The Ideal legendary system was in Firelands, and it can be improved, with a caveat.

[Thoriangun]

I still fail to see what is wrong with the Shadowlands Legendary system. Everyone on this forum keeps complaining about it that you have to spend gold on it, because one part is crafted (lol), but other than that it worked out really well.

The crafting isn't an issue, I am fine with crafted gear.


The issue with Shadowlands legendary system was that a huge part of the expansion system was tied to it, this in my eyes also means it gives less flexibility to what we get, it took Blizz to grit their teeth really hard to add tier sets again because lets face it, it conflicts with the legendarys really hard as you would want the tier sets but no longer want any legendary items to fill those slots.

Mean the shard system was their way of trying to have tier sets without adding tier sets so that the legendary items could still be used.

Can you see the conflicting interest here, I would rather have the tier sets back in the game as normal and hopefully these are not one offs going forward but this is only true as long as we don't have a conflict of items.

Also means the rest of the game is more open to flexibility in design.

[Elias1337]

No.

It caused lots of friction within guilds because people got labelled more (or less) important than others, and was just bad.

The current system is not perfect but definitely a lot better.

Hahaah i was in second best guild on the realm and i was first guy in guild to be offered firelands legendary. Nobady absolutly nobady in that guild had any objections. And everybody accepted way legedaries were distributed. Do you know why ? Becouse people in guilds play for group achievements not for their own personal gains. Its just people like you what still use guilds and other players as means to your ends but not as your comrades to defeate strong enemy.

[Nerph-]

Hahaah i was in second best guild on the realm and i was first guy in guild to be offered firelands legendary. Nobady absolutly nobady in that guild had any objections. And everybody accepted way legedaries were distributed. Do you know why ? Becouse people in guilds play for group achievements not for their own personal gains. Its just people like you what still use guilds and other players as means to your ends but not as your comrades to defeate strong enemy.

That's cute, pretending to think you know me or anything about me

Just because your guild had no issue with it doesn't mean other guilds didn't.

[Orange Joe]

Good. That's why it's a multiplayer game. Why did you make a guild to begin with since guilds always have friction by the mere fact humans are in them?

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Why do you even play a multiplayer game then?
For 1 vs everyone combat?

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Don't be stuck in the word "guild". It could be done with a community too.

Point is to not be yet another mundane single player game.

Guild are not the only thing that make this game multiplayer.

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Well i also played TBC without getting a legendary. Someone else got them. And i was fine with it.

And in Wotlk to. I don't like the whole "i need everything" mentality. A legendary is not legendary if it is this eas to obtain. Thereotically in the old system everyone could get it. But they won't because it would take longer than the tier is running. That is OK. I still remeber seeing the first person with both glaives in TBC back then.

Or that one guy on my server who had a atiesh. It was actually legendary.

You don't run the raids to only get the leggendary. You also get the normal loot and play the game.

There is absolutly nothing legendary about the SL or legion legendaries. Or any of the other quest legendaries. Epic at most. Color was an indicator of rarity... I don't even know what this color means anymore. Epics from quests. Leggos... buyable... blues are utterly useless and there is no reason for greens anymore to exist.

If you play in a guild group you help others get stronger and they help you in return. Someone will always get better loot.

Forced personal loot and goodwill legendaries make loot feel meaningless and/or worthless.

who says this? "legendary" just like "epic" and "rare" refers to item QUALITY, not rarity.

[Velerios]

MoP was the best, no question. The Cloak was tightly integrated into the main story, you actually got attached to an item and in the end it became the best. You can scream about welfare-item as much as you want, this system works and except for some butterflies, everyone that i knew ingame loved the system.

People want to have something they can improve over time. Just look at the artefact-weapon. And yes, i compare both, since legendaries in legion were an RNG-Fiesta that no one liked back then. The Artefact-Weapon were an item that was relevant over the whole expansion and i really didn't see anyone complain about this.

That something blizzard simply don't understand: people want to get attached to something. Having loot every patch that gets replaced with the next version is not something everyone desire. But having at least 1 item that gets better and better and better until it becomes legendary, i don't see anything bad with this system.

[Whitepaw]

It was great, if you were a caster.

Oh, and those who got those weapons could suddenly skip to another guild.

[Elias1337]

It was great, if you were a caster.

Oh, and those who got those weapons could suddenly skip to another guild.

Yeah that literaly never happend so.

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That's cute, pretending to think you know me or anything about me

Just because your guild had no issue with it doesn't mean other guilds didn't.

I am not preteding anything. Its same when people talk about Master Looter. You all start talking about all these negattive things what literaly happen in most extreme cases and tiny minority of guilds and use it as excuse for not having it in the game. 99,9% of guilds never had any of this issues at all.

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I'd argue MoP/WoD was the best. You leveled it up throughout the whole xpac so when it finally became orange you felt like you accomplished something

It never felt acomplishing. Content you had to do to upgrade those legendary items was joke. It was non challenging grind what any braindead monkey could do.

[Alvito]

I don't think I've seen anything cause as much poaching as Tarecgosa did. Happy that you seem to have had a positive experience with it but I saw guilds collapse over it.

Unfortunately anything with a large time and group investment tied to it like the Ulduar mace or FL staff is going to face that. I was the first person on my server to get it and soon after I had groups off realm reaching out to me trying to pay for my transfer to their servers. Something I would never do, but I also don't really fault people for going to a group that is probably much further along in progression and seeking you out and paying for moves.

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My guild & i didn't like it back then. Farming the mats for people in our 10man grp was pure pain when DS was out allready, the staff was just too good & kinda needed at spine.
I can't imagine how horrible it must have been in 25 man groups.

The drop rates were massively increased for 25 man groups. So they could build staves much faster and always have people at each stage of gathering. I knew a few 10.man raids that would team up to outfit players faster in a 25 setting. That system was chaos start to finish and I do not miss it at all.

[Pandragon]

The best system was the MoP/WoD legendaries. One legendary that you leveled up through the entire expansion that tied into the story and was independent of how many other people in the raid could use it.

[Bladesyphon]

Genuinely curious what's the TLDR from anyone who has played GW2 enough to get a legendary there?

As others have already said - It's crafted by gathering materials that you obtain pretty much through all forms of content in the game - open world, dungeons, easy-mode raids, PvP, World bosses, etc., the grind takes a significant time (around six months on average to make your first, but ones after generally come quicker), and rewards you with a uniquely skinned weapon that, stat wise, is identical to the more easily acquired BiS gear, but has the ability to freely change the stats on it without cost, and it looks really cool.

It's the very definition of a horizontal, rather than vertical, form of progression, which means it would never work in WoW where most players are pretty fixated on power increases based on time spent.

[jeezusisacasual]

The best system was the MoP/WoD legendaries. One legendary that you leveled up through the entire expansion that tied into the story and was independent of how many other people in the raid could use it.

This is the best way to do it honestly, sure you got a few who made a ton of early gold from the current iteration but this promoted an expansion long event that wanted you to upgrade them as they went along. Just remove the raid only aspects and boom perfect.

[Nerph-]

Yeah that literaly never happend so.

It happened all the time, people left guilds to join "better" guilds once they'd gotten decent enough gear. Happened a lot in the guild I was in in vanilla.

I am not preteding anything. Its same when people talk about Master Looter. You all start talking about all these negattive things what literaly happen in most extreme cases and tiny minority of guilds and use it as excuse for not having it in the game. 99,9% of guilds never had any of this issues at all.

You are pretending though, because you know nothing about me.

As for it only happening in extreme cases, keep living in the fantasy world you're in I guess.

[Celement]

As others have already said - It's crafted by gathering materials that you obtain pretty much through all forms of content in the game - open world, dungeons, easy-mode raids, PvP, World bosses, etc., the grind takes a significant time (around six months on average to make your first, but ones after generally come quicker), and rewards you with a uniquely skinned weapon that, stat wise, is identical to the more easily acquired BiS gear, but has the ability to freely change the stats on it without cost, and it looks really cool.

It's the very definition of a horizontal, rather than vertical, form of progression, which means it would never work in WoW where most players are pretty fixated on power increases based on time spent.

I have to agree if they introduced a legendary based around skill level the community would shriek. They got upset with slyvannas's bow and that weapon was just an ilv stick outside of mythic plus.

[Archmage Alodi]

I'd rather them being a reward for solo challenges, like mage tower but harder.

[ZazuuPriest]

Except ppl were complaining a ton because they didnt want to be in a guild. It also created a lot of in-guilds friction as you had to practically make a ranking of players and ppl dont like to be labeled. Skill and community? It was guaranteed drops and required a guild, not sure where that falls on the community scale.

Imo the best legendary system was actually the artifact system (minus the poor grinding it required). It was interesting, lore-related and personal to your character.

people still believe the myth that you needed to grind AP in legion to be competitive? LOL

[kronides]

You practically had to do it with a guild and the more skilled your guild was: the faster you got it. Not only that but you couldn't just weasel your way into a guild and then get it in a few days. The 1st to get it was always the most important character to get it and in big-enough guilds that was never the carry or the new guy.
That had the gigantic advantage of combining both skill and community; it was no longer an RNG shitfest; it wasn't enough to pay a guild and carry you if you wanted to be the 1st to get it.

And it can be easily improved, by not restricting it only to a few specs. That can even be done by stretching it across an expansion to multiple raids.

The caveat? People need to play actually an MMO. It's not welfare; it's not carrying; it's not RNG.

Yeah, I'm glad that shit design from the 1990s is gone and is never coming back.

[Itisamuh]

Sounds terrible. I would rather be able to get it for myself without relying on others, if they must exist at all.

[Zyrinx]

Holy crap, no. Terrible idea. The current system is way better... with a caveat.

I actually agree - if the leveling craft was as it is now from the start - good system

Legion was better though.

[Elias1337]

It happened all the time, people left guilds to join "better" guilds once they'd gotten decent enough gear. Happened a lot in the guild I was in in vanilla.



You are pretending though, because you know nothing about me.

As for it only happening in extreme cases, keep living in the fantasy world you're in I guess.

No it didnt happen all the time.

[Seiken3]

Mm, I'd say it laid a good idea of how it should be achieved, but had a lot of improvements. It should be available to those outside guilds as well, but make it faster/easier to do it through a guild to encourage being in a guild.
Blizzard's problem for a while now is defining what it is. Is it a MMO where everyone can do everything, or is it an MMO where only those who put real effort through teams and cooperation will get the highest rewards? An MMO shouldn't always pave the way for those who play solo, but of course - allow it to be done that way, to some degree. Yes, it is actually possible AND ALLOWED to say you're playing the game wrong. Personally I'd try to please the larger group of players and accept crying from the smaller groups than trying to cater to everyone, leaving everyone crying either way.

So until Blizzard actually can grow a pair and decide how they want to define themselves and their game, I fear it will be a long time till we get a legendary-system that works well.