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  1. #141
    Anything that is available in store should also be available through playing the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Yeah, "Seek help", wink wink. Just admit you don't give a shit about predatory practices - or worse, it's okay when daddy Blizzard does it - and remove your signature entirely.
    Do you go preach about sales being predatory in shops as well? Are you going to claim FOMO because you weren't able to buy something at a lower price than normal? Or are you just not able to accept that stores have offers? Where's your complaint about the discounts on services? That is FOMO inducing too, what about concerts?

    Are discounts predatory practices too? Are events predatory practices too?

    And no, I'm not going to remove my signature, how much you might kick and scream, if you have a FOMO problem, seek help, talk to someone, there are specialists in the field.

    I could understand your foaming around the mouth if it was limited items, but it ain't, I said 10 sets of gear, the same ones, every Christmas. But you most likely didn't read that.
    FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    I don’t play Diablo and my IQ is rather high.
    I didn't mean you specificaly, I'm explaining in generic terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soimu View Post
    Fey Dragon, Grinning Reaver and some other mounts could have easily been added as rewards in the game because they already existed in the game as flight path mount but no they were added in the shop and we got a ton of reused mounts instead. Wake up people and stop defending this bullshit practice. It is the reason why now we have games like Diablo Immortal.
    If they weren't going to the shop, they wouldn't have been added in the first place, the shop mounts tend to be rejects of the main production list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOM_RUS View Post
    Anything that is available in store should also be available through playing the game.
    Technically is, with the token.

    Hence why I think the 2nd human should be cut out, and the token should be sold at a vendor for 250k gold, use it for gametime or battle.net currency.
    FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOM_RUS View Post
    Anything that is available in store should also be available through playing the game.
    Everything in the store IS available through playing the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    Everything in the store IS available through playing the game.
    No its not, at least not the way it should. It should not involve converting gold and wow tokens. I'm talking about actual gameplay... Like some quests, challenges, dailies, grind or something.

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    Blizzard really needs to fill the store with cool transmogs, since ingame we won't have many anyway. Use FF as an example, it has a price to buy the game, it has a subscription and even so the store is full of cool cosmetics and nobody freaks out. If anyone wants to buy it, buy it and that's it.
    Everything from the store you can get ingame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOM_RUS View Post
    No its not, at least not the way it should. It should not involve converting gold and wow tokens. I'm talking about actual gameplay... Like some quests, challenges, dailies, grind or something.
    "Like some quests, challenges, dailies, grind or something." -> GOLD -> Token -> Store

    Open your eyes. You are just complaining about the method of in-game acquisition.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2022 - that's two-zero-two-two, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of double-masked tripple-jabbed sissies who stand with Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOM_RUS View Post
    No its not, at least not the way it should. It should not involve converting gold and wow tokens. I'm talking about actual gameplay... Like some quests, challenges, dailies, grind or something.
    You can do all of that and get everything in the cash shop. Just make gold, go to AH and buy tokens with gold, convert the token to Bnet balance and get the thing you want. It's no different than buying a mount from an in-game vendor, just with an extra step or two.

    The only reason to cry about the cash shop is A) A person sucks at making gold. And, B) That person also doesn't have money to spend. So they need for the game to give them rewards for pushing buttons better in dungeons or having more free time to grind raids/M+ or whatnot.

    It's way past time for people to grow up and stop demanding that everything be catered solely to the way that they, personally, do things. Some people are good at dungeoning, some people work at better RL jobs, some people sink all their free time into being the very bestest Mythic raider they can ... all of them should have options for acquiring what they'd like to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoibert the Bear View Post
    What is it with corpo cock sucking lately?

    Dystopian levels of clownery.
    I don't know. It seems like we have a lot of investors and shareholders here, not actual gamers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    "Like some quests, challenges, dailies, grind or something." -> GOLD -> Token -> Store

    Open your eyes. You are just complaining about the method of in-game acquisition.
    Probably because he's aware that for a wow token to be available, somewhere in the pipeline, somebody had to pay Blizzard money (a lot more than the worth of the token, even) to provide that token and that by leaning so hard on them, all you're doing is feeding into that cycle.

    Blizzard doesn't suddenly not get paid just because you decide to buy WoW tokens. You're not playing the system or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Probably because he's aware that for a wow token to be available, somewhere in the pipeline, somebody had to pay Blizzard money
    I fail to see how that's even remotely relevant. He has to pay to even play the game and want those store items.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2022 - that's two-zero-two-two, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of double-masked tripple-jabbed sissies who stand with Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantazma View Post
    A few years ago Blizzard launched those skull hoods (fire and ice) in the store and the repercussion of this was quite negative. Many players kicked anyone who entered the Raid using an xmog paid with real money. For them, a real offense.

    Well, time has passed and the store is full of mounts that are obtainable for real money. (Weird logic. You can raid a shop mount but not shop xmogs...well...).
    And time passed even more and now we have two xmogs (pretty weird, I must say) in the store and this time we didn't have any "riots" because of it.

    Using the same logic as the mounts in the store I ask: ... Why doesn't Blizzard fill the store with really cool xmogs (including some really full black for rogues plz) for people to buy?? I would pay (a similar price to mounts) for a really cool set that matches my main class.
    What is your opinion on this??

    p.s: Forgive something wrong. English is not my first language.
    Few months ago I would have said I didn't care but after seeing diablo immortal and what could end up being. I am 100% anything in a cash shop at this point.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Hence why I think the 2nd human should be cut out, and the token should be sold at a vendor for 250k gold, use it for gametime or battle.net currency.
    I'm not entirely against this, as it's kind of comparable to buy 10 get the 11th for free type coupons. I don't know why it would have to involve gold deletion instead of the free market trade we have now, but I understand some people want to literally eat the "rich" even in a video game. I've been really comfortable on gold ever since I learned about basic economics back in 2007, I suggest other people do the same and kinda appreciate that there are other people who are willing to cover my game sub for a little gold. I like that my gold goes to help fund someone else and isn't just removed from existence.

    As far as Transmogs in the store, I don't really care that much, but I don't want it to become habitual or get out of control. I usually naked mog my character anyway and if possible I always use the Stinkrot Smasher fish-mace mog because it's absolutely amazing. What I don't want to see is all the new mog looking like trash and all the cool mog with interesting effects ending up in the game shop, which is what happens in basically every game that leans into game shop character customization. At the end of the day it won't affect me either way, I very rarely like any armor mog enough to wear it, but I already have enough of the mog I would actually want to use to keep me happy.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post

    fixed that for you, its very low for whats available, hell 2cinema tickets are about the same price in my country, and its really not rich country (Slovakia)
    There are games with 10 times the amount of content (relevant content, not outdated raids/dungeons) that are entirely free to play. It's pointless to compare a video game to cinema ticket prices, you should compare it to other video games that don't charge you a sub fee at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post

    just... no
    the celestial set from shop is the ugliest set in the whole game, its more detailed, but definitely not better looking...
    That's fair, I don't particularly like the look of it either but looking at it compared to the Tier sets they made is actually depressing. They haven't put that kind of effort into an in-game set for YEARS. Just to incentivise people to spend unnecessary money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post

    sub is the same for all of wow existance, its not higher THANKS TO SHOP ffs...
    they are business NOT A GODDAMN CHARITY, do you understand basics of economics? seems like not...
    Uhh, WoW's sub fee has increased multiple times, fairly recently too. Just last year it increased by almost 20% for Australian players, at least. I've got nothing against it, they changed it to a flat rate instead of changing with exchange rates but in the process bumped it up by about $4.50 a month. When I started in 2006 it was roughly $14-15 a month, now it's $19.95.

    Plus, the game going F2P brings in a massive amount of new/returning players who would be potentially willing to spend money on cosmetics if they weren't paying a sub fee. On top of that, they'd continue to sell all the transfer services/tokens that they do now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they already made more money than sub fees, considering how many people are able to pay their subs with gold alone these days.

    Also the game ran fine, and got more content before the in-game shop was introduced. It's made no difference to the amount, quality or speed of content updates, so to use the "they're not a charity" argument for this discussion really doesn't hold any ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    and i find it absolutely stupid and selfish to have attitude "i dont want to pay for shop items so NOBODY should have them", bcs without shop they wouldnt be ingame, they would simply not exist, if you are not bright enough to realise that its sad, but thats reality
    See, you misunderstand the entire point. I don't want the shop items to be gone, I want them to be earnable in-game through achievements and actually playing the damn game. But you're right, I would prefer them to not exist than to only be purchasable with real money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain View Post
    Then why not increase the subscription fee? It's fallen way behind on inflation, even pre-2020. A subscription fee at least doesn't entitle players to anything other than the same opportunities every other player gets.
    Because some people couldn't afford it then? I'd rather keep the sub fee as is and let some whales pour in the money otherwise. I mean, but let's be honest they're also banking money off streaming etc via YouTube and Twitch so one could argue that fits the space where sub cost increase would be.

  16. #156
    Base Game Sub : 15 €
    Xpac : 60 €
    Tokens : 20 €
    Mounts : 25 €
    Xmog : 20-25 €



    how about no?

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    Why would you want it in the store and not obtainable by ... you know (*unpopular opinion*) ... PLAYING THE DAMN GAME that you already pay a sub and purchase the expansion for.
    Unfortunately, this isn't an option.

    A majority of the equipment / sets that make it into the actual game aren't very good or interesting. The stuff that was in the store was 100x better than a lot of the stuff you can earn in the game.

    If there was an option to earn those / similar in game - I'd jump at that. But Blizzard has already proven they're not going to put as much effort into interesting equipment unless it's for the cash shop. Which is something people knew would happen & worried when the first mount was available and others told them to stop doomsaying.

    But here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanaticDreamer View Post
    Unfortunately, this isn't an option.

    A majority of the equipment / sets that make it into the actual game aren't very good or interesting. The stuff that was in the store was 100x better than a lot of the stuff you can earn in the game.

    If there was an option to earn those / similar in game - I'd jump at that. But Blizzard has already proven they're not going to put as much effort into interesting equipment unless it's for the cash shop. Which is something people knew would happen & worried when the first mount was available and others told them to stop doomsaying.

    But here we are.
    The "demand" should be for them to create cool sets then and not "please blizz rip me off in order to create a cool set"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    lol... SL had fucked up pacing for sure, but 9.2 alone gave more content than some games get over their lifetime... hell despite having only 2 major patches SL got more patch content than wrath, which was the "peak" of the game... life support my ass...

    but there is easy solution if you dont think the content is enough for sub price - unsub
    Yes and that's exactly what I did, as did many people. You realize that people can spend time on a forum about MMOs without being subbed to WoW, right?

    When you compare to literally any other MMO - or even past expansions - the rate at which WoW releases content is embarrassing. Either it's life support or they've been spending too much time molesting their own employees to update the game at a reasonable pace, pick one. I went with the more generous interpretation.

    A game this stagnant should not be releasing store mounts and transmog sets when we're set to see likely over a year of a content drought.
    Last edited by Irian; 2022-06-21 at 04:51 PM.
    If you reply to me with a full essay I'm probably not going to bother reading it, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    The "demand" should be for them to create cool sets then and not "please blizz rip me off in order to create a cool set"
    To be fair, I entirely agree with you.

    But the fanbase can't stick together for anything and thus this will never happen :/

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