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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    The problem with this outlook is that the wow community has got itself into a situation of of option A) does 1000 dps playing optimally and option B) Does 999.9 dps playing optimally but is slightly easier playing everyone is going to pick A because they saw the Echos and Liquids use A. Plus the TL DR versions of guides will say pick option A.

    So even when there's a choice the playerbase will just act like they're isn't.
    I'd say that is just patendly false, as hunter has been showing for almost 2 deacades now. People will always gravitate towards the easymode spec (BM) if the performance is somewhat compareable, simply because they can actually pull it off. Maybe not in the first week of the expansion, but it will always change towards that with time.
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  2. #42
    I'd be willing to give it a chance if I come back to retail. The fact of the matter is that at the height of the game's popularity interrupts were not universal nor were they equal (shaman was just better, for instance). It's not like that was a reason why it was popular, but they shouldn't be afraid to design any system the way it was when it was all the most popular, at least not without trying.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Janitor View Post
    I mean you can get both, you need to piss away 8 points in the beginning anyway to get into the 5th row.
    Kick will always be the lowest priority.

    You take the talents which sim highest.
    Then you take the talents which keep you alive the most.
    Then you take utility like kick/stun/etc.

    Given that now you suddenly have access to ALL survivability of all specs essentially and being able to fulfill only around 60% of the tree (31 points to almost 60 nodes), there arent actually points to piss away.

    The biggest problem that comes is having ppl forced into those choices. Like DK and AMZ. Like lowest DPS guy and Kicks/utilities.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Janitor View Post
    I'd say that is just patendly false, as hunter has been showing for almost 2 deacades now. People will always gravitate towards the easymode spec (BM) if the performance is somewhat compareable, simply because they can actually pull it off. Maybe not in the first week of the expansion, but it will always change towards that with time.
    YEah they will pick the easier spec but they won't pick the slightly lower dps but much more consistent version of that spec. They'll pick something else over bloodletting even though bloodletting makes maintaining perfect uptime of frenzy much, much easier and is at most a 2% dps loss. And that's not because the players mess it up. It's because many of the guide writers are bad at their job and even those who explain the differences and how some choices are slightly weaker but much easier will still give the optimal one in TLDR.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by klaps_05 View Post
    Kick will always be the lowest priority.

    You take the talents which sim highest.
    Then you take the talents which keep you alive the most.
    Then you take utility like kick/stun/etc.

    Given that now you suddenly have access to ALL survivability of all specs essentially and being able to fulfill only around 60% of the tree (31 points to almost 60 nodes), there arent actually points to piss away.

    The biggest problem that comes is having ppl forced into those choices. Like DK and AMZ. Like lowest DPS guy and Kicks/utilities.
    In the case of brainfreeze it's rather simple, it's the second talent in the tree and on the left side and if you are unholy or frost at least you will want to have some points in the other side of the tree. This is a bit where the illusion of choice comes in, because you don't really have much of it because of the breakpoints you need to reach and the way the trees are formed prevents you from actually crossing them for the most part, since you can only go down, not back up. So at least as DPS you will absolutely have an interrupt and tanks usually as well. In the druid tree the thing is a bit more ambigious, but then druids were always the odd ones out among dps when it comes to interrupts.

    Edit: You can play with it yourself. https://mythictrap.com/dragonflights...,96,99,109,117
    Unless you want to miss out on stuff like runic corruption in favor of getting death's advance, you will most likely always have a decent amount in the frost tree as unholy and the same is true for frost obviously. I think you will be hard pressed to grab more dps talents by going blood instead. In fact I think DK will have way more issues with mobility, since we are neither unstoppable juggernauts with a build like that nor are we fast. Chances are we will see not just more wheelchair-bound DKs than usual, figuratively they will also lack wheels and instead come with 4 red cinder bricks.
    Edit2: Nvm, you can drop 2 more points on the unholy side and easily get at least death's advance as well. I'd probably fear more that the only way to get a raid spot will be if you spec abom limb as we've seen during the sylvanas raid.
    Last edited by Cosmic Janitor; 2022-06-06 at 12:07 PM.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

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