WOTLK was a bad expansion for pvp

[kironto]

No they didnt change the rating, it exists through all the content.

[Osmeric]

No they didnt change the rating, it exists through all the content.

I believe they changed the algorithm used to compute personal ratings soon after Wrath released. There was a lot of churn there in the first season.

[Ryzeth]

hurr durr go to a private server



What a stellar argument. Post on your main account.

[DeltrusDisc]

Wrath had Wintergrasp.
Wrath best PVP.

[Pandragon]

Many people will lose their rose tinted colored glasses hard when they play WOTLK this time around:

[LIST][*]Healers are broken and unkillable[*]Paladins and Death knights are completely broken OP

Can attest to this. I had a max geared Prot Pally as my main then. I remember standing at the entrance of Ulduar fighting 5 Alliance at once(all dps) and them not coming anywhere near killing me.

Also once outside of Kharazan, I fought a Rogue and Resto Druid for 30 minutes before the 3 of us decided to stop fighting or we were never going to do anything else.

[Theonewholurks]

SL/SL locks in shambles.

[Itisamuh]

From what I remember healers were easier to kill in Wrath than probably any other expansion, and most of the other points are exaggerated. That being said though, I never thought Wrath or Mists were the golden eras either.

[Usernameforforums]

Yup pretty much everything here is standard pvp for any expansion

[Dacu]

Yeah dude you totally got me and everything I said is a lie now. Maybe up your IQ and stop using fallacies (red herring, appeal to ridicule) to try (and fail) to make an argument.

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I believe Vanilla was a much better pvp expansion.

Careful guys he has a BA. You say Vanilla was better....it had elite gear only available to the elite grinders. It had HORRIBLE balance, talk about one shotting lol. Rogues killing ANYONE in a cc chain if they know what theyre doing. fear spamming on a lock and just /lol as your dots do their thing. Arms warriors charging and causing targets to just disappear. I want what you're smoking man, gotta get that IQ up

[Utrrabbit]

Many people will lose their rose tinted colored glasses hard when they play WOTLK this time around:

• Healers are broken and unkillable
• Damage from pve gear was broken hence you needed pve items to pvp and there were specs out there using full pve items to onseshot people
• Paladins and Death knights are completely broken OP
• Shadowmourne
• Classes were really imbalanced, people say in this expansion everybody was almost on the same level that is an outright lie
• Forced arenas. Gear is behing arena rating, so people that get there first get an artificial and unfair advantage that will make harder for others to aquire this gear, is complete moronic, imagine if in any pvp game people in higher ranks on top of being better at the game also got bonus to their damage and defense just for being higher than you.

It is really bad, you will see, all you need to do is go to a famous pserver and test the waters there, you will see combat rogues in full pve oneshotting people, paladins that end up leaving both their duels because they can't litterally kill one another due to infinite mana and heals, broken Shadowmourne users oneshoting people left and right, Death knights with litterally no counter class stomping everyone on the ground. Hunters with double Deterrence and tons of traps and slows that will never let you get close to them, healers in BG's deciding who wins because they are completely broken and need at the very minimum 2 skilled players using all their CD's to TRY to kill them because I have seen them surivive 5 people on them.

It's litterally a shitshow. This was bad back in the day where not everybody was minmaxing and tryharding, this will be terrible when this launches, everyone will be the same OP classes, everyone on the same OP specs etc. etc. it will be super toxic.

Excellent than.

[kironto]

hurr durr go to a private server



What a stellar argument. Post on your main account.

Your mediocre adhominems can't make the people interested in knowing the truth don't listen and just go to a pserver and see for themselves, what is awaiting for them.

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Can attest to this. I had a max geared Prot Pally as my main then. I remember standing at the entrance of Ulduar fighting 5 Alliance at once(all dps) and them not coming anywhere near killing me.

Also once outside of Kharazan, I fought a Rogue and Resto Druid for 30 minutes before the 3 of us decided to stop fighting or we were never going to do anything else.

Were you all in pvp gear or you were in pve tanking set? do you happen to know what the rogue was wearing? a full pve combat rogue can really mess you up with killing spree crutch, he probably was sub.

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From what I remember healers were easier to kill in Wrath than probably any other expansion, and most of the other points are exaggerated. That being said though, I never thought Wrath or Mists were the golden eras either.

LMAO healers easy to kill gtfoh

[LedZeppelin]

na cata or mop were far better,but wrath was pretty close

you are very brave

[Dequanacus]

Many people will lose their rose tinted colored glasses hard when they play WOTLK this time around:

• Healers are broken and unkillable
• Damage from pve gear was broken hence you needed pve items to pvp and there were specs out there using full pve items to onseshot people
• Paladins and Death knights are completely broken OP
• Shadowmourne
• Classes were really imbalanced, people say in this expansion everybody was almost on the same level that is an outright lie
• Forced arenas. Gear is behing arena rating, so people that get there first get an artificial and unfair advantage that will make harder for others to aquire this gear, is complete moronic, imagine if in any pvp game people in higher ranks on top of being better at the game also got bonus to their damage and defense just for being higher than you.

It is really bad, you will see, all you need to do is go to a famous pserver and test the waters there, you will see combat rogues in full pve oneshotting people, paladins that end up leaving both their duels because they can't litterally kill one another due to infinite mana and heals, broken Shadowmourne users oneshoting people left and right, Death knights with litterally no counter class stomping everyone on the ground. Hunters with double Deterrence and tons of traps and slows that will never let you get close to them, healers in BG's deciding who wins because they are completely broken and need at the very minimum 2 skilled players using all their CD's to TRY to kill them because I have seen them surivive 5 people on them.

It's litterally a shitshow. This was bad back in the day where not everybody was minmaxing and tryharding, this will be terrible when this launches, everyone will be the same OP classes, everyone on the same OP specs etc. etc. it will be super toxic.

Thanks for reminding people why I enjoy Wrath PvP

[Kyphael]

Wintergrasp says otherwise. Most fun I had in PVP ever.

[Mendzia]

That's funny because there are even hundreds of private server only for WotLK PvP.

[Neuroticaine]

I mean most expansions are bad for PvP. WoW PvP is historically very sub par.

[Aurabolt]

actually wotlk was the golden area lmao

This x 1000. Especially World PvP.

It was a great time to be Alliance. Racking up HKs on a Horde-dominant server came so easy. Especially in Wintergrasp BEFORE the hard caps were put in (240, 120, 80 and then 40). That was when the Horde's numbers advantage was a real liability. LOL.

[Drosul]

All this time later, and people still only remember DKs from season 5....

CONVENIENTLY always forgetting that Blizz nearly bludgeoned them to death with the nerf bat in S6.... The class was the most populated class in game at the time, and had less than half the representation above 2k as the 2nd worse class, hunters, a class that itself was considered to be "broken" at the time.

They recovered back to viability in further patches, and ended up in a solid place by S8...... but even with Smourne, and 100% ArP warriors/rogues running about in that season, I'd much much rather have been a caster at that time. Destro and Ele in particular where absolute monsters with Dislodged Foreign Object.

[VinceVega]

Many people will lose their rose tinted colored glasses hard when they play WOTLK this time around:

• Healers are broken and unkillable
• Damage from pve gear was broken hence you needed pve items to pvp and there were specs out there using full pve items to onseshot people
• Paladins and Death knights are completely broken OP
• Shadowmourne
• Classes were really imbalanced, people say in this expansion everybody was almost on the same level that is an outright lie
• Forced arenas. Gear is behing arena rating, so people that get there first get an artificial and unfair advantage that will make harder for others to aquire this gear, is complete moronic, imagine if in any pvp game people in higher ranks on top of being better at the game also got bonus to their damage and defense just for being higher than you.

It is really bad, you will see, all you need to do is go to a famous pserver and test the waters there, you will see combat rogues in full pve oneshotting people, paladins that end up leaving both their duels because they can't litterally kill one another due to infinite mana and heals, broken Shadowmourne users oneshoting people left and right, Death knights with litterally no counter class stomping everyone on the ground. Hunters with double Deterrence and tons of traps and slows that will never let you get close to them, healers in BG's deciding who wins because they are completely broken and need at the very minimum 2 skilled players using all their CD's to TRY to kill them because I have seen them surivive 5 people on them.

It's litterally a shitshow. This was bad back in the day where not everybody was minmaxing and tryharding, this will be terrible when this launches, everyone will be the same OP classes, everyone on the same OP specs etc. etc. it will be super toxic.

Yeah... who thougth otherwise? Balance between classes should not be worth more than class diversity. In Retail they moved to every class being interchangable with every other. Wotlk had still a bit of class identity. Some classes have been a good deal stronger than others but that is something i can live with as long as the class feels good. You still can raid and raids take you.

Also: Wow never was a big PvP game. PvE was always the focus.... like every single MMORPG. (that is why New World suddenly pulled dungeons out of nowhere) so don't chance classes/balance for PvP and affect PvE with it in turn.

PvE > PvP.

[Fitsu]

Have we ever had an objectively good expansion for PvP? Like, I've always enjoyed PvP but I can't ever think of a time where you couldn't make the complaints your making here in some form.