufficient in either design or execution") is tempered by a party increasingly running on violent hate (see also: Jan 6th) by adding even more weapons and more bullets, well, I'm just going to say it now and be done with it.

    The increasingly high body counts in the next 25 years of Texas school shootings? Y'all brought that on yourselves. You were warned. This is how you're handling it. You deserve what happens next.

    P.S. I haven't even mentioned once how it took the fucking Border Patrol to show up to stop this. This was 100% not their job. Oh, I'm glad someone stopped this before "catastrophic" somehow got worse, but I would be equally dismayed if a mass shooting in downtown Mobile, AL was stopped by Air Force members from Florida an hour later because the Mobile police couldn't stop one civilian with one civilian weapon.

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    https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2022...alde-shooting/

    Even Abbott is throwing local cops under the bus.


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    @PhaelixWW Abbott the anti-cop / cop hating republican!!

    Why do they hate the cops so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Unlikely. Apparently they've extended to Russia, Brazil, and Australia, and I doubt the former two will ever do anything and the latter has enough gun laws that the NRA is probably basically nonexistent there.

    No reason to worry about a threat that doesn't exist in your country because there's no market for firearms extremism.
    We just straight up don't have the gun culture that America does. Guns are for sporting and farm use, not for self defense or property defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What the fuck is even happening? Trump is, I guess, reading the names of the victims of the latest shooting and someone hits a bell after he reads each name?

    Is this...a thing? What the fuck is this even? I'm so fucking confused.
    I thought it was a decent show of respect until the fucking bell started. Wow you played an MP3 of a bell chiming on your phone, great job ruining it dickhead.
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  9. #629
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-ch...054913036.html
    Police chief who delayed tactical response to shooting that killed 21 people will join Uvalde City Council
    Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

    Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

    Though the Uvalde Police Department has since changed its story about what happened during the shooting at least 12 times, a Friday statement by Director of Texas Department of Public Safety Steven McCraw indicated Arredondo's orders delayed police response during the incident.

    McCraw said Friday that Arredondo, who oversees the six-officer police force in eight schools as the Chief of Police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, believed the gunman had "barricaded" himself in a classroom and "there were no more children at risk," and ordered officers not to engage the suspect.

    Meanwhile, the gunman continued firing on a 4th grade classroom, ultimately killing two teachers and 19 students and wounding 17 others.

    "Of course it was not the right decision," McCraw added. "It was the wrong decision. There is no excuse for that."

    The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District did not immediately return Insider's request for comment.
    I am going to take a guess that he will not last long at that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-ch...054913036.html
    Police chief who delayed tactical response to shooting that killed 21 people will join Uvalde City Council

    I am going to take a guess that he will not last long at that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The paywall cuts off the most damning part. I'll link to Twitter where someone grabbed the documents;

    https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/stat...57140191186944

    Uvalde PD had a mass-shooter training just a couple months ago. That training laid out their policies and approach, and required officers to go in immediately to confront the attacker as their first priority, over saving/protecting lives, even requiring officers to bypass wounded to stop the attacker first. It required that if one officer of a pair got shot, the second would have to continue on and leave their partner, entering alone to confront and stop the shooter. That any member of the PD had to recognize they were expected to put themselves in harm's way and do courageous things to save the innocent, and if they couldn't accept that, they should fuckin' quit, right now.

    Every single officer involved in this mess needs to be fired, summarily, for gross violations of department policy and ethical requirements. That's to start. If their union bitches, point to the training and ask why the union is anti-police.

    Then, charge these fuckers. At a minimum, negligence leading to death, but I'd venture you could bump it up to accessory to murder. Charge both and see what sticks.

    Also charge them for the assaults committed against parents. They're clearly outside of policy and behaving unethically, and the parents were in the right.

    Also, charge every officer who held back. Not just the first couple, or the highest-ranked. Every goddamned one. After you fire them, which should happen yesterday.

    This shit was godawful when it just appeared that it was an extension of the usual "we don't protect and serve shit" attitudes of cops, but the revelation that their conduct was an outright refusal to abide by PD policy on mass shooting responses, because every single officer was too much of a chickenshit coward to do their fucking jobs, that shit needs consequences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Unlikely. Apparently they've extended to Russia, Brazil, and Australia, and I doubt the former two will ever do anything and the latter has enough gun laws that the NRA is probably basically nonexistent there.

    No reason to worry about a threat that doesn't exist in your country because there's no market for firearms extremism.

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    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1530307326288093185

    What the fuck is even happening? Trump is, I guess, reading the names of the victims of the latest shooting and someone hits a bell after he reads each name?

    Is this...a thing? What the fuck is this even? I'm so fucking confused.
    He did his fucking stupid "jerking off two lads at the same time" dance at the end of his appearance after reading the names of the victims as well... Can't even make this stuff up in this clown show anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    We just straight up don't have the gun culture that America does. Guns are for sporting and farm use, not for self defense or property defense.



    I thought it was a decent show of respect until the fucking bell started. Wow you played an MP3 of a bell chiming on your phone, great job ruining it dickhead.
    You must have missed the part where Trump danced at the end of it.
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    Ah yes, more solutions that would have stopped this shooting...that actually wouldn't have. Republicans just love them some dead kinds to fundraise off of.
    Haven’t seen a whole lot of ideas circulating that are worth a damn to be fair. And as far as fundraising off dead kids… well look no further than your friendly neighborhood Beta O’Rourke. LMAO at that one XD.

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    One day US will realize that amendment from 1791 that had use and reason in 18th century does not work in 21st century and needs to be repealed. And also that the good of the public is more important than support of various pressure groups in the Congress.

    Until then US will keep waking up to these kinds of news.
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    Texas Gov. Abbott says the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211M from the department that oversees mental health programs.

    Hard to stress better mental health when you cut the budget plus all and everything else that helps people out with issues. Yes, this is deflecting but I'm just calling out the bs excuse.

    Cruz: Ultimately, as we all know, what stops armed bad guys is armed good guys

    An hour and half later plus all the other fuck ups the police happened to do.



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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Haven’t seen a whole lot of ideas circulating that are worth a damn to be fair.
    Then you haven't made any effort whatsoever to look, considering that every single other developed country in the world does not share these issues.

    This isn't a case of an insurmountable problem that cannot be solved. This is a case of a specifically created problem that Americans refuse to even consider trying to solve. Just refusing to keep propping up these artificial structures that contribute to this cultural problem, structures like the 2nd Amendment and the frankly pathetic veneer of individualism in a society absolutely dominated by strongly authoritarian power structures.

    If you want to know why you don't see solutions that work alongside those structures, it's because those structures are themselves the problem, and any solution requires them to be broken apart.

    Or you can insist on retaining them, and make it clear that the only paths forward you want to see for your country are paved in the corpses of slaughtered children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    One day US will realize that amendment from 1791 that had use and reason in 18th century does not work in 21st century and needs to be repealed. And also that the good of the public is more important than support of various pressure groups in the Congress.

    Until then US will keep waking up to these kinds of news.
    But why shouldn't we give blind, unthinking support to the words of violent, abusive slavers, as most of the Founding Fathers clearly were? I don't know how many of them were also rapists, but it's more than a few, and some of those are among the most lauded today, like Jefferson.

    Those men were villains, by any honest metric. Stop fuckin' worshipping them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Haven’t seen a whole lot of ideas circulating that are worth a damn to be fair. And as far as fundraising off dead kids… well look no further than your friendly neighborhood Beta O’Rourke. LMAO at that one XD.
    Yeah, going to go with someone that has some working theories than someone who isn't doing anything, except shit that doesn't work like thoughts and prayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It was the wrong decision.



    I'm shocked at Gov. Abbott's behavior. It's almost human.

    Of course, I can't imagine what kind of laws he's talking about. I think we can all safely assume it's not laws to keep weapons of war out of the hands of the average American civilian. I'm actually curious what kind of law needs to be passed to make "police officers intentionally posted to protect children actually have to do it" when that's as common sense as "don't give weapons of war to the average American civilian".



    I can understand not seeing someone in general, but I can't understand not seeing someone firing a rifle blindly into classroom windows, when you're looking because you heard gunfire from a weapon of war.



    Now this goes back to what I posted earlier. Clearly the school had doors capable of repelling the gunman, who either could not break them open with his military-grade weapon, or just decided not to. Either way, the shooting drills and plans either weren't good enough or weren't followed properly, Either way, murdered children.



    So I think we've all been through the discussion where we ask if some random-ass security guard at a Target is up to the task, or should be demanded to be up to the task, of dealing with the average American civilian with a weapon of war. I suspect the majority say "no, a taser and pepper spray ain't gonna do shit against 142 rounds". Give him a pistol and a vest, maybe, but security guards are, well, basically mercenaries, at least in the sense they aren't sworn public servants. Police? Are. And leaving aside any possibility they simply chose not to do their job (also known as "fired, sued, and maybe arrested") if the police on scene aren't capable of handling the average American civilian armed with a weapon of war, well, there are two directions that discussion can go.

    Which brings us back to Gov. Abbott.

    Since nobody here expect Abbott to impose gun control in any way at all, and quite frankly I don't even expect a posse-esque "anyone can privately sue someone they think has an illegal gun or illegal motive for their legal gun" they way they think it's okay with abortions, either.

    I think Abbott and the Texas GOP are going to pass knee-jerk legilslation to turn their police into walking tanks. Because it's the only choice they have that (a) can pass along their party lines (b) makes it look like they're doing anything at all when they're not (c) gets more guns and more powerful guns into Texas and most importantly (d) is the only option they have left, because what they've done for the last 25 years has too much inertia to push back.

    I hate to victim blame. But, when an already bad situation ("our on-site police could not stop a single averge American civilian with a weapon we've said for a generation he should be allowed to have, and the security measures we designed were clearly insufficient in either design or execution") is tempered by a party increasingly running on violent hate (see also: Jan 6th) by adding even more weapons and more bullets, well, I'm just going to say it now and be done with it.

    The increasingly high body counts in the next 25 years of Texas school shootings? Y'all brought that on yourselves. You were warned. This is how you're handling it. You deserve what happens next.

    P.S. I haven't even mentioned once how it took the fucking Border Patrol to show up to stop this. This was 100% not their job. Oh, I'm glad someone stopped this before "catastrophic" somehow got worse, but I would be equally dismayed if a mass shooting in downtown Mobile, AL was stopped by Air Force members from Florida an hour later because the Mobile police couldn't stop one civilian with one civilian weapon.
    I give one out to the cops as the door was locked and I’ve not seen any information as to whether this was some kind of reinforced door or not (as many schools have these installed for just such a situation) and if this was like any school I’ve ever been inside my entire life the walls are cinderblocks, but how does it take 90 minutes to get a fucking key from the janitor?

    Also the teacher who unlocked the side door in the first place needs fired yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Then you haven't made any effort whatsoever to look, considering that every single other developed country in the world does not share these issues.

    This isn't a case of an insurmountable problem that cannot be solved. This is a case of a specifically created problem that Americans refuse to even consider trying to solve. Just refusing to keep propping up these artificial structures that contribute to this cultural problem, structures like the 2nd Amendment and the frankly pathetic veneer of individualism in a society absolutely dominated by strongly authoritarian power structures.

    If you want to know why you don't see solutions that work alongside those structures, it's because those structures are themselves the problem, and any solution requires them to be broken apart.

    Or you can insist on retaining them, and make it clear that the only paths forward you want to see for your country are paved in the corpses of slaughtered children.

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    But why shouldn't we give blind, unthinking support to the words of violent, abusive slavers, as most of the Founding Fathers clearly were? I don't know how many of them were also rapists, but it's more than a few, and some of those are among the most lauded today, like Jefferson.

    Those men were villains, by any honest metric. Stop fuckin' worshipping them.
    Whoa slow down, I said hadn’t seen many good ideas, not zero good ideas. I get that you hate the entire foundation of modern power structures but let’s not get into the weeds while discussing how to better stop shit stains from murdering children. Because it’s gotta be asked, why the fuck do children want to murder other children (and people) en masse? ‘But the gun culture bruh!’ doesn’t cut it because this was not a problem 40 years ago and I assure you there were plenty of guns back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    I give one out to the cops as the door was locked and I’ve not seen any information as to whether this was some kind of reinforced door or not (as many schools have these installed for just such a situation) and if this was like any school I’ve ever been inside my entire life the walls are cinderblocks, but how does it take 90 minutes to get a fucking key from the janitor?

    Also the teacher who unlocked the side door in the first place needs fired yesterday.

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    Whoa slow down, I said hadn’t seen many good ideas, not zero good ideas. I get that you hate the entire foundation of modern power structures but let’s not get into the weeds while discussing how to better stop shit stains from murdering children. Because it’s gotta be asked, why the fuck do children want to murder other children (and people) en masse? ‘But the gun culture bruh!’ doesn’t cut it because this was not a problem 40 years ago and I assure you there were plenty of guns back then.
    It was a problem 40 years ago too.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._United_States

    Australia, uk, canada are a few countries that stopped to almost completely stopped, I guess these countries just don’t birth crazy people? Or maybe jesus miracled them and not the US. Hmmm, I wonder…

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-ente...230638123.html
    Feds entered Uvalde school to kill gunman despite local police initially asking them to wait
    Federal agents who went to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday to confront a gunman who killed 19 children were told by local police to wait and not enter the school — and then decided after about half an hour to ignore that initial guidance and find the shooter, say two senior federal law enforcement officials.

    According to the officials, agents from BORTAC, the Customs and Border Protection tactical unit, and ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) arrived on the scene between noon and 12:15 p.m. on Tuesday. Local law enforcement asked them to wait, and then instructed HSI agents to help pull children out of the windows.

    The BORTAC team, armed with tactical gear, at first did not move toward the gunman. After approximately 30 minutes passed, however, the federal agents opted of their own volition to lead the “stack” of officers inside the school and take down the shooter.



    Steven McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said Friday that Peter Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, had stopped at least 19 officers from breaking into the school as the gunman opened fire for at least an hour.

    Arredondo believed that the shooter had barricaded himself and that the children were not under an active threat, said McCraw at a news conference.

    “From the benefit of hindsight where I’m sitting now, of course, it was not the right decision. It was a wrong decision. Period. There was no excuse for that,” McCraw said. “There were plenty of officers to do what needed to be done, with one exception, is that the incident commander inside believed he needed more equipment and more officers to do a tactical breach at that time.”
    According to McCraw, Arredondo believed there was no active threat, so instead of sending officers in, he spent time finding keys that would let him into the school. During this time, however, Ramos had unencumbered access to carry out the attack. Nineteen students and two teachers were killed.

    Arredondo was not present among law enforcement officials standing with McCraw on Friday, and McCraw did not explicitly name him.

    Arredondo did not immediately return a request for comment by NBC News.

    Two teachers and 19 students, many of them fourth graders, were killed inside a single classroom during Tuesday’s massacre.

    McCraw said Friday that two students inside the school dialed 911 multiple times during the shooting and begged authorities for help. The calls began at 12:03 p.m. and lasted through most of the hour.

    At 12:47 p.m., one of the students called a 911 operator and said “please send the police now.”

    Both students survived, McCraw said.
    The feds did what the other cops should of done and ignored the police chiefs orders. Yes you would most likely lose your job, but I would rather have to find a new job then live with the fact that I could of possibly done something to prevent a mass killing of little kids.

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