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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkknight97 View Post
    Why isn't the Void Elves in this thread as well as the Nightborne too?
    Because Alleria of the Void elves can single-handedly solo Quel'Thalas.

    > Teleport into Sunwell Plateau (her teleportation abilities seemingly have no limits)

    > Go near the Sunwell

    > Touch the Sunwell

    > Literally GG

    I expect Horde players here to agree fully with me. After all, aren't the Void elves a "threat" because they can easily endanger Thalassian civilization?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Because Alleria of the Void elves can single-handedly solo Quel'Thalas.

    > Teleport into Sunwell Plateau (her teleportation abilities seemingly have no limits)

    > Go near the Sunwell

    > Touch the Sunwell

    > Literally GG

    I expect Horde players here to agree fully with me. After all, aren't the Void elves a "threat" because they can easily endanger Thalassian civilization?
    What do you mean? What will happen when I touch the Sunwell?

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    What do you mean? What will happen when I touch the Sunwell?
    According to Horde players, it will apparently blow up and all of Quel'Thalas will be destroyed.

    Which is why Horde players hate the Void elves and are so happy that they got exiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    According to Horde players, it will apparently blow up and all of Quel'Thalas will be destroyed.

    Which is why Horde players hate the Void elves and are so happy that they got exiled.
    Damn, that would be fun as hell to see it happening. Create a Void Elf and go to Sun Well and boom! Muhahah!
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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    Damn, that would be fun as hell to see it happening. Create a Void Elf and go to Sun Well and boom! Muhahah!
    They are not night elfs, soo that will not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    Damn, that would be fun as hell to see it happening. Create a Void Elf and go to Sun Well and boom! Muhahah!
    It would take a explosive force to make the Sun Well go Boom.
    High Elves and Wildhammer Dwarves are finally playable in the Alliance. XD

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkknight97 View Post
    It would take a explosive force to make the Sun Well go Boom.
    The Sunwell started spewing out void creatures when Alleria drew near, IIRC, so it doesn't really take more than her presence. Been a while since I did the quest, but it definitely involved "bad things" that the blood elves were not happy with, and that was just from her being there.

    Found the text:
    Lor'themar Theron: This is why I demanded that Umbric and his radicals be exiled. Anyone who treats with the Void is a danger to the Sunwell!
    *battle begins with void creatures*
    Nether-Prince Durzaan: The vessel has been found!
    Grand Magister Rommath: It wants the Sunwell!
    Nether-Prince Durzaan: The door opens. Yes... this should suit our needs.
    Alleria Windrunner: Now! Focus your power with mine!
    Nether-Prince Durzaan: You only delay the inevitable! I will yet have my prize.
    *after battle concludes*
    Grand Magister Rommath: Guards! Seize this saboteur.
    Alleria Windrunner: I will not be taken prisoner in my own homeland.
    Lor'themar Theron: Enough! You will leave at once, Alleria. Accident or no, your presence poses a danger to Quel'Thalas. Go back to Stormwind. Silvermoon is no longer your home.
    You can read more in the Nightborne scenario text: https://www.wowhead.com/news/nightbo...poilers-277523
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresk View Post
    The Sunwell started spewing out void creatures when Alleria drew near, IIRC, so it doesn't really take more than her presence. Been a while since I did the quest, but it definitely involved "bad things" that the blood elves were not happy with, and that was just from her being there.

    Found the text:

    You can read more in the Nightborne scenario text: https://www.wowhead.com/news/nightbo...poilers-277523
    There's an open question as to whether Alleria actually caused the incursion at the Sunwell, or if she was being shadowed by Durzaan within the Void all the while, as he waited for an opportune moment to strike. Similarly, Rommath's paranoia about the Void stems from Dar'Khan Drathir's role in the befouling of the first Sunwell, but as we know Dar'Khan (while he did open the way for Arthas and the Scourge into Silvermoon) didn't actually befoul the Sunwell, Arthas did by depositing the necromantic remains of Kel'Thuzad into its waters. Thus the Void didn't really factor into Sunwell's corruption. It's understandable that Rommath would fear and/or hate anything connected with Dar'Khan, but it's still not a true causal link between the Void and any kind of effect on the Sunwell itself.
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  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    There's an open question as to whether Alleria actually caused the incursion at the Sunwell, or if she was being shadowed by Durzaan within the Void all the while, as he waited for an opportune moment to strike. Similarly, Rommath's paranoia about the Void stems from Dar'Khan Drathir's role in the befouling of the first Sunwell, but as we know Dar'Khan (while he did open the way for Arthas and the Scourge into Silvermoon) didn't actually befoul the Sunwell, Arthas did by depositing the necromantic remains of Kel'Thuzad into its waters. Thus the Void didn't really factor into Sunwell's corruption. It's understandable that Rommath would fear and/or hate anything connected with Dar'Khan, but it's still not a true causal link between the Void and any kind of effect on the Sunwell itself.
    She walks up to it, gets on her knees and reaches for it, like your typical brain-damaged windrunner. Light and void react violently to each other canonically

    https://youtu.be/-yueEDjZ2F0?t=204

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    She walks up to it, gets on her knees and reaches for it, like your typical brain-damaged windrunner. Light and void react violently to each other canonically

    https://youtu.be/-yueEDjZ2F0?t=204
    But Durzaan is already present, waiting in the Void, sending across the attackers and eventually the elite NPC you take out toward the end when the "corruption" simply stops occurring, mysteriously enough. Light and Void certainly don't mix, that's for sure, but there's a difference between actively mingling the essences and someone who can wield the Void's power just being in the presence of the Light. For example, Alleria and Turalyon don't harm one another simply by standing next to each other, despite them both being infused with the Void and Light respectively.
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    But Durzaan is already present, waiting in the Void, sending across the attackers and eventually the elite NPC you take out toward the end when the "corruption" simply stops occurring, mysteriously enough. Light and Void certainly don't mix, that's for sure, but there's a difference between actively mingling the essences and someone who can wield the Void's power just being in the presence of the Light.
    It doesn't change the fact, that Alleria ultimately is the catalyst, her personal corruption made this incursion possible.As such any mind addled void elf is a threat to the sunwell, due to its new nature and the possibility of void incursions they bring.

    For example, Alleria and Turalyon don't harm one another simply by standing next to each other, despite them both being infused with the Void and Light respectively.
    They do feel pain by touching each other, and Alleria did touch the sunwell, you can see it in the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It doesn't change the fact, that Alleria ultimately is the catalyst, her personal corruption made this incursion possible.As such any mind addled void elf is a threat to the sunwell, due to its new nature and the possibility of void incursions they bring.
    I don't think that's actually been proven simply by Alleria's brief encounter with the Sunwell. Much less for the decidedly lesser Void Elves who haven't even been steeped in as much Void essence as Alleria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    They do feel pain by touching each other, and Alleria did touch the sunwell, you can see it in the video.
    You'll need to cite a source for them feeling pain by touching each other - I checked both the trivia for Alleria and Turalyon and saw no mention of it. There's an instance in one of the audio dramas where Turalyon feels pain when Alleria drags him through a Void rift to escape a particular conflict, but not just when the two are in close proximity.
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I don't think that's actually been proven simply by Alleria's brief encounter with the Sunwell. Much less for the decidedly lesser Void Elves who haven't even been steeped in as much Void essence as Alleria.
    Void tainted idiot touched the well, causes reaction, void tainted idiot feels pain by physical interaction with light infused idiot. Void in any form is not good for the well.



    You'll need to cite a source for them feeling pain by touching each other - I checked both the trivia for Alleria and Turalyon and saw no mention of it. There's an instance in one of the audio dramas where Turalyon feels pain when Alleria drags him through a Void rift to escape a particular conflict, but not just when the two are in close proximity.
    It is in a thousand year war page 29, that was long before she became really void tainted mind you.

    When they touched, pain shot through her. She flinched. So did he. The Light and the
    Shadow cannot exist together. He let go, looking at his hands in disbelief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Void tainted idiot touched the well, causes reaction, void tainted idiot feels pain by physical interaction with light infused idiot. Void in any form is not good for the well.
    A hypothesis needs to be tested in a controlled environment with a controllable set of variables - the presence and active influence of Durzaan in the single case of Alleria near the Sunwell casts considerable doubt on that reasoning. Not to mention Rommath's fears are based on the unfounded belief that Dar'Khan was responsible for the first Sunwell's corruption when it was actually Arthas, Kel'Thuzad, and Necromancy that did that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It is in a thousand year war
    Only after she has actively used her Void powers, and Turalyon is still reeling from physically moving through the Void. In The Three Sisters (pg. 6) comic they're also shown holding hands with obvious affection and no hint that either is in pain from the other's presence or proximity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    A hypothesis needs to be tested in a controlled environment with a controllable set of variables - the presence and active influence of Durzaan in the single case of Alleria near the Sunwell casts considerable doubt on that reasoning. Not to mention Rommath's fears are based on the unfounded belief that Dar'Khan was responsible for the first Sunwell's corruption when it was actually Arthas, Kel'Thuzad, and Necromancy that did that.
    Void and light do not mix well, that is a proven fundamental canon part of the universe, ultimately that is all what matters.

    Only after she has actively used her Void powers, and Turalyon is still reeling from physically moving through the Void. In The Three Sisters (pg. 6) comic they're also shown holding hands with obvious affection and no hint that either is in pain from the other's presence or proximity.
    Blame blizz inconsistency or the masochistic tendencies of these two idiots, void and light react violently when they meet each other, to the point the titans believe that reaction created the very universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Void and light do not mix well, that is a proven fundamental canon part of the universe

    Blame blizz inconsistency or the masochistic tendencies of these two idiots, void and light react violently when they meet each other, to the point the titans believe that reaction created the very universe.
    A Void Elf and a Paladin being in close proximity isn't "mixing" the Light and the Void. The primordial essences of Void and Light, yes, those two react in a volatile fashion when they meet. But a person isn't a primordial essence, nor do I think it's an inconsistency or masochism on the part of either Alleria or Turalyon. There was one instance where it happened, due to Alleria actively channeling the Void and dragging Turalyon, infused by the Light, bodily through it. That's both going to sting and make him understandably if temporarily sensitive. But Alleria and Turalyon have been in close proximity, and even used their powers in tandem in Shadows Rising, without any signs of physical pain or discomfort since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    A Void Elf and a Paladin being in close proximity isn't "mixing" the Light and the Void. The primordial essences of Void and Light, yes, those two react in a volatile fashion when they meet. But a person isn't a primordial essence, nor do I think it's an inconsistency or masochism on the part of either Alleria or Turalyon. There was one instance where it happened, due to Alleria actively channeling the Void and dragging Turalyon, infused by the Light, bodily through it. That's both going to sting and make him understandably if temporarily sensitive. But Alleria and Turalyon have been in close proximity, and even used their powers in tandem in Shadows Rising, without any signs of physical pain or discomfort since.
    It never was about close proximity, but direct contact and this stuff causes a reaction, this is reinforced plenty of times in the story as well, if this shit doesn't make sense, it is blizz fault for as per usual writing an inconsistent story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It never was about close proximity, but direct contact and this stuff causes a reaction, this is reinforced plenty of times in the story as well, if this shit doesn't make sense, it is blizz fault for as per usual writing an inconsistent story.
    And they interact and touch just as frequently with no indication that either is in pain, as previously stated. Thus far there's one incident where they cause one another pain, with considerable extenuating circumstances, and several where they don't - so I'm going to say that the audio drama is the presumably inconsistent event, and the rest set the rule as opposed to the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And they interact and touch just as frequently with no indication that either is in pain, as previously stated. Thus far there's one incident where they cause one another pain, with considerable extenuating circumstances, and several where they don't - so I'm going to say that the audio drama is the presumably inconsistent event, and the rest set the rule as opposed to the exception.
    Ignoring that direct contact between light and void usually leads to big trouble, but somehow beings directly infused with them are suddenly somehow fine touching each other? I mean they went very much out of their way to say that these two forces just do not mix well, big bang event level bad.

    The most likely scenario is blizz writers not knowing or rather not caring about it and as such ignoring it, fits their writing style perfectly.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    What do you mean? What will happen when I touch the Sunwell?
    He forgets that Alleria teleportation works as far as the story or blizzard wants to.

    I vaguely remember situations where the strongest mages were unable to open a portal in certain situation, you know why? because the story made it so.

    There is no canon and other known anwser for her convience for obvious reasons.


    I honestly think she will burn alive if some one did a little hip thing to the side and she slips.. oops! didn't see you there. Good riddance.

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