Texas Elementary School Shooting, as many as 22 dead, including Children

[PhaelixWW]

Ahh yes, stoners. When I think of violent people who want to shoot up something, I think of a pothead. People who would, if high enough, get lost along the way and complain of being hungry and forget what they were going to do.

Stoners.

Stoners are dangerous, man.

[unfilteredJW]

I can’t even handle an FPS after I have a edible.

[PhaelixWW]

I can’t even handle an FPS after I have a edible.

It was a lot of THPS for me.

[Deus Mortis]

Apparently Fox New is going BIG on the "weed is making people into violent mass shooters" argument.

Which is, for anyone that's legally consumed marijuana products, a patently fucking hilarious concept. I'm ready for them to start unironically airing Reefer Madness as a documentary.

That would be fucking hilarious if it was not so sad and that fact so many people will buy into it. Like the only thing someone stoned is going to kill is a giant plate of food.

[Endus]

That would be fucking hilarious if it was not so sad and that fact so many people will buy into it. Like the only thing someone stoned is going to kill is a giant plate of food.

Again, look to the Great White North, which has fully legalized reefer to the point that I can call up the government and get them to deliver weed to my door in whatever form I want; pre-rolls, edibles, buds, whatever. Not medical, recreational.

And our mass shootings sure haven't gone up as a result of that.

[cubby]

Again, look to the Great White North, which has fully legalized reefer to the point that I can call up the government and get them to deliver weed to my door in whatever form I want; pre-rolls, edibles, buds, whatever. Not medical, recreational.

And our mass shootings sure haven't gone up as a result of that.

There is no more rational discussion to be had with the gun advocates in this thread or the world. Their "rational" conversations dive into ridiculous and irrelevant details that ignore the fundamental problem. The United States has the most mass shootings. Other countries have far more strict laws and do not suffer as we do. @PhaelixWW - please pipe up if I'm missing something here in your argument.

To your point here Endus, the Great White North does so many things so well, it's a wonder we don't see a much larger migration.

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President Biden called on Congress to take action on gun control, including a ban on assault weapons, tougher background check laws and a higher minimum age of purchase.

And yet nothing will ever change, because the gun rights people, along with the GQP, have made it impossible to curtail or remove the Second Amendment, even though every rational person knows the U.S. would be a far better country if it were removed completely.

[Endus]

To your point here Endus, the Great White North does so many things so well, it's a wonder we don't see a much larger migration.

Unfortunately, it ain't perfect. Ontario just had an election (like, I got back from the polls about 5 hours ago), and it's looking like the Conservatives under Doug Ford (Crack Mayor's brother, of all people) are winning another majority government, even after completely arsing up our COVID response and trying to completely fuck over teachers.

But it's "Manchin-style Democrat" levels of fucking up, rather than fascist Republican styles.

[Breccia]

And yet nothing will ever change

Just because I agree with the virtue being signaled doesn't make it any less virtue signalling. The Democrats are ready to run on things like protecting pro-choice and children, the GOP are ready to run on "Trump won".

[Endus]

Just because I agree with the virtue being signaled doesn't make it any less virtue signalling. The Democrats are ready to run on things like protecting pro-choice and children, the GOP are ready to run on "Trump won".

Honest talk; Biden giving an impassioned speech on the need for action when he knows there's little to no chance of any action, and he himself is a big part of why there can never be action due to the fearmongering and racist horseshit he pushed himself in getting his big crime bill passed in the '90s (the aftereffects the USA is still dealing with, and is arguably responsible for the modern state of policing), it's not something laudable.

It's the equivalent of seeing a child downing in a lake just 15 feet offshore and shouting "Oh my how terrible that a child should drown! Whatever could be done!" while sitting your ass comfortably in your beach chair and waving at the beach waiter to bring you another fuckin' mojito.

Empty goddamned words, with the only goal to be seen as being empathic, rather than doing anything empathic.

Biden's the fuckin' worst thing to happen to the Democrats in a long time. Hillary Clinton wasn't this chickenshit. Not that I had that much love for her, either.

[Deus Mortis]

Again, look to the Great White North, which has fully legalized reefer to the point that I can call up the government and get them to deliver weed to my door in whatever form I want; pre-rolls, edibles, buds, whatever. Not medical, recreational.

And our mass shootings sure haven't gone up as a result of that.

Yeah the small city I live in has 8-12k people has multiple dispensaries and we have literally had a single murder in the past 15ish years and it was some dude killing his young child.

[Edge-]

Again, look to the Great White North, which has fully legalized reefer to the point that I can call up the government and get them to deliver weed to my door in whatever form I want; pre-rolls, edibles, buds, whatever. Not medical, recreational.

And our mass shootings sure haven't gone up as a result of that.

California has companies that do delivery as well, and I don't believe there's been a marked increase in mass shootings/violence that has any remote connection to getting dank flower delivered to your door.

But it's sure wild getting something that used to be completely illegal and is still illegal at the federal level, delivered right to your doorstep by a very nice employee who doesn't even partake in his companies product (sometimes). It's very much a, "Wow...this is the fuckin future." moment.

[Glorious Leader]

Unfortunately, it ain't perfect. Ontario just had an election (like, I got back from the polls about 5 hours ago), and it's looking like the Conservatives under Doug Ford (Crack Mayor's brother, of all people) are winning another majority government, even after completely arsing up our COVID response and trying to completely fuck over teachers.

But it's "Manchin-style Democrat" levels of fucking up, rather than fascist Republican styles.

I voted NDP. Del Duca didn't even win his seat. Also I dont even have to call the government. The dispensaries all fully liscened do door to door delivery. Actually my room mate got a fucking fat stack of bud delivered to his door the other day and I was like wtf yea dispensaries out in etobicoke. He bought more than 70 so no delivery free.

On topic I just get munchies. Like right now im snacking on animal crackers and no desire to shoot.

[Gabriel]

Canada is almost as retarded as the US when it comes to how you do your gun legislation. Sure your heart is in the right place, but why do you have to go about it in such convoluted way? A list of hundreds of banned weapons?

Let me help you guys save some time:

All guns capable of firing in full-auto are banned regardless of their caliber.

All handguns regardless of ammo capacity require 2 years of recorded history of doing a sports shooting discipline requiring said gun, with 10 documented training sessions with certified instructor.

All center-fire cartridge using long guns (rifles) with ammo capacity of 10+ rounds require a documented sports shooting hobby, with a minimum of 1 year and 5 documented training sessions with certified instructor.

[Lynarii]

Canada is almost as retarded as the US when it comes to how you do your gun legislation. Sure your heart is in the right place, but why do you have to go about it in such convoluted way? A list of hundreds of banned weapons?

Let me help you guys save some time:

All guns capable of firing in full-auto are banned regardless of their caliber.

All handguns regardless of ammo capacity require 2 years of recorded history of doing a sports shooting discipline requiring said gun, with 10 documented training sessions with certified instructor.

All center-fire cartridge using long guns (rifles) with ammo capacity of 10+ rounds require a documented sports shooting hobby, with a minimum of 1 year and 5 documented training sessions with certified instructor.

The answer to this is simple. The Conservatives up here are strongly opposed to any comprehensive in-depth gun laws. But the Liberals have found that they can get past that if they pass a reactionary law on the tide of public sentiment after something happens. This is... better than nothing... but reactionary laws are generally not the best written pieces of legislation, and sometimes lead to results that are nonsensical or outright wrong. In the end it's a setup that nobody is really happy with, but nobody wants to drag into the light outside of a crisis because they aren't really certain which side will get punished more in the inevitable circus.

[Masark]

Canada is almost as retarded as the US when it comes to how you do your gun legislation. Sure your heart is in the right place, but why do you have to go about it in such convoluted way? A list of hundreds of banned weapons?

The lists are just supplementary things to target specific problem guns (e.g. semiautomatics that are too easy to convert to full automatics, oddities like the American-180, weapons with a problematic following, etc. They just assign guns by name to the Restricted or Prohibited categories despite the general rules assigning them to a lower category). The basics are much simpler.

There are 3 categories of firearm. Non-restricted, Restricted, and Prohibited.

Non-restricted is basically anything you would use for hunting. Handguns cannot be considered non-restricted. Owning these requires a basic license known as a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License. The naming is because back at the beginning of the matter, there was a "Possession Only" license to grandfather in people who already owned guns. These don't exist anymore.), which requires passing a training course ("Canadian Firearms Safety Course").

Restricted is mostly handguns and a number of guns added to the list by name (e.g. AR15s). Requires a more stringent license called an RPAL (Restricted Possession and Acquisition License), which requires obtaining a PAL, then taking another course ("Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course"). They have additional restrictions on storage and transportation. They also are not legal for hunting use

Prohibited is stuff like short barrelled handguns and weapons assigned to this category by name. Also includes things like high capacity magazines (defined as >5 rounds for a semiautomatic long gun (only applies to centrefire ammunition. Manual action long guns and those using rimfire ammunition have no limit, hence why the above mentioned American-180 gets special treatment) or >10 rounds for handgun).

[Gabriel]

weapons with a problematic following

The what now?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Also in that article you linked, they're trying to open the shooter's phone.

Okay...why? Unless there's a co-conspirator, I don't know what they could find that'd be useful. Even if they found some kind of predictive clue, then what? One, everyone's already dead. Two, they can't use what they find to just monitor everyone's phones all the time. I could, literally right now, send a text message to cubby and say "I'm going to murder [name of poster], here's his real name and address, I'm 30 minutes away" and nobody would know except cubby. There's no monitoring system looking for that, there's no warrant for that, and y'all know 99.99999(repeating of course)% I'd be joking as shown by my previous post record. Now, if cubby sent that text to the police, which he would, that's different.

So I'm actually confused here. Is there any reason to suspect there's a co-conspirator? He bought the weapons of war and ammo himself, fired them himself. If not, what could law enforcement find that would be in any way useful at all, this far after the mass murder?

I doubt it's because they suspect a co-conspirator (but they'll probably check anyway just to rule it out). I think it's more they want to get every single bit of information they can about his motives, inspirations, preparation, etc

[Masark]

The what now?

For example, a particular gun that has both figurative and literal cults springing up around it.

[Gabriel]

For example, a particular gun that has both figurative and literal cults springing up around it.

I don't want to hear any news from North America anymore.

[Nymrohd]

The answer to this is simple. The Conservatives up here are strongly opposed to any comprehensive in-depth gun laws. But the Liberals have found that they can get past that if they pass a reactionary law on the tide of public sentiment after something happens. This is... better than nothing... but reactionary laws are generally not the best written pieces of legislation, and sometimes lead to results that are nonsensical or outright wrong. In the end it's a setup that nobody is really happy with, but nobody wants to drag into the light outside of a crisis because they aren't really certain which side will get punished more in the inevitable circus.

Which is why the law should never have been reactionary, There should be think tanks that have crafted comprehensive gun legislation that has been vetted every which way and kept hidden until the right time, when you spring it to the public. And not just legislation meant for the federal level but at the state level.