But if people willingly spending their own money on lootboxes - then there is nothing predatory. Or are you AGAIN going to claim they are weak-minded and easily exploited?
I literally said "worst ones", are you familiar with spectrums and the theory of relativity?
All MMOs are awesome. Some of them are better than the others.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
That just means certain things are very rare. That's a good thing in an open-ended MMOARPG because it means there will always be another item or upgrade that you can search for. Otherwise you would deterministically beat the game very quickly and there wouldn't be very much replay value.
Are pyramid schemes not predatory because people choose to buy in? Of course they are predatory, because the fact that people make choices doesn't change whether something is predatory.
Your definition of "predatory" is meaningless because it would mean something as reprehensible as bumfights is not predatory because the targets "chose" to be involved.
Spectrums, you mean like how implementations of lootboxes exist on a spectrum from good to bad? You also specifically said "the good ones" which necessarily means there are one that are NOT GOOD, also known as BAD.I literally said "worst ones", are you familiar with spectrums and the theory of relativity?
All MMOs are awesome. Some of them are better than the others.
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Do you think there might be some kind of reasonable middle ground between "Play the game for 50 years or spend $50,000" and "very quickly"?
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
I mean, come on. The gaming market is the same in 2022 as it was in the early 2000s? New, easier and most importantly successful ways of getting revenue from customers have been discovered? Game developers are structuring their games to take advantage of that market to grow their sales?
For what it's worth: I didn't say or even imply that Blizzard in the early days is exactly as they are now. What I actually said was that making a profit and taking care of Blizzard has always been #1 with them (as it should be with for-profit companies and corporations). Gaming has gotten meaner and more cut-throat in this respect as it has become bigger business and increased competition from other things like streaming television and the like. What's most objectionable about all of these threads is cutting Blizzard out as some special case. They are not. They've been playing this game fairly aggressively since Hearthstone and their turn to make all of their games player competitions. It's what is sometimes called progression. It's a bad thing for those who remember gaming as it used to be but the mobile market is not for those people for the most part.
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
I didn't make any reference to any game specifically my reference was Blizzard was the gold standard of gaming. They made amazing and quality games. It was pretty universal, blizzard game released and you were going to buy it because you knew it would be good. So not sure wtf you're on about but you get a solid pat on the back sport for participating.
They are predatory because people are LIED to.
I don't remember seeing anywhere on any loot box saying "buy this lootbox and get this item" unless it literally gave you that item.
But you are reaching instead of admitting even a iota of possibility of being in the wrong.
I gave no definition
But your definition makes employees who ask for a promotion predatory towards an employer who cannot let them go.
Lootboxes don't exist on a spectrum (MMOs do). They are a singular mechanic. Which is essential for lootbased games.
Your beef is clearly with the business models. But until you agree that lootboxes are essential and awesome we cannot get to the meat of your problem
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
Pyramid schemes do not always lie. They often just tell you that if you do X you will make money. What they leave out is that X is not feasible by a certain point in the scheme. There is absolutely no requirement of lying.
Lootboxes are objectively speaking not a singular mechanic. They can be implemented in innumerable different ways. Let me know when you grow up enough to talk about that.I gave no definition
But your definition makes employees who ask for a promotion are predatory towards an employer who cannot let them go.
Lootboxes don't exist on a spectrum (MMOs do). They are a singular mechanic. Which is essential for lootbased games.
Your beef is clearly with the business models. But until you agree that lootboxes are essential and awesome we cannot get to the meat of your problem
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
That's literally lying. "Will" != "may or may not". Also lying by omission.
All scams lie. Why are you defending pyramid schemes all of a sudden?
Lootboxes objectively speaking are a singular mechanic.
Sure one game can be coded in C++ - another game may be C#, and the third game will use RenPy. Different implementations but the mechanic will be the same. There are also different ways of picking a random item - but that's mostly for optimization reasons.
There might be additional mechanics added on top, after the lootbox is opened, but those are separate mechanics.
And we cannot talk about them until lootboxes are awesome.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
That's not lying. They guarantee that IF you are able to get X number of people in, you'll make money. That's true, and that's how the people near the top make money.
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Generating a profit doesn't mean that your only goal is maximum profit. Those aren't the same thing.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
From whose point of view? Clearly not Blizzards. But you once again going rogue. You are speaking about a bussiness model not a loot box. it can as well be a guaranteed BiS set for $2. Would it be bad? Nope - well not for players.
So if 100% chance of getting BiS gear for $2 is not bad. And lootboxes are awesome - where the bad part comes from?
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side