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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    More world quests.
    Or simply more renown levels with even more useless rewards and still no gearing progression.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    You're still here though.

    Like my roommate said I don't play WoW anymore. So, No, I am not still there. Just watching the shit show from the side lines.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinchi Migi View Post
    Like my roommate said I don't play WoW anymore. So, No, I am not still there. Just watching the shit show from the side lines.
    Yeah, yeah, keep telling yourself that.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Yeah, yeah, keep telling yourself that.

    Me and my roommate saw this statement coming. Usually all you WoW players on the copium so bad you think everyone in the world has to play WoW. let me give you a newsflash....Not everyone is playing WoW and for good reason. The company is nothing but a predatory sleezy, and trashy ass company now. But let me take off so you can continue to smoke that copium and be deluded into thinking everyone wants to indulge in WoW. And this will be my last time responding to you.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Dropakeg View Post
    Probably a bit early to be complaining about an expansion that's not out yet.
    Ahhh youngling. First time to a WoW expansion?

    It doesn't matter what stage people complain at, someone like you always comes along and says it's too early.

    "It's in alpha, wait for beta before you complain!
    It's in beta, wait for release before you complain!
    It's only just released, give them a couple of weeks before you complain!
    It's too late to complain now, wait for 10.1 ptr!
    .....

    They aren't going to fix that mid expansion, just wait for next expansion!"

    The time to complain is now. Always, and forever. If there is a problem, complain. Waiting for some potential pipeline fix is utterly stupid and not based in historic reality for the game. The only things that have a remote chance of getting fixed are those that get loudly complained about, regularly, and continuously.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinchi Migi View Post
    Me and my roommate saw this statement coming. Usually all you WoW players on the copium so bad you think everyone in the world has to play WoW. let me give you a newsflash....Not everyone is playing WoW and for good reason. The company is nothing but a predatory sleezy, and trashy ass company now. But let me take off so you can continue to smoke that copium and be deluded into thinking everyone wants to indulge in WoW. And this will be my last time responding to you.
    imagine saying that, while your roommate is saying

    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive View Post
    So I am roommates with Shinchi and I can tell you for sure he is not still playing WoW. Me and him both left WoW in May of 2021. We both play FFXIV now. We both are on the sidelines watching the clown show that Blizzard is now. But we both want to see if Blizzard does something good with Dragonflight or will they drag their playerbase through another shit hole of an expansion before either us come back.
    He literally is saying he wants to play wow. You want a hit of that copium now? God I love people who just hate boner post. Stay classy bois.

    Don't worry though if you act angry enough for long enough you can justify yourself quitting the game instead of I don't know... just stopping playing. You're soo convinced people who still play wow are addicted/coping, when like every other mmo it has reasons to play. For me it still has the best raiding content hands down(imo), so until another title can compete with that I'm enjoying what wow has to offer(Wildstar had some banger raiding too but that game had a ton of its own problems).

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Elbob View Post
    imagine saying that, while your roommate is saying



    He literally is saying he wants to play wow. You want a hit of that copium now? God I love people who just hate boner post. Stay classy bois.

    Don't worry though if you act angry enough for long enough you can justify yourself quitting the game instead of I don't know... just stopping playing. You're soo convinced people who still play wow are addicted/coping, when like every other mmo it has reasons to play. For me it still has the best raiding content hands down(imo), so until another title can compete with that I'm enjoying what wow has to offer(Wildstar had some banger raiding too but that game had a ton of its own problems).

    How about you play what you want, and I play what I want. Ok cool. Now we are both happy.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinchi Migi View Post
    How about you play what you want, and I play what I want. Ok cool. Now we are both happy.
    But you are the one who is posting on a forum for a game you allegedly don't play anymore, arguing with people who are playing what they want. If you just wanted to "play what you want" you'd be busy playing FFXIV and posting about FFXIV instead of shitposting on a wow forum and worrying about what wow players are doing.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    But you are the one who is posting on a forum for a game you allegedly don't play anymore, arguing with people who are playing what they want. If you just wanted to "play what you want" you'd be busy playing FFXIV and posting about FFXIV instead of shitposting on a wow forum and worrying about what wow players are doing.
    First off I am at work. Otherwise I would take you up on your suggestion of playing FFXIV. So while I am at work I respond to shit posters talking shit to me instead. But anyways.....

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    Ahhh youngling. First time to a WoW expansion?

    It doesn't matter what stage people complain at, someone like you always comes along and says it's too early.

    "It's in alpha, wait for beta before you complain!
    It's in beta, wait for release before you complain!
    It's only just released, give them a couple of weeks before you complain!
    It's too late to complain now, wait for 10.1 ptr!
    .....

    They aren't going to fix that mid expansion, just wait for next expansion!"

    The time to complain is now. Always, and forever. If there is a problem, complain. Waiting for some potential pipeline fix is utterly stupid and not based in historic reality for the game. The only things that have a remote chance of getting fixed are those that get loudly complained about, regularly, and continuously.
    Also traditionally we get LESS features between announcement and release, not more. We've had expansions where the most important feature was either underdelivered (Garrisons) or completely scrapped (Path of the Titans). There is a solid argument that ofc those were Blizzcon announcements so there was much more detail there. But I don't agree with that argument in that this is not like Gamescom for Legion where Blizzard had constraints in time. This was a digital announcement and they could have pushed as much detail as they could.

    MAYBE they learned not to promise things they cannot deliver. Maybe. I mean most of my hype for Torghast came from the fact that at announcement it was supposed to be a path to gear progression (Torghast runs were supposed to give you loot in the Vault) and during the alpha and for the early beta at least Torghast kept dropping PH items on floor completion.
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  11. #111
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    I'm not, in fact i actually hope that they remember this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game and not a single one
    the rise of solo content is more harmful to a MMO than good, if more ppl asking for solo, that means u fucked up big time in a game that should be all about multiplayer
    however sadly doubt that they actually plan to remember that, probably they will make even more solo content again
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Dropakeg View Post
    Probably a bit early to be complaining about an expansion that's not out yet.

    In addition, WoW is an MMO. They generally focus on multi-player content.
    The vast majority of WoW's success, from day 1, was based around its solo content.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Fun fact is the main focus is still on group gameplay. Premade group gameplay. And contrary to TBC or WotLK, there is no raid level gear for solo players available anymore and surely no kind of gearing progression at all outside of some welfare epics.
    Well, which is it? You immediately contradicted yourself. Is there no raid level gear for solo players, or are there "welfare epics"? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. And for your information you can obtain the same max level legendaries are mythic raiders, slightly below normal raid tier for the first time in history, normal raid conduits, and normal raid or slightly above it in all slots solo.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    I'm not, in fact i actually hope that they remember this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game and not a single one
    the rise of solo content is more harmful to a MMO than good, if more ppl asking for solo, that means u fucked up big time in a game that should be all about multiplayer
    however sadly doubt that they actually plan to remember that, probably they will make even more solo content again
    Multiplayer means there are multiple players online playing in the same area. Not that they are grouped and playing together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Well, which is it? You immediately contradicted yourself. Is there no raid level gear for solo players, or are there "welfare epics"? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. And for your information you can obtain the same max level legendaries are mythic raiders, slightly below normal raid tier for the first time in history, normal raid conduits, and normal raid or slightly above it in all slots solo.
    ? First time in history? You could have full normal gear throughout MoP (and Mythic did not exist until the prepatch). Heck if you count Ordos you had warfrorged normal gear in 5-8 slots. You could have FULL Heroic gear in BfA without ever doing instanced content through conquest by doing War Mode PvP. And 5 slots at higher than Heroic through Visions. I am not even counting Titanforging.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Velerios View Post
    All in all, this announcement was probably one of the most conservative one. While i personally think it is good that blizzard don't use all their cards even in the last patch they have added, but really, there was far too little content. Beside of Dragonriding and maybe content they added to it, there is nothing about what endgame-content they will add with Dragonflight. What i'm afraid off is that they simply add the most basic content: Crappy World quests and time locked "Convenant"-quests, and that's all they add. Because beside of this, nothing was announced.

    While i personally wasn't a fan of island expeditions, Torghast was actually not bad in the idea. The issue of torghast was not itself, but both the lack and the owerwhelming ties to player power and no meaningful gear progression actually killed it. Nobody wants to play a game where you can't progress inside Torgast itself, but instead need to play somthing else to get better gear to progress there.

    But Dragonflight has absolutely nothing yet. Maybe my concerns are unnecessary, but i don't expect anything like Torghast, Mage Tower, Island Expeditions at all, since if they had something up in their sleeve, the yould have announced it.
    I'm with you on this one, though it has to be said: Torghast got a lot of spotlight last time, but ultimately it was not a boon on SL.

    Honestly the visions of N'zoth has been the best iteration of solo progression so far, and that was unanounced. So maybe they'll go for something comparable to that again? Would be refreshing to get more than promised, rather than less.

    Though i'm indeed afraid they'll go the pout-route again by going "Oh you didn't like our last major effort attempt at it? WELL I GUESS THIS MEANS YOU DISLIKE THE CONCEPT SINCE OUR IMPLEMENTATION COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN SHIT!".

    They've done that to other features as well (vehicles, garissons, warfronts arguably), and it's just such an annoying sight to see such "managers' tumors" in their decisionmaking.

    I know one should not anthropmorphise a company, but it just feels like they're being something between childish and narcistic (to clarify: they really are not, there are plenty of valid business-wise explanations, but the feeling remains).
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    I'm not, in fact i actually hope that they remember this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game and not a single one
    the rise of solo content is more harmful to a MMO than good, if more ppl asking for solo, that means u fucked up big time in a game that should be all about multiplayer
    however sadly doubt that they actually plan to remember that, probably they will make even more solo content again
    Good, the more solo content the better.

  17. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    Good, the more solo content the better.
    Not gonna lie, part of me wishes they would do the extreme opposite just to piss the "Massive means you have to be with people!" people off. Levelling? Need more than one person. Grinding? More than one. Auction house? Need a second person for that. Mounting? Need a second person to steer. I am sure they would lose that attitude super quick if they got what they wanted.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Fun fact is the main focus is still on group gameplay. Premade group gameplay. And contrary to TBC or WotLK, there is no raid level gear for solo players available anymore and surely no kind of gearing progression at all outside of some welfare epics.

    The fun parts of WoW gameplay, including gearing progression, including gameplay that matters, are all hid behind schedules and "groups of friends", how blizzards PR calls their wet dream of a relentless meritocracy.

    Does anyone really want to tell me world quests are fun? Or LFR? Or heroic dungeons? Especially as last do not offer gear you need and are outgeared by world quest reswards you also do not need for anything?

    The focus is clearly on raids and mythic+. That is all that counts for the devs. Hazzikostas gives a shit about solo players and wants them to buy tokens for boosting services. The devs will change that in Dragonflight so solo players should buy crafting services from raiders for token gold.
    I mean, you decide to bee too lazy to do any challenging form of content despite the fact that Blizzard looking for group tool has made it pretty convenient to join pugs for raids or m+ with barely any more effort than getting into premade groups, its basically you having to chose a group and have some additional mouse clicks. And as a pure solo player, you still have usually an entire zone dedicated to daily content and farming gear. You just hate the fact that this content doesn't give at least heroic item levels, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    I miss the raids that were no nuclear physics with 21 phases and 3 boss abilities each phase timed narrowly and thousands of different ground effects. You know, raids we had in vanilla up to wotlk where it was not about performance that narrwoly but simply about the social aspect. And i miss raids as like the ones in Wintergrasp where you simply could form a random group and would not wipe for hours.

    Complexity of encounter design in World of Warcraft has risen beyond my abilities nowadays. The highest difficulty of raids i could actually work on was in catacylsm, and since then the difficulty and complexity skyrocketed into oblivion. Sure, many players also became better, but based on the raid participation numbers i assume that many players cannot handle the high level of raid difficulty and complexity nowadays.

    Many old players like me have been simply left behind in raid difficulty, simply based on the fact the devs cater their raid design to the top players rather than the normal players. And top players have become better and better, and the gap became larger and larger.
    I mean, thats what normal difficulty is for, which gets regularily pugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Well, in WotLK you could get tier sets from simply running dungeons and doing daily quests. In TBC, you could craft T4 like set items by simply farming. You could get high raid quality gear from running magisters terrace and from doing isle of quel'denas. Nowadays its all time gated, and in Shadowlands it mainly rewards borrowed power. I want blizzard to reward every activity with gear, and it also should be useful. The last part is completely gone from world content, because gearing simply does not matter.
    So you're saying you just don't like the fact that you can't get your gear through getting carried through a heroic dungeon each day anymore and instead have to do the open world zone specifically designed für solo progression, which is different from no solo-endgame content existing. Also the only proper daily zone during the entire expansion, the argent tournament, mostly was just useful for cosmetic rewards, otherwise you only got your gear very time-gated through emblems.

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    Not gonna lie, part of me wishes they would do the extreme opposite just to piss the "Massive means you have to be with people!" people off. Levelling? Need more than one person. Grinding? More than one. Auction house? Need a second person for that. Mounting? Need a second person to steer. I am sure they would lose that attitude super quick if they got what they wanted.
    While the whole idea sounds like it would be sweet irony, we know it will never happen as Blizz would lose far too many casuals.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Data to back it up? Maybe the past 16+ years or so? SP content has never been the focus of wow.
    Yet the vast majority of content IS single player. You can even get Tier and higher ilvl gear now without ever stepping into a raid or dungeon.
    WoW has never been more Single Player friendly and it keeps getting more and more features for lone wolves but every expansion people complain.
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