Dark ranger customizations confirmed!!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Dedicate an entire spec for it.

so if they left every thing lore and customization wise that we have right now the exact same but just added a 4th spec you'd think nothing else was needed?

[Triceron]

If it was so obvious, they wouldn't have different categorizations by now:
Could also be Hunter, Scout, Ranger
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_ranger

You're splitting hairs.

Does this WoWpedia categorization help your case for a new Dark Ranger class at all?

It wouldn't be hard to delegate a spec for them either. Are they BM or MM? Wailing Arrow is found in both. Are they MM or Survival? One can wield a bow but the other is described as a Ranger.

Mountain King doesn't have its own spec, yet you attribute it to being a Fury Warrior despite Thunderclap and Avatar being Protection Talents. Stormbolt also appears in Fury, Arms and Protection, and you seem to have no problem continuing to identify it as Fury. Why the double standard here with Hunters having Wailing Arrow in multiple specs?

I mean, I said before Marksmanship would be the best fit since even Blizzard had Dark Ranger Velonara be represented as a Marksmanship Hunter in Wod as a follower. If Wailing Arrow is a BM talent then that doesn't really change anything, since Dark Rangers are Hunters, and not tied to any particular spec. We're just talking about what represents em best, the same way you attribute Fury to Mountain Kings even though Storm Bolt appears in every spec while Thunderclap is missing from the spec.

Dark Ranger is a type of Hunter. How you choose to represent that is purely through RP, same way you do if you want to play as a Mountain King. There is no single Warrior spec that perfectly represents the MK.

[username993720]

so if they left every thing lore and customization wise that we have right now the exact same but just added a 4th spec you'd think nothing else was needed?

Like what?

You're splitting hairs.

Does this WoWpedia categorization help your case for a new Dark Ranger class at all?

We know it is undefined, as they used to refer to Mekattorque as a Warrior.

Mountain King doesn't have its own spec, yet you attribute it to being a Fury Warrior despite Thunderclap and Avatar being Protection Talents. Stormbolt also appears in Fury, Arms and Protection, and you seem to have no problem continuing to identify it as Fury. Why the double standard here with Hunters having Wailing Arrow in multiple specs?

I mean, I said before Marksmanship would be the best fit since even Blizzard had Dark Ranger Velonara be represented as a Marksmanship Hunter in Wod as a follower. If Wailing Arrow is a BM talent then that doesn't really change anything, since Dark Rangers are Hunters, and not tied to any particular spec. We're just talking about what represents em best, the same way you attribute Fury to Mountain Kings even though Storm Bolt appears in every spec while Thunderclap is missing from the spec.

Dark Ranger is a type of Hunter. How you choose to represent that is purely through RP, same way you do if you want to play as a Mountain King. There is no single Warrior spec that perfectly represents the MK.

Sure. Then why does the Ranger fantasy belongs to the Survival spec and why did they take the Archer out of the MM description?

[Triceron]

We know it is undefined, as they used to refer to Mekattorque as a Warrior.

No, we know it is defined because Blizzard has literally linked Dark Rangers to Hunters through the Order Halls in Legion, the Followers in WoD and now the 9.2.5 storyline.

Mekkatorque being referred to as a "Warrior" was literally from the TCG. This was a connection made entirely outside of WoW. We're not talking about the TCG or other non-canon sources of Warcraft lore. If we were going that route, I'd make a point that Sylvanas is a Hunter Hero in Hearthstone, but clearly that isn't canonical to WoW.

Sure. Then why does the Ranger fantasy belongs to the Survival spec and why did they take the Archer out of the MM description?

"Ranger" in WoW has been used as a synonym for (Blood or High) Elven Hunter. Just like Vindicator or Blood Knight isn't any particular spec of Paladin, it's a racially specific type of Paladin.

I'm not sure why you're even attributing these titles to any one spec. You're literally asking for an explanation as to why Blizzard's talent changes fucked up your personal headcanon.

[Teriz]

How they shoot it is just a cosmetic matter.
They are Mages, period.

Well no. Does firing a stream of Arcane magic from your hands make you feel like a dragon? No, it makes you feel like a wizard shooting a stream of Arcane magic from their hands. I mean, playing as a fire mage doesn't make me feel like Alexstraza or Wrathion.

Meanwhile, shooting Wailing Arrow while having the appearance of an undead elf makes you feel like a Dark Ranger shooting Wailing Arrow. You have the look, and you have the ability. Unlike a dragon, there's nothing different about being an undead elf versus being a non-undead elf. There is a clear difference between a Mage and a Dragon in WoW. The difference between a Hunter and a Dark Ranger has always been minor to non-existent.

We're talking hypothetically. If Evoker was a Mage skin, and you would get 1 ability at best, with a cosmetic customization option, you wouldn't be so smug right now.

No, you asked who said that the Evoker deserved all of those abilities and their own class, and I told you who made that decision. It's simple, Blizzard decided that we needed a dragon class, and also decided that we didn't need a Dark Ranger class.

[username993720]

No, we know it is defined because Blizzard has literally linked Dark Rangers to Hunters through the Order Halls in Legion, the Followers in WoD and now the 9.2.5 storyline.

Mekkatorque being referred to as a "Warrior" was literally from the TCG. This was a connection made entirely outside of WoW. We're not talking about the TCG or other non-canon sources of Warcraft lore. If we were going that route, I'd make a point that Sylvanas is a Hunter Hero in Hearthstone, but clearly that isn't canonical to WoW.

Or that Cairne is a Hunter.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tauren_chieftain

"Ranger" in WoW has been used as a synonym for (Blood or High) Elven Hunter. Just like Vindicator or Blood Knight isn't any particular spec of Paladin, it's a racially specific type of Paladin.

I'm not sure why you're even attributing these titles to any one spec. You're literally asking for an explanation as to why Blizzard's talent changes fucked up your personal headcanon.

Vindicators are Protection Paladins, as strange as it would seem, while Blood Knights are likely Retribution. I've made threads delving into these kinds of things.

Well no. Does firing a stream of Arcane magic from your hands make you feel like a dragon? No, it makes you feel like a wizard shooting a stream of Arcane magic from their hands. I mean, playing as a fire mage doesn't make me feel like Alexstraza or Wrathion.

A cosmetic matter. Could be fixed with the Dracthyr race. One of the Evoker's abilities even looks like an Arcane Blast combined with Arcane Missiles.

Fire Mage literally has a Dragon's Breath ability and an Alextrasza's Fury talent.

Meanwhile, shooting Wailing Arrow while having the appearance of an undead elf makes you feel like a Dark Ranger shooting Wailing Arrow. You have the look, and you have the ability. Unlike a dragon, there's nothing different about being an undead elf versus being a non-undead elf. There is a clear difference between a Mage and a Dragon in WoW. The difference between a Hunter and a Dark Ranger has always been minor to non-existent.

You're talking one ability here. Where are all the shadowy, Rogue-like, abilities?
Is the Evoker defined by 1 spell only?

No, you asked who said that the Evoker deserved all of those abilities and their own class, and I told you who made that decision. It's simple, Blizzard decided that we needed a dragon class, and also decided that we didn't need a Dark Ranger class.

No, i said that if the Evoker was a class skin, what makes you think you'd get all of the abilities you are going to get?
If Dark Rangers got 1, you'd be facing the same situation with an Evoker customization option.

[Teriz]

A cosmetic matter. Could be fixed with the Dracthyr race. One of the Evoker's abilities even looks like an Arcane Blast combined with Arcane Missiles.

Well no, there's a mechanical aspect to it as well that Mage's can't replicate.

Fire Mage literally has a Dragon's Breath ability and an Alextrasza's Fury talent.

And neither gives you the feeling of being a dragon.

You're talking one ability here. Where are all the shadowy, Rogue-like, abilities?
Is the Evoker defined by 1 spell only?

As a Dark Ranger you don't need them. At their core, they're just archers, and the Hunter class provides that archery base. Blizzard isn't going to create an entirely new class that does exactly the same thing as the Hunter class, just with shadow damage instead of physical or nature damage.

No, i said that if the Evoker was a class skin, what makes you think you'd get all of the abilities you are going to get?
If Dark Rangers got 1, you'd be facing the same situation with an Evoker customization option.

That's the issue that you keep missing; The Evoker class also incorporates draconic abilities that require the actual body of a dragon, like Soar or Deep Breath that utilize the Dracthyr's wings and allow it to fly. It goes beyond simply cosmetics.

[Aucald]

This thread isn't about Dracthyr, specific characters, or what is or isn't X class - it's about Dark Ranger customization options. Let's return to the topic at hand and drop these derailing, tangent arguments.

[Triceron]

Vindicators are Protection Paladins, as strange as it would seem, while Blood Knights are likely Retribution. I've made threads delving into these kinds of things.

Sure. And these things are headcanon. You've made threads about headcanon.

[OMGTwitchTV]

This thread isn't about Dracthyr, specific characters, or what is or isn't X class - it's about Dark Ranger customization options. Let's return to the topic at hand and drop these derailing, tangent arguments.

Was kinda wondering when someone would pop in. Also, thanks to whomever changed the clickbait title which was inaccurate.

Staying SOLELY on topic about the customization itself, I wish there had been 2 versions of the chest, one with a hood down (so you could hide hood and then one with no hood so you could unhide hood. After all, it is a Hunter, so it kinda makes sense. Since you have to complete the quest chain specifically on a hunter just to unlock/purchase the set. The other thing I would have loved to see come with it was a (Cosmetic Only like the treasures in Zereth Mortis) Dark Ranger Bow/Quiver set much like the Windrunner Legion Artifact, except the bow, and the quiver n arrows would be black with grey trim.

[Hawkknight97]

I'm disappointed by the lack of Dark Ranger Customization Options. I mean it's just red eyes and one gray skin tune. I would love it if they add in more shades of skin tunes and even eye colors to add in the variety of the Dark Rangers heck make them rotten as well.

How do you guys feel about this. Don't get me wrong I'm happy We got Dark Ranger Options for so long it's just I wish it had more Variety.

[Ardenaso]

Grom isn't even a Blademaster, he's more of a brutish warrior and the only thing he has in common with the weeaboo orcs is the Bladestorm and perhaps Critical Strike if he hits too hard