Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[everydaygamer]

can I complain as someone who did buy a thing? is that allowed? cause I'm having serious regrets right now and I only spent $5. why you ask? because I'm realizing that the main thing I spent that $5 for - to unlock the paid track on battlepass and specificaly rank 40 outfit? I will likely will not get to with normal play. and I've been playing for couple of hours each day and I'm barely edging to rank 12 in battlepass, while the amount of points you need to reach each new rank - steadily increases. why am I complaining you ask? becasue its pretty fucking obvious to me that the goal here is to get me to spend MORE money to unlock the ranks I won't be able to reach naturally because I already have a sunk cost involved there.

combat in the game is so fun. it looks good. pc port is actualy pretty good. and then... there is monetization. you all arguing how its not predatory? when even the littlest things are nickel and dimed? oy.....

and yes I will keep playing for as long as I am having fun and while I'm doing so I'm basically learning to accept that whatever premium track rewards i WILL manage to unlock, are just going to have to be good enough, because while I have originally, genuinely considered buying their version of a monthly sub? I no longer want to give them a single penny more, not in its current state.

You still have alot of time to reach 40, it shouldn't be a problem. But in the future if this is a concern for you, and this generally works with any battlepass, just wait until you're sure you can max it out before buying. I like to wait until I reach a high rank before cashing in.

[Vorkreist]

Except it's not.

Nothing about D:I MTX is lying to you.

How can you spout this bullshit ? Have you creepy lootbox gambling glorifiers completely lost your mind ?

The game is filled with misleading and specially designed psychological tricks to get you to spend more and more. Even the 0.89 crap is a clever way to make you get used to paying for similar stuff if you weren't the type already. Oh its just 0.89 basically nothing. Next pop out with 2.99 , oh well its still not that much I just bought the 0.89 . Tomorrow 9.99 popout for super duper legendary gem rolls and so forth . And you creeps somehow imagine you can defend this abusive shit. Gtfo

[Witchblade77]

You still have alot of time to reach 40, it shouldn't be a problem. But in the future if this is a concern for you, and this generally works with any battlepass, just wait until you're sure you can max it out before buying. I like to wait until I reach a high rank before cashing in.

see the only other game with a battlepass/season thing that I played with any regularity before was Division 2. and in D2 - everything, absolutely EVERYTHING levels your seasonal progress, so I had no idea this was going to be that much of an issue. your xp in D2 = seasonal xp, so I just played how I felt and still made progress. in DI? you have to complete specific tasks each day to make progress. so its on me not researching in advance just how messed up their setup for it, but I guess I just didn't expect Blizzard, even modern Blizzard - to go THAT far.

[rhorle]

If you play the game without buying legendary crests or any of the other 86 forms of monetization in the game, progress is so absurdly slow as to be pointless. You are talking about taking months just to get chance at a modicum of progression. They hit you with a brick wall very quickly.

That isn't true. Outside of Legendary gems you two main forms of progress are Paragon and Legacy of the Horadrim. You don't hit a wall though it will quickly take several days to upgrade the Legacy gems if you don't buy platinum. Paragon and Legendary items progress just well. The "brick wall" is much exaggerated and just fear mongering.

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see the only other game with a battlepass/season thing that I played with any regularity before was Division 2. and in D2 - everything, absolutely EVERYTHING levels your seasonal progress, so I had no idea this was going to be that much of an issue. your xp in D2 = seasonal xp, so I just played how I felt and still made progress. in DI? you have to complete specific tasks each day to make progress. so its on me not researching in advance just how messed up their setup for it, but I guess I just didn't expect Blizzard, even modern Blizzard - to go THAT far.

The specific tasks are just playing the different parts of the game. They will feature a task that gives 2x battle points but it isn't required at all. I'm already rank 23 on the battle pass and there has been 1-2 days I didn't play since I got 60. For example today bounties get 2x battle points and the first 8 you do go towards the battle pass. That is 128 (Edit: changed my math error from 1024 to the proper amount) points for one task. The only thing holding you back is the weekly cap. Though I'm unsure if it is higher the longer into the season it goes so a person can catch up.

[Ghost of Cow]

How can you spout this bullshit ? Have you creepy lootbox gambling glorifiers completely lost your mind ?

The game is filled with misleading and specially designed psychological tricks to get you to spend more and more. Even the 0.89 crap is a clever way to make you get used to paying for similar stuff if you weren't the type already. Oh its just 0.89 basically nothing. Next pop out with 2.99 , oh well its still not that much I just bought the 0.89 . Tomorrow 9.99 popout for super duper legendary gem rolls and so forth . And you creeps somehow imagine you can defend this abusive shit. Gtfo

This is just you tilting at windmills, though.

I said it wasn't lying to you about what was being purchased. That's the truth. You being angry at the game doesn't change that.

[Witchblade77]

That isn't true. Outside of Legendary gems you two main forms of progress are Paragon and Legacy of the Horadrim. You don't hit a wall though it will quickly take several days to upgrade the Legacy gems if you don't buy platinum. Paragon and Legendary items progress just well. The "brick wall" is much exaggerated and just fear mongering.

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The specific tasks are just playing the different parts of the game. They will feature a task that gives 2x battle points but it isn't required at all. I'm already rank 23 on the battle pass and there has been 1-2 days I didn't play since I got 60. For example today bounties get 2x battle points and the first 8 you do go towards the battle pass. That is 1024 points for one task. The only thing holding you back is the weekly cap. Though I'm unsure if it is higher the longer into the season it goes so a person can catch up.

you have to go pick up the bounties. you have to go do rifts. you have to deliberately farm specific mobs for the bestiary. you need to do a set number of dungeons not just one of them etc etc. see, I was mainly doing to story and that was barely making a dent. so I started focusing more on the rifts and bounties... which left little time for story. and I still just barely hit 12. so /shrug. also i just finished 4 bounties and got 32 points. where are you getting over 1k from????

[kamuimac]

I've not been following too clearly, is this a controversy that would be resolved if crests were removed? Like it's kinda strange to me that the thing pulling all the attention and headlines are freaking gems. It's like a weird dissonance where I could see myself buying a dozen cosmetic sets but never in my right mind would see the value in paying for a chance at an instant yellow shiny that is for sure a +goodness to my character but not in an interesting way like legendary gear. I'm not defending it, just confused as to how gems ended up being the hill everyone is fighting over.

because they have no real arguments to bash DI for and this makes its trully hillarious

its evn funnier because nobody is complaingni about grpahics or how smooth it is to play - and how generaly fun it it

its simps in echo chamber of streamers who wanted to be controversial to make more money of their simps - the same way as DI is milking whales

the fact that those people dont see irony in it - its hillarius

[rhorle]

you have to go pick up the bounties. you have to go do rifts. you have to deliberately farm specific mobs for the bestiary. you need to do a set number of dungeons not just one of them etc etc. see, I was mainly doing to story and that was barely making a dent. so I started focusing more on the rifts and bounties... which left little time for story. and I still just barely hit 12. so /shrug. also i just finished 4 bounties and got 32 points. where are you getting over 1k from????

So your objection is that the battle pass requires you to play the game rather then auto completing or something? You don't need to do a set number of dungeons each day. The tasks are just there to reward you battle points for doing things and not things that are required to be done. Also you don't farm specific mobs for the bestiary. It is random if monster essence drops and it is random which entry it discovers.

As for the 1k it was a mistake and should be 128. I double clicked on the calculator and multiplied the 128 and didn't double check before posting. Bounties award 8 battle points. It is featured (for me) today so that gives you double the battle points. I can get the battle point reward from 8 bounties 8x2=16. 16x8=128. You'll likely complete other tasks along the way.

If you aren't leveling the battle pass much it is from time spent playing the game and not because there are tasks to do.

[kamuimac]

How can you spout this bullshit ? Have you creepy lootbox gambling glorifiers completely lost your mind ?

The game is filled with misleading and specially designed psychological tricks to get you to spend more and more. Even the 0.89 crap is a clever way to make you get used to paying for similar stuff if you weren't the type already. Oh its just 0.89 basically nothing. Next pop out with 2.99 , oh well its still not that much I just bought the 0.89 . Tomorrow 9.99 popout for super duper legendary gem rolls and so forth . And you creeps somehow imagine you can defend this abusive shit. Gtfo

or people who play this game can not behave like 12 year old and realise that even 0.89 is not worth to spend ?

crazy idea i know

im sure marority of adoults playing it dont feel this way

[Popastique]

or people who play this game can not behave like 12 year old and realise that even 0.89 is not worth to spend ?

crazy idea i know

im sure marority of adoults playing it dont feel this way

Nope, someone already stated that they are VICTIMS and can't help buying stuff
Even called them mentally weak or something along those lines

[Malix Farwin]

You don't need legendary crests like at all, if you are not concerned about not having a BIS in every slot like tomorrow.

you do realize this game is seasonal right? this is a clear design choice, you need to spend for minor progression or you are hard stuck per season.

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or people who play this game can not behave like 12 year old and realise that even 0.89 is not worth to spend ?

crazy idea i know

im sure marority of adoults playing it dont feel this way

Actually there have been studies that gambling games play on the minds of people to get them to spend which all their flairs and words. Some people are stronger than others(me for example have easily resisted while my cousin who is normally responsible, more than me for sure, falls victim to it quite easily). People are different at a baseline and to assume that because you are personally immune to it vs. looking at the Data is kinda ignorant at best. If it was only a minority of adults than this model wouldnt be so wildly popular even outside of blizzard, this company is just the greediest in gaming(they legit surpassed EA and any other gacha game i have ever seen).

[Witchblade77]

So your objection is that the battle pass requires you to play the game rather then auto completing or something? You don't need to do a set number of dungeons each day. I'm rank 23 and have only done a few since hitting 60 and only did each one once while leveling. The exception is that I would do one if a shadow contract took me to a dungeon. The tasks are just there to reward you battle points for doing things and not things that are required to be done. Also you don't farm specific mobs for the bestiary. It is random if monster essence drops and it is random which entry it discovers. It can even be a duplicate in which case you get gold.

As for the 1k it was a mistake and should be 128. I double clicked on the calculator and multiplied the 128 and didn't double check before posting. Bounties award 8 battle points. It is featured (for me) today so that gives you double the battle points. I can get the battle point reward from 8 of my 16 bounties (I didn't do my bounties yesterday so I have more today). 8x2=16. 16x8=128. So the featured task for today gives you almost a rank of the battle pass. You'll likely complete other tasks along the way.

If you aren't leveling the battle pass much it is from time spent playing the game and not because there are tasks to do.

again. playing a few hours a day should give me a decent progress. running through story=playing the game, I'm not sure how you decided that it doesn't count. Blizzard apparently also decided that it doesn't count. you'd think a mobile game would be casual friendly, but nope... and I love how you think doing 16 bounties is reasonable. 16 bounties means I don't have time for anything else. 128 points is not even full SINGLE battlepass level, which for me is at 180 points total required to hit next rank.

this progression is throttled unless you either litteraly grind all day. or pay to skip those levels. THAT. is on purpose.

[rhorle]

again. playing a few hours a day should give me a decent progress. running through story=playing the game, I'm not sure how you decided that it doesn't count.

There is much more to the game then just the story and leveling to 60. Ignoring 75% of the game is of course going to net you slow progress. 128 for 8 quick quests is still a large chunk. Even while still leveling you can knock those out fairly quickly. You are doing 8 bounties not 16. You only get battle points from the first 8 bounties you complete that day. Bounties can stack above the 8 per day limit.

Progression is not throttled unless you grind all day or pay to skip levels. It is quick and easy to earn daily goals. It again requires you to play more then you apparently seem willing to do. Instead of acknowledging that is your choice you'd rather blame the game design.

[Dhrizzle]

again. playing a few hours a day should give me a decent progress. running through story=playing the game, I'm not sure how you decided that it doesn't count. Blizzard apparently also decided that it doesn't count. you'd think a mobile game would be casual friendly, but nope... and I love how you think doing 16 bounties is reasonable. 16 bounties means I don't have time for anything else. 128 points is not even full SINGLE battlepass level, which for me is at 180 points total required to hit next rank.

this progression is throttled unless you either litteraly grind all day. or pay to skip those levels. THAT. is on purpose.

Honestly that sounds pretty stinky. I was planning on spending the £4.50 if I got far down the path but as I'm playing much more casually than you I doubt I'll reach that stage.

Do you at least feel that the game so far is worth the money, even if the specific MTX kinda sucks?

[Okacz]

to certain group of people surely more enjoyable, and to different group of people - people who play it now for free and would have to pay for it - surely LESS...
it seems to be solution to you just bcs you are part of the first group

Truth is, MTX in mobile games always affect the games design, especially the balancing. It's only the logical step, if you as a company want to get the players to purchase the boosts/perks/orbs/bullshits, you must tailor the game around their existance - while trying to keep the facade of it being a "game first, microtransactions second" situation.

So no, removal of MTX right now would change nothing for players who wouldn't buy them anyway, obviously. However, if the game was created from scratch, having a simple purchase price and no microtransactions, it would be more enjoyable. Because part of designing a mobile game like this is making sure the game gets annoying and grindy in just the right moments to make player consider buying boosters.

[Witchblade77]

There is much more to the game then just the story and leveling to 60. Ignoring 75% of the game is of course going to net you slow progress. 128 for 8 quick quests is still a large chunk. Even while still leveling you can knock those out fairly quickly. You are doing 8 bounties not 16. You only get battle points from the first 8 bounties you complete that day. Bounties can stack above the 8 per day limit.

Progression is not throttled unless you grind all day or pay to skip levels. It is quick and easy to earn daily goals. It again requires you to play more then you apparently seem willing to do. Instead of acknowledging that is your choice you'd rather blame the game design.

sigh. believe what you will. I know that I've actualy TRIED to go for those daily tasks, doing variety of things. I did rifts. I did bounties. I even did helliquary raid. its still. leveling. slowly. excruciatingly slow. but I'm guessing you also have a very different concept of what playing casually can look like seeing as you are already max level and all.

the reality is, the game is absolutely unequivocally, not even up for debate - designed to encourage a player to spend as much money as they can stomach. it eases you into it and then ramps up once you are caught up and invested. by design. deliberately. can you refuse to participate and refuse to buy things? yes. yes you can. it does NOT change the design of the game in any way though. you have to chose NOT to spend money. not the other way around.

[Gaidax]

After playing for a bit, like just 2 days - I have to say the game itself is good, it's a fine masher and you being able to play it both PC and phone is real nice.

I do think they gone overboard with MTX and every server being a clean slate including most purchases you do sucks big time. If they'd tame MTX just a tad and make most of them and the game support cross realm - it would be very good.

I do think this game will be pretty successful, because it tackles mobile market and overall it's a fine hack and slash.

[KainneAbsolute]

Too embarrassing.

Additionally, I discovered that you need 377 keys or lots of platinum to get an item... 5 keys you can get from the vendor, 3-7 from a daily event and you can get also from pvp where the whales win every match.

[Ghost of Cow]

Too embarrassing.

Additionally, I discovered that you need 377 keys or lots of platinum to get an item... 5 keys you can get from the vendor, 3-7 from a daily event and you can get also from pvp where the whales win every match.

Topic aside, can we make it legal to slap everyone who puts their face on their thumbnail with their mouth hanging open like that? ><

[rhorle]

you have to chose NOT to spend money. not the other way around.

You act like it is a hard choice. I haven't felt the need to spend a single cent because I've played the game and earned what you say is super hard to do. The difference is you don't want to play the game to earn things so you feel like the "skip" is being forced upon you. The game has been out for a little over a week and you admit you don't play that much. Why is it that you also expect to have a ton of progress in the game at the same time?

All you keep doing is blaming the game design because of your choice to not play the game more.