Arthas in shadowLand - Alternate universoe wow ending

[zarkonan]

Through out shadowland campaign, story should be revolving around a captive soul in maw which jailer using to gain power and dominance over death, however the souls resisting to give all in, Jailer use anduin to subdue him and gain total power, during final battle that souls last remaining essence is all stand b/w jailer plan and world of leaving, player effort and long quest chain across patches finally free him at last moment when all was lost, that souls get free from jailer control along with Anduin and now stand b/w jailer and his plan, while players during final battle almost lost, the soul gain his true form and then fight with jailer with Anduin and defeated the jailer, and at that time its reveal that he is Arthas forever tormented and in-prison by jailer the day he put hands on frostmourne.

All Arthas wanted to save his land, even when consumed by FrostMourne he kept undead from destroying it, and after dead he kept shadow-land destroying leaving world

O Thanagor
An Karanir Thanagor,
Mor Ok Angalor.
Mor Ok Gorum
Palahm Raval.
Ro-mun A'l Ga
Ballog A'l Enthu
Korok Na Boda...

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If you say so

[Steelangel]

Arthas wasn't a hero. He wanted to save his kingdom not for the people but because it was going to be his to rule.

And he went so far as to destroy himself while destroying it.

His ending---a worn soul bereft of power or meaning---is all he deserved.

[Accendor]

His ending---a worn soul bereft of power or meaning---is all he deserved.

No. Just no. Arthas got the ending he deserved, when he fell at the top of icecrown, in the arms of his father, while the fear and hopelessness overtook him "I see only darkness before me..."

That was his ending and it was perfect.

The SL addition is just a travesty.

[Calfredd]

No. Just no. Arthas got the ending he deserved, when he fell at the top of icecrown, in the arms of his father, while the fear and hopelessness overtook him "I see only darkness before me..."

That was his ending and it was perfect.

The SL addition is just a travesty.

What are you complaining about now? Arthas' appearance in Shadowlands was just a cameo and nothing majorly important. "Just a travesty" my goodness.

[Magical Mudcrab]

What are you complaining about now? Arthas' appearance in Shadowlands was just a cameo and nothing majorly important. "Just a travesty" my goodness.

In terms of the storytelling it is. Arthas didn't really appear as a character, but the "idea" of Arthas was solely to act as a plot device to give Sylvanas unearned closure, whereas Uther, Jaina, or Anduin receive none. This is even worse when you consider that his appearance was used to sell Shadowlands, with the Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion intentionally featuring him and teasing his presence in the Maw; they used the most popular Warcraft character to have ever been created to sell the expansion and decided to dispose of him to further what is arguably the worst character arc in Warcraft.

(Note: this isn't to say that the OP's post is any good, just that Arthas' appearance in Shadowlands was clearly stupid)

[AlmightyGerkin]

this is the actual ending

[Shampro]

In terms of the storytelling it is. Arthas didn't really appear as a character, but the "idea" of Arthas was solely to act as a plot device to give Sylvanas unearned closure, whereas Uther, Jaina, or Anduin receive none. This is even worse when you consider that his appearance was used to sell Shadowlands, with the Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion intentionally featuring him and teasing his presence in the Maw; they used the most popular Warcraft character to have ever been created to sell the expansion and decided to dispose of him to further what is arguably the worst character arc in Warcraft.

(Note: this isn't to say that the OP's post is any good, just that Arthas' appearance in Shadowlands was clearly stupid)

''Unearned closure'' Arthas literally victimized everyone there and worst of all Sylvanas in the worst ways possible. Fuck Arthas and his fanboys. I'm glad he got the finger. His dad in ICC is more than he deserved....after murdering him too.

[Mic_128]

Arthas wasn't a hero. He wanted to save his kingdom not for the people but because it was going to be his to rule.

Nah, it was entirely about his inadequacies and inability to save the day, his crusade becoming entirely personal.

[Clone]

No thanks. Arthas got the end he deserved.

[ceall]

You really shouldn't skip english class OP.
Didn't understand half of what's been posted.

[Magical Mudcrab]

''Unearned closure'' Arthas literally victimized everyone there and worst of all Sylvanas in the worst ways possible. Fuck Arthas and his fanboys. I'm glad he got the finger. His dad in ICC is more than he deserved....after murdering him too.

Your irrational and poorly thought out hatred of Arthas aside, what did Sylvanas do to earn this closure? Over the course of a decade she participated in two ethnic cleansings, human experimentation, and a myriad of other fucked-up stuff all on her own volition. She then went on to serve Zovaal, who was very clearly evil to literally everyone in the story, and proceeded to have an "I will never serve" moment in Sanctum of Domination, which was received badly if for no other reason than Zovaal having done nothing particularly bad at that time. "I was ok with you having created the Lich King and being directly responsible for Arthas becoming evil and the Scourge ravaging the Eastern Kingdoms, and was ok with you taking sentient souls and destroying them to create weapons, but using domination magic on Bolvar, Thrall, and Jaina is too far." The entirety of her arc was stupid and her redemption made no sense. She didn't do anything to earn closure, and the arguments around "well, her soul was split" more-or-less absolves Arthas from everything unambiguously evil he did after picking up Frostmourne, which would be obviously dumb.

[shadowmatrix]

The entirety of her arc was stupid and her redemption made no sense. She didn't do anything to earn closure, and the arguments around "well, her soul was split" more-or-less absolves Arthas from everything unambiguously evil he did after picking up Frostmourne, which would be obviously dumb.

Except the conclusion of her arc was that she took responsibility for her actions. No excuses, no shifting blame to Arthas, Zovaal, or Frostmourne, just acceptance of her crimes and punishment.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Except the conclusion of her arc was that she took responsibility for her actions. No excuses, no shifting blame to Arthas, Zovaal, or Frostmourne, just acceptance of her crimes and punishment.

Except the punishment you see as redeeming was just her receiving everything that she wanted: the Shadowlands changed in the way she had wanted (i.e.: the replacement of the Arbiter), and she was given the ability to spend time in the Maw looking for Nathanos (which she would have done anyways) with the prospect of also receiving forgiveness (or the closest thing you can get to it) from the Night Elves. Her entire redemption arc could be summarized as "everyone blindly forgives Sylvanas and only the Night Elves get any justice", with "justice" very loosely meaning "some of the Night Elves whose souls haven't been destroyed by the Mawsworn get saved". The entire arc was unearned, predicated on retcons that many people did not like, and the ending doesn't take into account how she wronged every other race other than the Night Elves. It's a clusterfuck of bad narrative development that ignored everything not contained to the small band of context that the writing team selected as source material, which very obviously didn't even include recent books like Before the Storm as Sylvanas' motivations aren't consistent between that book and the apparent continuity of BfA, Shadowlands, and the Sylvanas novel (which aren't even always consistent in and of themselves).

[shadowmatrix]

Her entire redemption arc could be summarized as "everyone blindly forgives Sylvanas and only the Night Elves get any justice", with "justice" very loosely meaning "some of the Night Elves whose souls haven't been destroyed by the Mawsworn get saved". The entire arc was unearned, predicated on retcons that many people did not like, and the ending doesn't take into account how she wronged every other race other than the Night Elves.

Sylvanas has the task of saving every soul from the Maw even if she wasn't responsible for them being killed in the first place, every race will benefit from her punishment.
Their justice will be the souls of their people getting a fair shot at redemption and rebirth rather then eternal damnation.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Sylvanas has the task of saving every soul from the Maw even if she wasn't responsible for them being killed in the first place, every race will benefit from her punishment.

What about the Gilneans who were massacred and died choking on blight?
What about the people she subjected to experimentation before terminating them?
What about her unleashing the Scourge by destroying the Helm of Domination, which has led to people facing their horror all over again and many being forcibly damned by being raised into undeath?
Her helping condemn people to the Maw is one crime of many and saving those souls does nothing to actually deal with the trauma she caused people in life, let alone in death.

Their justice will be the souls of their people getting a fair shot at redemption and rebirth rather then eternal damnation.

What about the souls that couldn't be recovered? The souls that were broken down by the Mawsworn into armaments or simply tortured until they ceased existing? Recovering souls is great, but this doesn't even begin undo the damage she helped cause. It's not restorative to the victims and it's definitely not punitive because she was going to the Maw to search for Nathanos anyways.

[Kithelle]

The only thing that should have been different was Sylvanas shouldn't have gotten the last words with the last of his spirit...Jaina and Uther should have the last words

[Luck4]

I'm glad Arthas didn't appear in Shadowlands.

Arthas and Illidan are the most memorable characters in this franchise, and I would be extremely upset if Arthas had been butchered like Sylvanas.

Sylvanas was an interesting character in the past, but nowadays her character is such a joke that I don't even care anymore what will happen to her.

[Accendor]

What are you complaining about now? Arthas' appearance in Shadowlands was just a cameo and nothing majorly important. "Just a travesty" my goodness.

I hope you are joking, it literally was spitting on his lore legacy and completely ruined his ending. There was no need for it and the fact that they decided to do it anyway showed over again how hopelessly lost the writing department is.

[shadowmatrix]

What about the souls that couldn't be recovered? The souls that were broken down by the Mawsworn into armaments or simply tortured until they ceased existing? Recovering souls is great, but this doesn't even begin undo the damage she helped cause. It's not restorative to the victims and it's definitely not punitive because she was going to the Maw to search for Nathanos anyways.

Punishments rarely undo the damage caused, giving a murderer 50 life sentences doesn't resurrect the victim.