Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[Jtbrig7390]

I got 0,3% user score on meta critic, when that score should be 90%+, it really makes me upset.

You shouldn't be upset that a game gets any kind of score unless you are a shareholder. The game could be the next coming of Jesus but because it has a shit monetization system that will weight it down. A rotten apple spoils the bunch and even if everything else was perfect the monetization is still part of the game and it will be judged on it.

If you like the game fine go play it and stop trying to defend it cause others (and it seems a vast majority's) opinion on it is different than yours.

[Witchblade77]

this game honestly has two things going for it. combat is fun, but it also happens to be essentially D3 combat slightly sped up or so it feels like at the moment. and its a new story in a diablo world, even though its relatively short and side stories are mostly repetitive. but once you finish the story, what is there left? and yes you can say there isn't much left in D3 either, but at least if I'm into the whole collecting loot thing - D3 actualy drops it. and if I want to try harder difficulties, I'm not forced to group for them I can even craft a lot of the gear, including sets - something DI doesn't have.

pvp you say? well... if not for that whole p2w system, you have highly limited times when you can even participate in pvp at all and if you cannot play during those times, you are fucked, and then there IS a p2w system on top of that.

the game is fun for a bit and then you realize just how shallow and tedious it gets and... /shrug. monetization in DI is awful. but... its not even close to an amazing game even if you take it out of equation

[Itisamuh]

Wait, are you really so dumb to believe this? Wow. All onn/newsmax has to do is feed you shit sprinkled poop flakes and you’d call it the best thing since sliced bread. Go do some research yourself. Biden has been a rather ineffective president, but weakest? Absolutely not. And trump was among the worst presidents objectively speaking. Primarily due to his lack of respect of the constitution and lack of morality.
But you keep drinking that poop flavored coolaid with a shit stained mustache and smile and call it the best drink ever!

Another person who has no idea what "objectively" means. There seems to be a lot of those on this forum. Trump was a thousand times better than Biden or Obama.

However, on the actual topic, I have to agree with the majority here. Regardless of how fun it may be, the greedy pay to win model is impossible to ignore.

[Veggie50]

No, it's objective by the data. Bad systems don't survive. Therefore the current systems are creme de la creme. Your opinion of them is subjective though. As is mine.

This only works if you define “good” to mean “profittable”.

[kranur]

this game honestly has two things going for it. combat is fun, but it also happens to be essentially D3 combat slightly sped up or so it feels like at the moment. and its a new story in a diablo world, even though its relatively short and side stories are mostly repetitive. but once you finish the story, what is there left? and yes you can say there isn't much left in D3 either, but at least if I'm into the whole collecting loot thing - D3 actualy drops it. and if I want to try harder difficulties, I'm not forced to group for them I can even craft a lot of the gear, including sets - something DI doesn't have.

pvp you say? well... if not for that whole p2w system, you have highly limited times when you can even participate in pvp at all and if you cannot play during those times, you are fucked, and then there IS a p2w system on top of that.

the game is fun for a bit and then you realize just how shallow and tedious it gets and... /shrug. monetization in DI is awful. but... its not even close to an amazing game even if you take it out of equation

This pretty much. All Diablo games suffer from the exact same problem and that is no meaningful endgame.
You get better gear, turn the difficulty up, get better gear, turn the difficulty up, get better gear, turn the difficulty up and so on. The big problem is that difficulty 1 is the same shit as difficulty 10000, with only higher numbers, so there's little to no point to keep going. D2 at least had the resistances and stuff which made it a little different.
D:I had a chance because it has PvP, but since the P2W elements are not disabled in PvP it's just pure shit. Like wtf is the point to pvp if the biggest factor to success is which team spent the most money?

[Elim Garak]

This only works if you define “good” to mean “profittable”.

Wrong. You have to go a level above profits - to see what's actually profitable. Bad games are not profitable, and if a bad game developer goes with the "box price" scam to sell a piece of shit by hyping the nonexistent game (these things happened in the past) they get scorched. Similar things happen with crowdfunding, *cough* star citizen *cough*

So if a game is profitable, and it's not a box price scam - it's objectively good game. Even if you don't like it. That's just your subjective taste.

[PC2]

I finally got my character up to paragon level 100! I do think they are improving the progression system for each Diablo game and I think that some of the new features in Diablo Immortal will make it into Diablo 4.

I just looked at my credit card statement and found that I've spent on average $15 a week. People act like this is bad because it's more costly than an average game, but personally I'm glad to be funding a MMORPG. That's what pays the developers and gives them incentive to make more content.

[Veggie50]

Wrong. You have to go a level above profits - to see what's actually profitable. Bad games are not profitable, and if a bad game developer goes with the "box price" scam to sell a piece of shit by hyping the nonexistent game (these things happened in the past) they get scorched. Similar things happen with crowdfunding, *cough* star citizen *cough*

So if a game is profitable, and it's not a box price scam - it's objectively good game. Even if you don't like it. That's just your subjective taste.

“Wrong, …[proceeds to equate good to profitable]

[Elim Garak]

“Wrong, …[proceeds to equate good to profitable]

Wrong. Try reading again. Start with the book Logic 101.
Not every good game is profitable but every profitable (non-scam) game is good.

[RobertoCarlos]

I finally got my character up to paragon level 100! I do think they are improving the progression system for each Diablo game and I think that some of the new features in Diablo Immortal will make it into Diablo 4.

I just looked at my credit card statement and found that I've spent on average $15 a week. People act like this is bad because it's more costly than an average game, but personally I'm glad to be funding a MMORPG. That's what pays the developers and gives them incentive to make more content.

When WoW was making its record profits that didnt translate into more content.

It translates into bonuses for high brass at the company and shareholders invested

[T-34]

When WoW was making its record profits that didnt translate into more content.

It translates into bonuses for high brass at the company and shareholders invested

Exactly. Companies don't exist to make "good products". They exist to make profits for their owners. And the more profit the better.
And the goods and service they provide aren't the goal, they are the means to make profit.

People should stop being little children and treat Blizzard as their best buddy who betrayed them.
People should grow up and treat Blizzard just like their internet provider or grocery store.

[Nymrohd]

This pretty much. All Diablo games suffer from the exact same problem and that is no meaningful endgame.
You get better gear, turn the difficulty up, get better gear, turn the difficulty up, get better gear, turn the difficulty up and so on. The big problem is that difficulty 1 is the same shit as difficulty 10000, with only higher numbers, so there's little to no point to keep going. D2 at least had the resistances and stuff which made it a little different.
D:I had a chance because it has PvP, but since the P2W elements are not disabled in PvP it's just pure shit. Like wtf is the point to pvp if the biggest factor to success is which team spent the most money?

The meaningful endgame of DI is the Cycle of Strife. A small part of it is PvP.

[Ghost of Cow]

Damn calling D:I a scam game is legit, probably one of the better descriptors for it.

Oh do tell, what exactly is the "scam" part?

Is the game taking your money without permission?

Are the purchases not as described?

[Ghost of Cow]

take it up with:

D:I is not a good game, ergo it has to be a scam game by this logic. QED

Ah, so no answer. Got it.

[Elim Garak]

DI is not a scam game and it's profitable therefore it's good.

[Elim Garak]

First of all, nothing in what I said suggests that a scam game is automatically bad. A good game can be used as a bait in a scam.
Second. I was specifically talking about "box price" scam.
Lastly. DI is free to play.

So, in what way DI is a scam? And how does that mean it's a bad game?

[Aucald]

This thread isn't about President Biden, Donald Trump, or any other unrelated real-world politics. Return to the topic at hand: discussing Diablo: Immortal.

[Elim Garak]

I advise you to go read again that bit where I say that a profitable scam game is automatically good. It should take you forever to find that bit, enough for your strawman to dissolve into fertilizer.

[Ghost of Cow]

Speaking of "misappropriating words", TIL that completely free game is a scam.

Seriously, a lot of you have simply had stupid arguments. I mean, dislike D:I, dislike MTX, that's fine. That's your view, and that's fine.

But your arguments about it just get stupider and stupider. Some of you keep trying to find some way to make your views on it into this cosmic truth, and it gets worse and worse with every iteration.

[Popastique]

Dunno if someone mentioned it or not - but apparently DI was released in China earlier today