Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[rhorle]

Thats specifically why I said post 2016 because overwatch came out in 2016, their last actual game that wasnt just a venue to drain money from walking and talking bank accounts.

So are we just ignoring the selling of skins whose entire purpose exists just to drain money? It is amusing how things are different when you like the game.

[RobertoCarlos]

You just whined about trying to find a game that doesn't have MTX, then when I said there are thousands you basically asked, "What has Blizz made?"

So yeah, sounds like you're limiting yourself to just Blizzard for some reason. If you don't want MTX you can play literally like 99% of games out there.

Dude you're not even countering my point or addressing anything meaningful.

Im talking about blizzard. I dont care what every tom dick and harry is doing. I miss blizzard games that once were industry leaders not a mockery. Why is that hard to understand.

I already have moved onto other games, of course thats the answer im not a masochist. But your attitude of "who cares theyre shit just go elsewhere" really annoys me and its why they've gotten away with it for so long and why we're at this point and have the product of diablo immortal which is everything people like you said wouldnt happen back when they introduced cosmetics into a game that already had a sub

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So are we just ignoring the selling of skins whose entire purpose exists just to drain money? It is amusing how things are different when you like the game.

I dont like overwatch, but you cant deny its value for money if you're a fan of FPS. Value for money, key concept here.

Whats why this game is free to play to give the impression of value of money while being riddled with MTX researched gimmicks and is guilty of them all.

[Ghost of Cow]

Dude you're not even countering my point or addressing anything meaningful.

You didn't have a point, you just bitched about games having MTX.

Im talking about blizzard. I dont care what every tom dick and harry is doing. I miss blizzard games that once were industry leaders not a mockery. Why is that hard to understand.

So vote with your wallet. Stop obsessing over one company for whatever reason. Go buy...like...literally ANY other game.

I already have moved onto other games, of course thats the answer im not a masochist. But your attitude of "who cares theyre shit just go elsewhere" really annoys me and its why they've gotten away with it for so long and why we're at this point and have the product of diablo immortal which is everything people like you said wouldnt happen back when they introduced cosmetics into a game that already had a sub

Again, vote with your wallet. What else are you gonna do? Stand on a street corner with a sign saying "THE END IS COMING"? Get a bunch of angry nerds together and storm Blizz HQ?

Act like a fucking mature adult and just don't give money to things you don't like.

[RobertoCarlos]

You didn't have a point, you just bitched about games having MTX.



So vote with your wallet. Stop obsessing over one company for whatever reason. Go buy...like...literally ANY other game.



Again, vote with your wallet. What else are you gonna do? Stand on a street corner with a sign saying "THE END IS COMING"? Get a bunch of angry nerds together and storm Blizz HQ?

Act like a fucking mature adult and just don't give money to things you don't like.

Ah yes its "obsessing" now to point out reality. My bad. You seem more worked up about it than me with the childish insults to be honest.

[MoanaLisa]

Dunno about Lost Ark ( again, it is not mobile-related ) but almost every competetive mobile title has PVP-influenced p2w system and f2p do not survive there.
You may argue that DI launched on PC, but that was done to ... i don't know why Probably get even more money from people who do not play mobile games and have no idea about monetization schemes.

They did a PC version at the last because so many people bitched about a Diablo game for mobile only. Honestly I think the PC client is a mistake since it was released in a clear beta version. The game plays better on a phone or tablet since it was designed for that.

The rest of the thread is pretty much people airing out the opinions they’ve had for over three years. I’m not a fan of the revenue model but it’s fairly standard for mobile. As for the ethics thing, ethics are personal. It says something bad about gaming that it has devolved to this but for most of the planet the ethics are not really a question or issue. As always, buyer beware, play smart, enjoy what you can. Don’t be stupid. Absolutely do not let anyone tell you what you should and shouldn’t like.

[PC2]

It's good to know that you're in favor of abusive practices

Blizzard isn't abusing anybody with the microtransaction business model in DI. You can't point to a single person who has been abused.

which prey upon people with gambling disorders and IGD. This reflects very well on your character.

The person with a gambling disorder is 100% at fault. That's got nothing to do with Blizzard and NetEase.

[MoanaLisa]

The biggest issue with all this complaining is it's mostly just people making things up or exaggerations being taken seriously. It makes it hard to tell what's actually true. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people blatantly lie just to discourage someone from playing the game like claiming you can't finish the story unless you pay money.

The game is free to try. People should find out for themselves rather than believe anything posted here since most of the thread is about picking fights rather than being informative.

My own opinion? Fun enough. Store prompts are easy to dismiss. It’s possible to progress and have fun without spending anything. Anyone surprised and offended by them is either oblivious to what practically everyone has known for years or is being terribly dishonest. Play it on a tablet if you can. The PC client needs a lot of improvement since the game was designed for mobile devices. The PC client feels like a square peg in a round hole. It’s there but shows its faults. Blizzard will likely fix it but it’s not a PC game at the end of the day.

[james2400]

One thing this thread proves is the same people who support this would support MTX in WoW such as buying gear and getting a better chance at getting drops from Boss Kills.

[everydaygamer]

One thing this thread proves is the same people who support this would support MTX in WoW such as buying gear and getting a better chance at getting drops from Boss Kills.

This is such a nonsense take you can't even buy gear in this game so how does that prove you'd support it in another.

This is the kind if nonsense I'm talking about.

[PC2]

One thing this thread proves is the same people who support this would support MTX in WoW such as buying gear and getting a better chance at getting drops from Boss Kills.

I mean if WoW was free and didn't have a subscription cost then they would have to do something like that and it would be justified. Otherwise the company would go out of business.

[Cracked]

This is such a nonsense take you can't even buy gear in this game so how does that prove you'd support it in another.

This is the kind if nonsense I'm talking about.

Ah, well, shifting goal posts is always fun. I can totally see you supporting buying bonus roll tokens in WoW though.

[MoanaLisa]

One thing this thread proves is the same people who support this would support MTX in WoW such as buying gear and getting a better chance at getting drops from Boss Kills.

I think you’re right for what it’s worth. MTX is all about convenience and convenience is #1 with a lot of gamers. People are like that. Markets change. Successful games change with them. The rest suffer declining interest and fall behind the market. I’m making a point but it’s not at all the same point you’ve trying to make in criticizing players and developers. Too many people are pretending that Blizzard was like a friend. Hard talk: They are not and never have been. They have always done what they thought was best for them.

[kranur]

The game is free to try. People should find out for themselves rather than believe anything posted here since most of the thread is about picking fights rather than being informative.

My own opinion? Fun enough. Store prompts are easy to dismiss. It’s possible to progress and have fun without spending anything. Anyone surprised and offended by them is either oblivious to what practically everyone has known for years or is being terribly dishonest. Play it on a tablet if you can. The PC client needs a lot of improvement since the game was designed for mobile devices. The PC client feels like a square peg in a round hole. It’s there but shows its faults. Blizzard will likely fix it but it’s not a PC game at the end of the day.

This is actually true. The game feels fun to play (outside of the crashes and garbage PC UI) and it's perfectly playable without spending any money. I got to Paragon 5 and so far had 0 restrictions to do content, 0 ads and 0 need to spend any money. Will see if this changes later on, though it's more likely that I'll just get bored.

Now if for some reason you want to be super competitive and have the best (don't think it's possible even if you spend 100k+ euros) or close to that, then yes, you need to throw away A LOT of money.

[gaaara]

it looks alright, visually some of the little things they updated compared to d3 is also pretty nice, its like a d3 patch.
Downsides is obviously the power gains of a f2p vs shop. The numbers don't lie. The way how everything you purchase is setup...is just disgusting. (Again not a mobile gamer so not sure how that all works)
For me, i hope the influence of the shop doesn't play into D4. D4 as long as cosmetic stuff in the shop ill be ok, but if they decide on the F2P path or a mix of PAY+Shop....thats Diablo pretty much dead.

On one side Blizzard had a good chance to really come out on top for Diablo Immortal...but nope...$_$ is the way, as long as whales exists the name will be milked.

[RobertoCarlos]

I think you’re right for what it’s worth. MTX is all about convenience and convenience is #1 with a lot of gamers. People are like that. Markets change. Successful games change with them. The rest suffer declining interest and fall behind the market. I’m making a point but it’s not at all the same point you’ve trying to make in criticizing players and developers. Too many people are pretending that Blizzard was like a friend. Hard talk: They are not and never have been. They have always done what they thought was best for them.

Ah yes one of those passive aggressive types. I see you use it well. Being industry leaders to toilet dump is not being confused for a company being your bestie.

I can see how ye managed to lose mod status which is an impressive feat as they can't find em to save themselves

[gaaara]

This is such a nonsense take you can't even buy gear in this game so how does that prove you'd support it in another.

This is the kind if nonsense I'm talking about.

Odd...you can't directly buy gear, however you can buy everything else to make that gear.

[Ghost of Cow]

I think you’re right for what it’s worth. MTX is all about convenience and convenience is #1 with a lot of gamers. People are like that. Markets change. Successful games change with them. The rest suffer declining interest and fall behind the market. I’m making a point but it’s not at all the same point you’ve trying to make in criticizing players and developers. Too many people are pretending that Blizzard was like a friend. Hard talk: They are not and never have been. They have always done what they thought was best for them.

Well, if WoW remained a Sub Price + Box Price game, I wouldn't be behind that of course.

I'm actually still shocked that after all these years people give subscription based games a pass. Especially with box prices AND cash shops on top of it. I often find that to be much more egregious than a F2P game selling someone a loot box.

I feel like if people really totaled up what they paid for WoW, they'd be surprised. Especially when you consider the "cost" of each content patch.

[Magical Mudcrab]

The person with a gambling disorder is 100% at fault. That's got nothing to do with Blizzard and NetEase.

Who would have thought that the person who regularly appeals to pseudo science and always makes appeals to their own ignorance would be dismissive of people with gambling disorders. I guess we should take this "let's not care about mental health" thing to its logical conclusion and assume you don't care about rates of suicide amongst people with depression either because it would be "100% their fault".

[rhorle]

I dont like overwatch, but you cant deny its value for money if you're a fan of FPS. Value for money, key concept here.

So then it isn't about predatory micro transactions, pay to win, or anything else you've spent the last few pages talking about. It is about value for money. Using your key concept Diablo Immortal is fine because it offers great value for money. You can experience it all with out paying at all. You can progress to Paragon 600 with out paying and see all the game has to offer. You could even potentially be the Immortal or a Shadow member that fights the Immortals all with out paying.

And yet you still trash Diablo Immortal even when it offers great value for your money.

[RobertoCarlos]

So then it isn't about predatory micro transactions, pay to win, or anything else you've spent the last few pages talking about. It is about value for money. Using your key concept Diablo Immortal is fine because it offers great value for money. You can experience it all with out paying at all. You can progress to Paragon 600 with out paying and see all the game has to offer. You could even potentially be the Immortal or a Shadow member that fights the Immortals all with out paying.

And yet you still trash Diablo Immortal even when it offers great value for your money.

Yeah that all sounds great right, Why would someone hate on a free game??

In a perfect world, Overwatch would not have lootboxes and that time they they had spent on that cosmetic work was rewarded in game through trophies or challenges.

Likewise I'd rather just outright buy Diablo Immortal so that time they had spent designing mobile phone daily log in gimmicks with MTX dialed up to 11 to not only justify its production cost which btw was outsourced on the cheap to china but to milk unlimited monetary value with the latest researched gimmicks designed to target addicts they instead made it good.

But yea overwatch because i was being generous saying blizz actually made a decent game in the last 10 years. They didnt even make this one. Whataboutism again.