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    Veilstrider - Weak Reward?

    In case you didn't know, the title "Veilstrider" is basically the ultimate non-Raid/M+ reward in Shadowlands. It requires you to get most of the meta achievements in the expansion and do all the covenants.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=723/veilstrider

    Anyone else feel that this title is a bit weak considering the effort? I would've suggested "Maw Walker" at the very least (the name you are referred to all expansion), but it turns out that that was also added as a title from a much simpler achievement.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=722/maw-walker

    So, what would you have done for the big meta achievement? I think a different name and a unique mount would've cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    In case you didn't know, the title "Veilstrider" is basically the ultimate non-Raid/M+ reward in Shadowlands. It requires you to get most of the meta achievements in the expansion and do all the covenants.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=723/veilstrider

    Anyone else feel that this title is a bit weak considering the effort? I would've suggested "Maw Walker" at the very least (the name you are referred to all expansion), but it turns out that that was also added as a title from a much simpler achievement.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=722/maw-walker

    So, what would you have done for the big meta achievement? I think a different name and a unique mount would've cut it.
    I kinda dig it, but honestly: These huge overcomplex meta achievements shouldn't reward anything. They're achievements, not quests, they should not be used for reward acquisitions save for exceptional cases and as administrative convenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think a different name and a unique mount would've cut it.
    if it give unique mount people would complain about being FORCED to do it...
    the reward is completely fine, considering half of the achi needed for it have rewards on their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    In case you didn't know, the title "Veilstrider" is basically the ultimate non-Raid/M+ reward in Shadowlands. It requires you to get most of the meta achievements in the expansion and do all the covenants.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=723/veilstrider

    Anyone else feel that this title is a bit weak considering the effort? I would've suggested "Maw Walker" at the very least (the name you are referred to all expansion), but it turns out that that was also added as a title from a much simpler achievement.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=722/maw-walker

    So, what would you have done for the big meta achievement? I think a different name and a unique mount would've cut it.
    The title is fine, maybe some cosmetic item like a backpack would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    if it give unique mount people would complain about being FORCED to do it...
    the reward is completely fine, considering half of the achi needed for it have rewards on their own
    Sadly the truth.. Everything must be available through raid AND world or else people riot.. I just wish the devs gave people the finger and set a set selection of rewards for World, PvE, and PvP to completely make different views instead of connections.
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    I think it could've been a different title, but I don't mind that it's just a title reward.

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    It's really lame that it requires doing all four covenants. I've got everything done except for the covenants because I've been Night Fae the entire expansion. I would have to greatly degrade my playing experience for months just for this stupid meta. It should only require completely finishing a covenant of your choosing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    It's really lame that it requires doing all four covenants. I've got everything done except for the covenants because I've been Night Fae the entire expansion. I would have to greatly degrade my playing experience for months just for this stupid meta. It should only require completely finishing a covenant of your choosing.
    You are aware that you can freely switch between covenants right now? The meta achievement is perfect and finally gives a (hopefully timelimited) reward for players who did everything during an expansion on a base level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    It's really lame that it requires doing all four covenants. I've got everything done except for the covenants because I've been Night Fae the entire expansion. I would have to greatly degrade my playing experience for months just for this stupid meta. It should only require completely finishing a covenant of your choosing.
    Yeah no kidding! The worst part is the required anima for the covenant feature upgrade. I thought I had tons of spare anima (150k+), but I'll barely have enough after I'm done. So much for getting all the transmog items from the other covenants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    You are aware that you can freely switch between covenants right now? The meta achievement is perfect and finally gives a (hopefully timelimited) reward for players who did everything during an expansion on a base level.
    Doesn't change the fact that I'd have to accept a far lesser playing experience for months just to grind out three more covenants that I'd otherwise have zero intention of playing just for a meta. Slogging through all the covenants isn't a base level at all. I made my choice and completed it in its entirety. That should be more than enough on the covenant side of things for the meta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cratez View Post
    Yeah no kidding! The worst part is the required anima for the covenant feature upgrade. I thought I had tons of spare anima (150k+), but I'll barely have enough after I'm done. So much for getting all the transmog items from the other covenants.
    Yeah that's another ridiculous part to the whole slog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    It's really lame that it requires doing all four covenants. I've got everything done except for the covenants because I've been Night Fae the entire expansion. I would have to greatly degrade my playing experience for months just for this stupid meta. It should only require completely finishing a covenant of your choosing.
    Why should the devs reward you with anything for making the conscious choice not to see all the quests they made?

    I can understand being annoyed at the covenant activity achievement: not being annoyed that you only played 1/4 of launch content and aren't getting a reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Why should the devs reward you with anything for making the conscious choice not to see all the quests they made?

    I can understand being annoyed at the covenant activity achievement: not being annoyed that you only played 1/4 of launch.
    Covenants were supposed to be a consequential choice. It was for the majority of the expansion. Having to do the most tedious and cumbersome aspect of all four covenants is a bit much compared to the rest of the meta requirements imo.

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    The achievement is actually quite easy. The only part you'll need to actively farm if you played the expansion is Zereth Mortis and even that one isn't bad at all.
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    I, for one, would have loved it if they attached a PvE-only version of the Soul Eater mount to this achievement in addition to the title. It's a damn shame that such a unique and honestly defining Shadowlands model is only available through PvP. I can't recall a previous expansion where this was the case. I think there's always been an alternative option to getting at least a reskinned model of the gladiator mounts hrm...

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    Idk sounds ok to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    The title is fine, maybe some cosmetic item like a backpack would be great.

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    Sadly the truth.. Everything must be available through raid AND world or else people riot.. I just wish the devs gave people the finger and set a set selection of rewards for World, PvE, and PvP to completely make different views instead of connections.
    I think it's more the fact that these sort of FoS achievements tend to be unavailable after their relevant expansion. Think the Champion of Azeroth title for acquiring every 8.2 essence at rank 4 or the FoS for running 5 mask horrific visions solo.

    People rarely care about a limited availability title, but mounts are something else entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unlimited Power View Post
    I think it's more the fact that these sort of FoS achievements tend to be unavailable after their relevant expansion. Think the Champion of Azeroth title for acquiring every 8.2 essence at rank 4 or the FoS for running 5 mask horrific visions solo.

    People rarely care about a limited availability title, but mounts are something else entirely.
    Well, the title is a rather small reward for it, hence I commented with the need for something cosmetic as well.

    Most the big achievements can be earned outside the expansion's timeframe, so, I don't mind mounts and titles, toys, mogs, whatever. If you feel like it is a chore to get it, then don't strive for that as you don't wish to work for it. My comment leads more that I would like to see a vast difference in rewards divided into the various segments of content (World, Raiding, PvP, Rated PvP, Mythic+, Pet Battles) give them all something special that you cannot get from the others, and so on. And if people complain about feeling forced over optional rewards (basically cosmetics (titles, mounts, transmogs, pets, toys, and enchant effects), just ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    In case you didn't know, the title "Veilstrider" is basically the ultimate non-Raid/M+ reward in Shadowlands. It requires you to get most of the meta achievements in the expansion and do all the covenants.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=723/veilstrider

    Anyone else feel that this title is a bit weak considering the effort? I would've suggested "Maw Walker" at the very least (the name you are referred to all expansion), but it turns out that that was also added as a title from a much simpler achievement.

    https://www.wowhead.com/title=722/maw-walker

    So, what would you have done for the big meta achievement? I think a different name and a unique mount would've cut it.
    .. Theres another "meta" achievement that gets you Maw walker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Well, the title is a rather small reward for it, hence I commented with the need for something cosmetic as well.

    Most the big achievements can be earned outside the expansion's timeframe, so, I don't mind mounts and titles, toys, mogs, whatever. If you feel like it is a chore to get it, then don't strive for that as you don't wish to work for it. My comment leads more that I would like to see a vast difference in rewards divided into the various segments of content (World, Raiding, PvP, Rated PvP, Mythic+, Pet Battles) give them all something special that you cannot get from the others, and so on. And if people complain about feeling forced over optional rewards (basically cosmetics (titles, mounts, transmogs, pets, toys, and enchant effects), just ignore them.
    I'm not arguing with the sentiment. I'd personally be fine with adding additional rewards to these types of expansion meta achievements if they're something Blizzard is planning on carrying forward.

    Hell, the only thing I'm missing is the Tazavesh hardmode achievement, and that's easily completed at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corydon View Post
    Reward is fine as is. It's another useless title in a long list that will be out of fashion already after a couple days. Anything more "valuable" would make people complain to be forced to do all the meta achievements. Yes, people are silly.
    I will have it's value if they remove it with the pre-patch though.

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    since it'll likely become FoS when prepatch hits, title is fine. Though I might have picked something different. Veilstrider sounds odd to my ears. to each their own though.
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