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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Florida is probably looking for more disgraced cops to hire on, so they always have Florida as their backup plan.
    Do I sense a new state motto?
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    Do I sense a new state motto?
    Florida: Your bad cops are actually our good cops.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hootings-in-us

    100% for clout but I always wondered when other countries would bring US mass shootings to the world stage.

    Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".


    This shit was embarrassing a decade ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".
    Hilariously, I seem to be seeing more Americans outraged by what's happening in Canada. Canada might want to rethink the positions before some yahoo 'Murican's decide to BRING SOME FREEDOM up there.

    Which I hope never happens, but given what we've been seeing out of the American conservative movement lately, who knows what they're growing in those peach tree dishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Hilariously, I seem to be seeing more Americans outraged by what's happening in Canada. Canada might want to rethink the positions before some yahoo 'Murican's decide to BRING SOME FREEDOM up there.
    I think the CBSA needs to be instructed to ask all Americans entering "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Republican party?"

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    Given how extreme some cases have gotten, I doubt much will happen here short of token firings. No legal fines or anything like that.

    Remember hearing YEARS ago about a case where an apartment of girls heard a friend of theirs downstairs being messed with by a bunch of guys and called the cops. When things got silent they went down to see if the cops where there and check on their friend to find the guys still down there and took them hostage and spent the next 14 hours beating, raping, sodomizing, and peeing on them while forcing them to perform sexual acts on each other before they finally left. The police never bothered to send anyone. And the courts sided with the police on it saying they weren't required to protect them or something along those lines.

    Can't remember the exact details on it and not sure how to google for this without just getting a bunch of porn. But given that story, I don't have much hope for this one short of token firings and losing elections, no actual charges filed I am betting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hootings-in-us

    100% for clout but I always wondered when other countries would bring US mass shootings to the world stage.

    Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".


    This shit was embarrassing a decade ago.
    I mean US mass shootings are bad and all but China of "let's drop entire ethnic groups into concentration camps" fame ain't got no lesson to give to anyone regarding racism or human rights records.

    As for us in Canada, don't think it's a universal opinion. Conservatives don't like the new proposed bill in general. Bloc has proposed a buyback which I wouldn't be against if well implemented.
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    Uvalde literally declared disaster area.

    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced Tuesday that he has declared the city of Uvalde a state of disaster following a deadly mass shooting that killed 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School.

    The declaration will accelerate state and local assistance and suspend regulations that would "prevent, hinder or delay necessary action," according to a press release from Abbott's office.

    The declaration also enables state agencies such as the Texas Division of Emergency Management to continue providing crisis response resources, including a temporary facility for community members who are seeking mental health support.

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    One of those cops definitely shot a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting
    The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

    According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.

    Maybe that coward of a police chief could see actual jail time.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05...investigation/

    More on this -

    Texas Rangers investigating the response to the shooting want to continue talking to Pete Arredondo, chief of police at Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. But he hasn’t answered a request made two days ago for a follow-up interview, according to two DPS spokespeople.

    The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District’s police department and the Uvalde Police Department have otherwise been cooperating with the Rangers’ investigation, DPS spokesperson Travis Considine said.
    So sounds like it's mostly the chief of police who's ghosting them. I mean, I can understand it to a point - guy is a small town police chief suddenly thrust into the national spotlight on one of the worst days of his life when he's made objectively terrible decisions that resulted in 21 people dying. In that situation I'd probably turtle as well...but that's why I don't/wouldn't take a job with that kind of pressure, either. But it's also making things worse and making them look worse for him. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't, apparently, primarily responsible as the commander on the scene for allowing children to die while he ordered law enforcement to do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05...investigation/

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    So sounds like it's mostly the chief of police who's ghosting them. I mean, I can understand it to a point - guy is a small town police chief suddenly thrust into the national spotlight on one of the worst days of his life when he's made objectively terrible decisions that resulted in 21 people dying. In that situation I'd probably turtle as well...but that's why I don't/wouldn't take a job with that kind of pressure, either. But it's also making things worse and making them look worse for him. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't, apparently, primarily responsible as the commander on the scene for allowing children to die while he ordered law enforcement to do nothing.
    Nice to see the others are cooperating and that it is not the entire department not helping. But this dude is doing himself no favors. I mean public pressure should not really be getting to him, he was running for the city council after all, and that comes with plenty of pissed off people. I would never want it except for maybe people like Putin, but I have a feeling this dude is going to off himself. He has both sides throwing daggers at him atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    One of those cops definitely shot a kid.
    I hope that's not true. Also, if the cops didn't engage the shooter, I'm wondering how that would even have happened. Unless you mean the Border Patrol group that shot him 27 times and hitting a hostage in the crossfire, which at this point, I'd actually understand considering the gunman killed the other 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And that teacher that the cops keep blaming for propping open the door?

    Yeah...they didn't, they closed the door after hearing people yell there was someone with a gun.

    And worth noting, it's very likely that the teacher did not have the keys needed to lock the door. Teacher did the right things, called 911 and tried to keep the shooter out.

    Cops have a lot of 'splainin to do.

    I do wonder if literally anything the cops said in the first 24 hours will end up being true by the end of this. I get it, lots of initial confusion and getting to the bottom of things, but it sure seems like local cops straight up made up a ton of this shit early on.
    To add to this since your article did not mention it.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-pol...212205285.html
    They have now determined that the teacher, who has not been identified, propped the door open with a rock, but then removed the rock and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety. But, Considine said, the door that was designed to lock when shut did not lock.

    “We did verify she closed the door. The door did not lock. We know that much and now investigators are looking into why it did not lock,” Considine said.
    So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Uvalde literally declared disaster area.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced Tuesday that he has declared the city of Uvalde a state of disaster following a deadly mass shooting that killed 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School.

    The declaration will accelerate state and local assistance and suspend regulations that would "prevent, hinder or delay necessary action," according to a press release from Abbott's office.

    The declaration also enables state agencies such as the Texas Division of Emergency Management to continue providing crisis response resources, including a temporary facility for community members who are seeking mental health support.
    I'm deeply concerned by this decision of Abbott's. It's literally the best and right thing to do. And he did. Usually he would run the other direction, like pass a law saying it's illegal to help victims and anyone doing so can be turned in for a $10k bounty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm deeply concerned by this decision of Abbott's.
    It does seem out of character for him to admit the gun rights he fought so hard for led to a listeral disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I hope that's not true. Also, if the cops didn't engage the shooter, I'm wondering how that would even have happened. Unless you mean the Border Patrol group that shot him 27 times and hitting a hostage in the crossfire, which at this point, I'd actually understand considering the gunman killed the other 20.
    Every time I see a reality update, wherein the facts push aside the Uvalde spin cycle, and apparently show that the Uvalde Cowards literally sat outside the school, for 50 fucking minutes, while children called for help on 911 as they were continually slaughtered, only to be saved by some hero who heard it on the news, drove over, and took care of business, I hope in a darker portion of my psyche that the police chief rots in hell for the remainder of his life. I would not be surprised if he were either in hiding, or has some kind of protection. I wonder if his protection would wait around and not help if someone decided to lash out at him.

    (I know this is a bit out of character at what I hope are usually rational posts, but I'm beyond good words at this point)

    If I was part of the Prosecutor's Office in that area, after I got my head screwed back on straight, I would be looking at how to charge the Cowardly Uvalde Chief with negligent homicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    One of those cops definitely shot a kid.
    How could they have? The Uvalde Police Chief kept his officers out of harms way, remember? The Border Patrol Agents are the [unbelievable] heroes, because they could armor up from what they carried in their off duty vehicles while they were at Starbucks.

    What in the holy fucking hell is going on in this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What in the holy fucking hell is going on in this country?
    Fascism. In a nutshell.

    Under fascist systems, the police exist to enforce the will of those in power, and to protect themselves as agents of that power. They do not serve the interests of the people, because the people are inevitably the enemy of the fascist State. At best, you're propagandizing the useful majority while purging "offensive" minorities, but which minority groups qualify is a sliding scale that forever chips away at that useful majority until the entire system collapses under its own hubris, or it gets forced to shut down by other nations' use of force against them.

    This is, literally, what fascism looks like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.
    DPS and local response is in shambles now that they have to find a new scapegoat to blame. That teacher was a really good scapegoat for a few days, they might have to finally start accepting some collective blame themselves...oh the horror of being blame for failing to do your fucking job resulting in the many likely avoidable deaths of children and adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.
    I mean...when you get to the part of the literal disaster which is "because the average American armed with a weapon of war got into the police-protected school, the teacher should--" you can just give up on "fault". The situation is already fucked.

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    Can I be a MASSIVE dick for a moment and just state: this is Texas. How many of these folks go home and vote against gun control, vote against improving our schools, vote against raising teacher pay, vote for rabid fascist-wannabes and talk about more guns and arming teachers like it's a solution?

    Tony Gonzales, R-TX, representative for the 23rd District of Texas, has a 92% approval rating from the NRA. He voted against the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act. He has 80% favorability with the National Association of Police Organizations. He was literally rated ZERO by the National Education Association. His website says he favors "school choice" aka: vouchers, aka: public funding to private institutions. He has exceedingly high favorability with just about every name-drop conservative organization you can think of and low ratings by almost every organization related to social care, education, or health and wellness.
    https://justfacts.votesmart.org/cand.../tony-gonzales

    My pity well is at the bottom folks. This isn't about guns. This is the outcome of electing people like this.

    Am I saying these folks deserve what happened? FUCK NO. But I am saying: what other outcome was there?
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