Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[Fencers]

I found this appropriate:

[The Stormbringer]

This game has some of the most disgusting, predatory, psychology-abusing pay-to-win bullshit that I've ever seen. I will play the story mode, for free, and then uninstall this game until there's another story update. I will not pay a single cent on this game, and I strongly advise everyone else to do the same. To give them money is to encourage more of this bullshit in the future, to tell them that it's acceptable. Please do not do that.

[Ghost of Cow]

It's pretty clear that the point of this and other threads is to fight with people, not listen or learn anything. I guess that's fine but doesn't help anyone that's trying to learn anything about the game. Luckily it's free so people can just pick it up and play it; decide for themselves.

This thread is like the embodiment of the, "STOP HAVING FUN" meme, honestly.

[PC2]

I found this appropriate:

[video=youtube_share;4zQdusAXmNs]https://youtu.be/4zQdusAXmNs[video]

Encouraging players to pay for a F2P game isn't immoral though. Blizz could charge any amount for any digital content and it still wouldn't be immoral.

[Makabreska]

So like, DI breaks download records, I think:

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-immor...y-store-327277

[Jerot]

It also doesn't help that streamers made up a number that noone can really confirm but will happily rally around.

The crest/gem odds are public, you can see for yourself, as well as the numbers required for upgrades, and the eternal orb costs of everything. You can easily do the math and verify them, like I did earlier in the thread.

[probert]

So like, DI breaks download records, I think:

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-immor...y-store-327277

Jesus wept.

[klaps_05]

I find it hilarious that wowhead are disabling comments on diablo immortal posts. Show a bit of spine, jesus. The more this is discussed on more boards, the better.

[rhorle]

So like, DI breaks download records, I think:

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-immor...y-store-327277

That isn't any indication of a record. It is just the top free games for the week/period. Candy Crush Saga for example has 250 million people that play it more the once a month. Could DI have broken a record? Maybe. But it is pretty easy for a high-profile game to top the charts in its release week.

It is currently 8th on the Top Grossing chart so it will be interesting to see if it climbs anymore.

[Rawrajishxc]

So like, DI breaks download records, I think:

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-immor...y-store-327277

Not really, there's been hundreds of top #1 gacha mobile games that have shut down in less than a year.

[Terminatrix]

One of the things I found quite funny when trying it was when I cleared a dungeon for the first time my REWARD is a discount bundle in the shop. My reward for clearing a dungeon is the opportunity to spend money. Oh but at a discount, ya know cus they want you to be used to spending money early. Even if it's just a little. Get that taste.

From what I briefly saw of the game and the videos I have seen of others playing Blizzard has doubled down on every predatory, disgusting behaviour that P2W games have. The mental tricks of luring people in with rewards, dailies, small free tastes of what it'd be play to spend money, cheap 1-time only bundles to get you into spending just a little to get the ball rolling, every penny spent is some form of gambling mechanic to get those gambling addicts hooked etc. etc... Every mechanic in the game, every prompt, every action is designed with trying to get the player to spend money ahead of anything else.

Diablo Immortal is everything bad about current-gen games, games whos mechanics are more focused on mental warefare with the player to make as much money as possible and it saddens me than the company and game at the forefront of all these disgusting behavours is both the company and game series that I once loved.

I understand companies exist to make money, but that doesn't excuse disgusting behaviour and these predatory mechanics are exactly that. I just want game companies to be about making good games again. People should spend money on your game because your game is good and they want to support it, not because they was coaxed into spending it.

you do know immortal is a mobile game app and like all mobile game its a cash grab. they put it on pc but at its base core its design as a mobile cash game

[Jerot]

This thread is like the embodiment of the, "STOP HAVING FUN" meme, honestly.

Did anyone say you are wrong for enjoying the game? The overwhelming majority of the criticism I've seen has been towards Blizzard and the monetization, not other players. We've pointed out reasons why many players might not enjoy it, but if they aren't applicable to you, good for you!

Is it impossible to critique simply because it's a mobile game? No one is allowed to talk about something they wish was better, or why they don't like something, positive opinions only?

[uuuhname]

T
-It's not a predatory business model. There's nothing unethical about it.

$110,000 to max out a character.

OR

spend the equivalent of ten years playing the game.


what are you talking about.

[Elim Garak]

The overwhelming majority of the criticism

From the underwhelming minority who wants to prevent the overwhelming majority from having fun by state regulations.

- - - Updated - - -

$110,000 to max out a character.

OR

spend the equivalent of ten years playing the game.


what are you talking about.

Certainly not false dichotomies.

[PC2]

$110,000 to max out a character.

OR

spend the equivalent of ten years playing the game.

what are you talking about.

But why do you think that's immoral? Non-paying gamers are fortunate to get anything over any time period...

As far as the money I don't think you should be able to beat the game with $110k or $110 billion because the game system should be designed with the potential for infinite progression, imo.

[uuuhname]

Certainly not false dichotomies.

that's the amount of time or money you need to max out a character's stats. what the fuck are you talking about dichotomies here.

imagine this was any anime gacha game and ya'll would be calling this a scam.

[rhorle]

$110,000 to max out a character. OR spend the equivalent of ten years playing the game. what are you talking about.

Is it unethical for a game to require long grinds for best in slot when there is no pay to win? Because that is the argument you are making. It shouldn't only be unethical when options to skip it exist. Do we know that the grind would be substantially different if pay to win didn't exist? Or would Legendary crests/gems still be a slow trickle to prolong the life of the game?

[Xilurm]

But why do you think that's immoral? Non-paying gamers are fortunate to get anything over any time period...

As far as the money I don't think you should be able to beat the game with $110k or $110 billion because the game system should be designed with the potential for infinite progression, imo.

I wonder if people will celebrate when games are eventually going to have ads every 10 mins, and cost 150 dollars/euros to buy?

Oh why is that even a question, of course they will.

[uuuhname]

Is it unethical for a game to require long grinds for best in slot when there is no pay to win?

it is when the alterative is thousands of dollars you are being bilked out of.

it is in my eyes very unethical.

[Elim Garak]

that's the amount of time or money you need to max out a character's stats. what the fuck are you talking about dichotomies here.

imagine this was any anime gacha game and ya'll would be calling this a scam.

First of all, only one option is correct: the amount of money you need to max your character RIGHT NOW.

Second: the other option is absolutely incorrect. No one knows how much time it would take to max out a character without paying. There's no math to be done because there's not enough data to make it. We don't know the future and how the game will change. And certainly you cannot spend 10 years RIGHT NOW.

Lastly: there are an infinite amount of all sorts of options in between. For instance, pay $60 total and play for a year - and you will max out your character if you start now.