1. #2161
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    You know how long it takes to get a fucking dentist appointment or other mundane shit in the US? I need two teeth extracted, and just to get the CONSULT took 2 months. The actual extraction isn't for another 3. In fucking 'Murrica land of the apparently-somehow-NOT-instant healthcare. And don't even ask me how much this'll cost me, WITH insurance.

    Heck, watch any fucking US doctor show on TV, it's FULL of scenes where patients go "I've been waiting out there for hours!". You think they all filmed that in Canada or something?

    Don't give me this "but but but waiting listttttt!" crap. It's a complete fabrication. Waiting for the doctor can always happen, no matter where you are. But ending up with thousands of dollars of medical debt for some common problem DOESN'T happen no matter where you are. In fact, out of all the advanced, first-world nations, it somehow ONLY seems to regularly happen in the US.
    He yells it's all a lie to someone who lives in it. topkek.

  2. #2162
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    He yells it's all a lie to someone who lives in it. topkek.
    I've lived all across the world. In all sorts of healthcare systems. Waiting for the doctor happens, period. No matter where you are.

    Don't paint this as though somehow Canadians or Europeans sit on their bursting appendix for 2 weeks while the government figures out who's next in line, and the US has a golden wheelchair waiting at your living room door to personally chauffeur you into the OR.

    US healthcare is exorbitantly expensive, and that's in NO proportion to the quality of the care OR its speed.

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    when did this turn into a healthcare pissing match?
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I've lived all across the world. In all sorts of healthcare systems. Waiting for the doctor happens, period. No matter where you are.

    Don't paint this as though somehow Canadians or Europeans sit on their bursting appendix for 2 weeks while the government figures out who's next in line, and the US has a golden wheelchair waiting at your living room door to personally chauffeur you into the OR.

    US healthcare is exorbitantly expensive, and that's in NO proportion to the quality of the care OR its speed.
    can you stop calling the American system 'healthcare' it's not at all, it's got nothing to do with 'care' whatsoever, it's designed entirely to milk money from people, it is the only 'for profit' medical system in the world, it is considered third world in almost every degree when compared with most first world countries around the globe, don't even get me started on the whole unregulated medicine portion of the business, it's disgusting, and anybody who tries to defend it needs to give their heads a wobble (not you but just saying in general).

    as to the topic of the thread, blizzard have been consistently losing money as well as other things for years now, they have taken the entire play book of monetisation and applied everything possible in this 'game', in a desperate last ditch attempt to grab as much cash as possible and like every other American company, short term gains = everything, long term = not thought about at all, it's standard American capitalism which is utterly broken, but you won't see the people getting filthy rich off the backs of the many slaves stuck in low paid work in the states complaining about anything.

  5. #2165
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Factually incorrect.

    Blizzard's games success comes from millions of players who went through their games over the course of existence. There is a strength in numbers aside from direct money conversion. 10k whales won't make hundreds of thousands views for Blizzard's products - the mass is good in this business. This is why MAUs and "engagement" is so important - it's people who can very easily hop to another product in the portfolio.

    There is a lot more to a business plan than just "find 10k whales and keep 'em".
    Yeah Blizzard's success came from that. There's a reason games fail with a sub and yet make bank when they switch to f2p. It ain't a million people paying for a convivence sub in ESO that made it make cash it was the people buying nearly 200$ homes and spending fuckloads on crown crates. MAU's are used to entice more people to play so they can potentially get more payers.

    Of course there is more to a business plan then just finding a group of whales and milking them dry. Companies want to make the most money they can. Thats why Mihoyo is making a space Genshin and a urban/punk genshin. They want to find more players that might want a different esthetic. And how Blizzard has return back to Wow events and shit. You seriously think the reason Blizzard created Diablo Immortal was to appeal to the masses and show appreciation to the fans they already had? No it was to make money and they didn't give a shit if the fans that gave them the success they already had got pissed off.

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    I genuinely don´t think that anyone at all who´s ever played a Blizzard game in the past (talking about 10+years ago) would defend this game. It´s utter shit, and then it takes the predatory design a step forward too.

    This is definitely not a good game, and neither does it have any values into it.

  7. #2167
    A fool and his money are easily parted.

    I can think of far better things to spend $110,000 on. College for the kids. Down payment on a new mortgage. 2 to 3 new cars. Stocks and crypto. Hookers and blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerrus View Post
    A fool and his money are easily parted.

    I can think of far better things to spend $110,000 on. College for the kids. Down payment on a new mortgage. 2 to 3 new cars. Stocks and crypto. Hookers and blow.
    If you literally throw gasoline over 100k and set fire to it, it would be more well spendt than a dime in DI.

  9. #2169
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Until the waiting list is too long or the service is so shitpoor that you end up going to a private hospital clinic anyways, paying premium for proper care.

    Sincerely, someone that lives in of those countries with the miraculous socialized healthcare.
    When you say you pay premium, you don't pay remotely close to what anyone pays in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerrus View Post
    A fool and his money are easily parted.

    I can think of far better things to spend $110,000 on. College for the kids. Down payment on a new mortgage. 2 to 3 new cars. Stocks and crypto. Hookers and blow.
    ...and a f2p game. Why stop at blow?

    But guess what? Not everyone wants a new mortgage, new cars, hookers and blow. For some the blow is a f2p game. And the kids might already be in college. Or no kids at all.

    People are so different and yet so self-absorbed.
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  11. #2171
    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    When you say you pay premium, you don't pay remotely close to what anyone pays in America.
    That's true. USA's healthcare is a prime example of predatory monetization. Which is so very fitting in this thread! haha

  12. #2172
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Yeah Blizzard's success came from that. There's a reason games fail with a sub and yet make bank when they switch to f2p. It ain't a million people paying for a convivence sub in ESO that made it make cash it was the people buying nearly 200$ homes and spending fuckloads on crown crates. MAU's are used to entice more people to play so they can potentially get more payers.

    Of course there is more to a business plan then just finding a group of whales and milking them dry. Companies want to make the most money they can. Thats why Mihoyo is making a space Genshin and a urban/punk genshin. They want to find more players that might want a different esthetic. And how Blizzard has return back to Wow events and shit. You seriously think the reason Blizzard created Diablo Immortal was to appeal to the masses and show appreciation to the fans they already had? No it was to make money and they didn't give a shit if the fans that gave them the success they already had got pissed off.
    there is a very distinct difference though between those $200 dollar houses and crown crates and what Diablo immortal is doing. and that difference is - those houses and crap in crates? either either cosmetic or equivalent to in game crafted stuff (like pots and food) and you are neither capped on how much you can craft, nor is it particularly difficult to do. oh and you get crowns for every month of subscription. but in the end - its STILL cosmetic and you do NOT in any way, shape or form need to utilize cash shop EVER in order for your character to perform. you have in game gold houses to buy and one of the manors is even free/quest based.

    in DI? if you want to be competitive? cash shop is a requirement. majority of stuff sold in the shop affects performance and advancement of your character directly. heck even if you don't want to be competitive and just want to play through solo stuff.... getting to those higher difficulties (as in being able to play through them with any degree of smoothness) is much harder if you are upgrading at a f2p pace.

  13. #2173
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    in DI? if you want to be competitive? cash shop is a requirement.
    Not gonna lie, was hilarious to see Bajheera do battlegrounds and, after a nice montage and all that, several proclamations of amazing fun... and, at the end of the video, a nice scoreboard of 7/7/2.

  14. #2174
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    That's true. USA's healthcare is a prime example of predatory monetization. Which is so very fitting in this thread! haha
    Except Healthcare is a must for everyone, DI is not.

    There are many alternative for DI.
    The close one is Diablo 2/3 and POE.

  15. #2175
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    ...and a f2p game. Why stop at blow?

    But guess what? Not everyone wants a new mortgage, new cars, hookers and blow. For some the blow is a f2p game. And the kids might already be in college. Or no kids at all.

    People are so different and yet so self-absorbed.
    Or you could give it to a F2P game that gives you actual value for your money.

    Which is basically any of them compared to DI.
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  16. #2176
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I've lived all across the world. In all sorts of healthcare systems. Waiting for the doctor happens, period. No matter where you are.

    Don't paint this as though somehow Canadians or Europeans sit on their bursting appendix for 2 weeks while the government figures out who's next in line, and the US has a golden wheelchair waiting at your living room door to personally chauffeur you into the OR.

    US healthcare is exorbitantly expensive, and that's in NO proportion to the quality of the care OR its speed.
    I mean, locally we have this social healthcare and sizzle and you pay almost nothing aside from Healthcare tax, but the moment you need a specialist like dermatologist or orthopedics - you will pay like something funny like 5 bucks for a visit but you will wait for 1-3 months.

    Or you can slap 100-200 bucks and get it literally tomorrow.

    Now US is all kinds of fucked for sure, because you let corporations run the show and any prospective specialist needs to give out arm and leg to get the degree and qualification.

    But European style healthcare has its own issues. Though thankfully you won't be ending up with thousands of dollars bills for just any mundane crap.

    For example I had some mismatch between positioning of upper and lower jaw and it required surgery with titanium plates and all inside my mouth and 4 years of alignment with dozens of visits.

    I paid a total or about 500 bucks for it and thats mostly imaging xrays because funnily of all things that was not covered. The rest was included in Healthcare provisions and covered by the state. The actual cost around ~35k USD.
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  17. #2177
    Quote Originally Posted by xenogear3 View Post
    Except Healthcare is a must for everyone, DI is not.

    There are many alternative for DI.
    The close one is Diablo 2/3 and POE.
    I dunno about POE

    Strictly speaking its not pay to win, POE literally sells storage space in their game.

    Ever notice how every expansion has a crap ton of bits of stuff you have to collect and organize and deal with, and then magically, POE is there to sell you specially organized storage spaces for it all for a price.

    So yeah, POE is technically free to play, and its not pay to win, but I don't think your gonna get real far without buying storage space.

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    Former Blizzard dev David Fried also had to call out its monetisation:


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    There's so much that's sad about this.

    1. Wasted potential - They could have made this a great mobile game. Make legendary crests earnable in game. Make everything tied to player power be earnable only. I begrudgingly say that a cosmetic cash shop would be fine (even though in multi player games, part of the point is looking cool in front of everyone else, so in a way, looking cool is "winning").

    2. Wasted reputation - People are going to be skeptical about all future Blizzard releases. They say that the Diablo IV cash shop is "designed around" cosmetics, but they never said that there wouldn't be player power in the cash shop. 5 years ago, I might have looked at that and said "Oh yeah, it'll only be cosmetics". But after "We won't sell gear in the shop" "Well legendary gems aren't GEAR!" and numerous other ways that Blizzard is trying to play coy with the wording of their statements, it's ruined their reputation for being honest. Everyone knows that Blizzard lies and breaks promises by using manipulative wording now. They've traded their reputation for cash.

    3. Wasted time - Everyone who's played this game will be quitting soon. There's already huge player drop off going on right now. D:I will have the same problem that open world full loot PvP games have. People want them because they think they will be the lions and everyone else will be the sheep, when in reality there's always a bigger predator. Everyone thinks they'll be a PvP god until they get repeatedly stomped into the ground. Then they quit. There's always a bigger whale. PvP in D:I is a joke. Whales utterly demolish, and free to play players stand no chance. Even people who have spent a couple of thousand dollars on this game lose to the 10k+ whales with little effort. Once all of those players quit (and they will, nobody wants to lose to whales 8 hours a day) then PvP will die. The whales will have no one to show off to, and they too will eventually quit when there's no one else left.



    I have to wonder why posters like @Elim Garak defend this garbage and go "You just hate it because you're poor". My counter is, "You only like it because you suck at video games". Video games for most people are an escape from reality, and shouldn't be a reminder that their life sucks. In video games, everyone is on equal footing and it is your skill and dedication that create satisfying gameplay. Pay to win games like D:I exist for people who are bad at video games and have a lot of money to burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pahbi View Post
    I dunno about POE

    Strictly speaking its not pay to win, POE literally sells storage space in their game.

    Ever notice how every expansion has a crap ton of bits of stuff you have to collect and organize and deal with, and then magically, POE is there to sell you specially organized storage spaces for it all for a price.

    So yeah, POE is technically free to play, and its not pay to win, but I don't think your gonna get real far without buying storage space.
    I would love it if Blizz would sell me more stash space for Diablo 3 instead of expecting me to grind for it.

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