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  1. #41
    So Battle pass system Doesnt bode well already and no pve content, untill "Future seasons" so Essentially, its the same pvp game with a fresh coat of paint nothing special?

    Already feels dead on Arrival honestly.
    Last edited by Romanthony; 2022-06-16 at 08:19 PM.

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    Upon launch in October, you will receive the following Overwatch® 2 in-game content: Season 1 Premium Battle Pass, two (2) Legendary Hero Skins - Space Raider Cassidy & Space Raider Soldier 76, 2000 Overwatch® 2 Virtual Currency, and an early purchase exclusive Overwatch® 2 Player Icon.

    Purchase and immediately receive Overwatch®: Legendary Edition, with the included five (5) Legendary and five (5) Epic skins.


    HERE WE HAVE IT!! SOMEHOW IM NOT IMPRESSED....I FEEL SAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    As someone who missed out on some of the last rewards of various hearthstone battlepass tracks because I lost interest in playing later during a season, having the option to spend a few euros to finish the track for that season and get my rewards would have been awesome. So no, nothing "insidious" on the ones that you can pay to finish ...
    I mean, unless Dota 2 revamped theirs, it was nearly impossible to finish compendiums without buying level boosts unless you played far too much.

    Honestly an ideal one would look like Fortnites older ones in my opinion, or Hearthstones. Both are pretty easy to cruise through while playing like twice a week.
    Hearthstone especially, I usually knock out just the weeklies and still get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    So Battle pass system Doesnt bode well already and no pve content, untill "Future seasons" so Essentially, its the same pvp game with a fresh coat of paint nothing special?

    Already feels dead on Arrival honestly.
    PvE content is a separate group that was unbundled from the PvE.

    If they're still sticking to it, the PvE will probably be a one time purchase. Unless they killed it off completely and that wasn't mentioned at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathos View Post
    THE GREED ALREADY BEGUN!

    Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack 39,99€

    Get a head start with the Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack, the home base of your new gameplay experience, which features everything you need to get started Overwatch® 2 on Day 1.

    Upon launch in October, you will receive the following Overwatch® 2 in-game content: Season 1 Premium Battle Pass, two (2) Legendary Hero Skins - Space Raider Cassidy & Space Raider Soldier 76, 2000 Overwatch® 2 Virtual Currency, and an early purchase exclusive Overwatch® 2 Player Icon.

    Purchase and immediately receive Overwatch®: Legendary Edition, with the included five (5) Legendary and five (5) Epic skins.


    HERE WE HAVE IT!! SOMEHOW IM NOT IMPRESSED....I FEEL SAD
    [Citation Needed]

    Not defending the action, just want to see proof of it
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  6. #46
    It doesn't really matter how much MMOC dislikes this game now that it's F2P. It's going to have so many players now its disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    [Citation Needed]

    Not defending the action, just want to see proof of it
    It's on the Blizzard store
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    Yeah.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathos View Post
    THE GREED ALREADY BEGUN!

    Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack 39,99€

    Get a head start with the Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack, the home base of your new gameplay experience, which features everything you need to get started Overwatch® 2 on Day 1.

    Upon launch in October, you will receive the following Overwatch® 2 in-game content: Season 1 Premium Battle Pass, two (2) Legendary Hero Skins - Space Raider Cassidy & Space Raider Soldier 76, 2000 Overwatch® 2 Virtual Currency, and an early purchase exclusive Overwatch® 2 Player Icon.

    Purchase and immediately receive Overwatch®: Legendary Edition, with the included five (5) Legendary and five (5) Epic skins.


    HERE WE HAVE IT!! SOMEHOW IM NOT IMPRESSED....I FEEL SAD
    Everyone who signs up for the new beta is planned to get in by some point in July, they say as much. This is for beta access after that beta opt-in period ends, or just being "first" in the beta day one. If letting customers pay to get in the beta a few weeks ahead of everyone else is greedy... its the customers who are that impatient to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I mean, unless Dota 2 revamped theirs, it was nearly impossible to finish compendiums without buying level boosts unless you played far too much.

    Honestly an ideal one would look like Fortnites older ones in my opinion, or Hearthstones. Both are pretty easy to cruise through while playing like twice a week.
    Hearthstone especially, I usually knock out just the weeklies and still get it done.

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    PvE content is a separate group that was unbundled from the PvE.

    If they're still sticking to it, the PvE will probably be a one time purchase. Unless they killed it off completely and that wasn't mentioned at all.
    I still think it's more unhealthy if a game forces you via FOMO to play the battlepass rather than giving you the option to also buy it if you can't manage to finish it before a season ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    It is insidious & predatory. But it is also standard of the industry. You can tell Overwatch 2 was an attempt to get people to pay for Overwatch again with what is essentially a large patch, but lucky for them they realized they shouldn't do this & made OW2 Free to play.
    From the very start Blizzard stated that OW2 would be free for the PvP side and only required to enjoy the PvE side. If you bought OW1 you would get to play with all maps, heroes, and modes as well as with OW2 players. So there was no attempt to get people to buy something again and Free to Play only makes it so new players no longer have to buy OW1 or OW2.

    There are plenty of things to hate on Blizzard over that you don't need to invent conspiracies to do so.
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    you don't think

    "HEY GUYS GET THIS LIMITED TIME SKIN IF YOU COMPLETE THE BATTLE PASS"

    is in the least bit predatory and/or scummy?

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    [Citation Needed]

    Not defending the action, just want to see proof of it
    its on battle net, i copy paste it

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    As someone who missed out on some of the last rewards of various hearthstone battlepass tracks because I lost interest in playing later during a season, having the option to spend a few euros to finish the track for that season and get my rewards would have been awesome. So no, nothing "insidious" on the ones that you can pay to finish ...
    It's insidious because the way most of them work is "pay, and I let you try to get shit if you still keep playing" (disclaimer: most of them need to be played like no-lifers to reach to the end, or even impossible without paying to jump ahead)
    The way it should work is "pay once, unlock when you want" in the sense of, once you payed, you can play at your own pace and you won't lose anything of what you already paid.
    The time/amount limited, PAID shit is a really terrible scourge that entered the game industry, where it has no place, because these limits are completely artificial outside of creating pressure on player to spend money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronius View Post
    It'd be pretty hilarious if OW1 ended up having more players than OW2 after a few months.
    OW1 would be automatically upgraded to OW2 once it launches. there would be no more OW1.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathos View Post
    THE GREED ALREADY BEGUN!

    Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack 39,99€

    Get a head start with the Overwatch® 2: Watchpoint Pack, the home base of your new gameplay experience, which features everything you need to get started Overwatch® 2 on Day 1.

    Upon launch in October, you will receive the following Overwatch® 2 in-game content: Season 1 Premium Battle Pass, two (2) Legendary Hero Skins - Space Raider Cassidy & Space Raider Soldier 76, 2000 Overwatch® 2 Virtual Currency, and an early purchase exclusive Overwatch® 2 Player Icon.

    Purchase and immediately receive Overwatch®: Legendary Edition, with the included five (5) Legendary and five (5) Epic skins.


    HERE WE HAVE IT!! SOMEHOW IM NOT IMPRESSED....I FEEL SAD
    This has been normal for almost 2 decades boomers

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    Nope. Not coming until sometime in 2023. I find that rather weird. They have worked on this game for a long time.
    Seriously. The PVE stuff is why I was excited for this to come out.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Don't spend money?


    If you're playing a game enough that you are hitting a weekly cap, then inevitably you are playing enough that you're going to progress the whole way through a battle pass anyway, so why are you spending money to keep going? So that you hit the end early and then spend weeks getting nothing at all?

    If you're someone who doesn't want to spend money on pixels in a video game but literally cannot help yourself and spend money on pixels in a video game: I'm sorry, but that's not a dev marketing team's fault for being """""insidious""""" and """"predatory"""" (read: using the same rarity of commodity approach that has been used in commerce for the past 5,000 years of human history)--You have a serious personal problem regarding inability to control yourself and should seek professional help to talk to in order to work through your self-control and impulsivity issues.

    It's the same logic as gambling or drinking. You don't need to outlaw gambling and start back up prohibition because a handful of people with serious internal issues are gambling addicts and alcoholics despite the other 97% of adults who engage in gambling or drinking (even excess drinking) managing to show some self-control. Nor do you need to put up a bunch of restrictions on what restaurants can or can't sell because some people cannot stop stuffing their faces full of sugar and fried foods.

    If you want to put it on alcohol equivalent, it would be bar charging a montly pass just for entering the establishment and giving you a "free" amount of beers and snacks per day (let's say a can of beer and 4 peanuts), and if you miss a day, you lose those "free" beers". You can't go the next day and say "I'll get today's plus yesterday's beers, thanks".
    The thing is, the amount they charge you is the equivalen of drinking 3 beers and 2 bowls of snacks per day. So people end paying more in the end that what would cost without a "pass model", but it's concealed so good that usually people don't notice how they play on their human-psyche flaws.

    It's using human psicology to make people spend money, like casinos.
    And this thing started like 25 or so years ago, with game expansions. They seemed fair at the start, adding new content, but jsut a few years down the road they realized "why release a full game when we can cut it up in pieces and sell them at a full box price".
    Then they came the DLCs: "it's like expansion packs, but more frecuent, smaller and cheaper".
    Then they stopped to be cheaper.
    Then they added the loot-boxes: "it's like a DLC but with surprise", but in reality is like trading card envelopes but completly ethereal, untradeable (with really few exceptions), and you don't really own the items.
    Then they though: "why put random shit for people to buy, when they can pay for a chance to work to earn something!", and lo and behold, battlepasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    you don't think "HEY GUYS GET THIS LIMITED TIME SKIN IF YOU COMPLETE THE BATTLE PASS" is in the least bit predatory and/or scummy?
    It isn't the first time Overwatch has had a limited time skin so it is really a moot point.
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  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerph- View Post
    This is spot on. Their way of making money has just gradually been getting worse and worse.

    What Blizzard is turning in to (or already has become?) makes me feel sorta sad. I mean I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but it's just sort of disappointing I guess seeing as I spent a lot of time playing their games. It gives me little hope for Diablo 4 and anything else coming in the future.
    "gradually getting worse and worse" is just bullshit and you being dishonest. Sure, Diablo Immortal's monetization system sucks, but 1 game isn't the same as gradually getting worse...

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    I love the lore of Overwatch, I love the characters. But, I hate over monetized games. I know businesses have to make money, but there are honest ways to make money and crappy ways to make money.
    Yet riot is constantly praised when they release two champs VS 50+ skins + over 10 battle passes every year; while Blizzard is demonized for exactly the same reason.

    How exactly do you think they will get money if they release a f2p game with no cosmetic content and/or battle passes and/or lootboxes?

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by ketsui View Post
    This has been normal for almost 2 decades boomers
    And thats the problem: young people aren't really aware of how much they are being ripped off nowadays compared to how it used to be just 2 decades away, because they were too young or hadn't been born yet and they don't have the context of what it's happening: basically the gambling industry taking over the game industry to use it as a vehicle for it's business.

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