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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    How? If the key I have is not for the dungeon I want to run it's literally impossible, I have to join someone elses group.
    That's an issue of won't, not can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacu View Post
    The term casual is getting all muddled up with people who just don't want to play MMO aspects of the game. Dungeons are casual, mythic+ is casual, normal raids are pretty casual, LFR still exists, what about pet battles?! casual dream. Please no more phone games in WoW, they'll be coming soon enough.
    You forgot heroic raids in your list of things that are casual. Hell, by the end of most tiers, even mythic raid is at least semi-casual.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonflight10 View Post
    This comment is GOLD, those lazy and anti-social people who keep suggesting that the game should cater to them are so annoying and delusional.
    Yeah right, that's why your banned bro, comments like that!

    Seriously. I have been playing MMORPG's since 1999 when EverQuest was a thing. I was playing in groups and raiding and logging in 15 hours a day at one point. I even used to do 24 hour and 36 hour long binges! i don't even know how I did that back then. The game was so fun and so adrenaline fueled that it just wasn't even a chore. But then I grew older. I had a family and though I still enjoy and love fantasy games and MMORPG's, I don't have that kind of time to devote to creating and maintaining lasting friendships and such online, just to run top tier content like Mythic dungeons and high level M+ content.

    The person in the original comment is not looking at things from a working / functional, adult perspective. Myself and others like me have the knowledge and skill to play at the highest levels, but don't have the time and desire to do so. That doesn't mean we don't enjoy the game and don't want some challenging content. When I say myself that I want more casual friendly content, what i am referring to is more challenging open world content that can be joined in by anyone where players have to work together and can't go in with a premade, but have to know their class.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Mardux View Post
    That's an issue of won't, not can't.

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    You forgot heroic raids in your list of things that are casual. Hell, by the end of most tiers, even mythic raid is at least semi-casual.
    How the hell do you call heroic raiding casual? You literally have to set aside a huge chunk of time for it, often on a schedule. Heck m+ is even more playable casually if you ignore the fact that you can't get into groups because of raider.io.

  4. #304
    Everything except mythic raiding is for casuals in this game. Every other content is literally so easy, that you can do them with very little time investment and skill. You can also raid mythic with very little time invested, if you have the skill to compensate.

    People mix for example raiding as something that is "not casual" because it requires you to be online at certain times. But that is what every group activity in the world requires, casual doesn't mean playing group content when it best fits you. It's not a single player game.
    Last edited by facefist; 2022-07-23 at 11:34 AM.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    How the hell do you call heroic raiding casual? You literally have to set aside a huge chunk of time for it, often on a schedule. Heck m+ is even more playable casually if you ignore the fact that you can't get into groups because of raider.io.
    Raid heroic a few hours a week
    It's not a huge chunk of time and there are people who do it without a schedule

    Time management is a useful skill especially with hobbies. Most people who claim not to have time likely spend hours binging Netflix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Raid heroic a few hours a week
    It's not a huge chunk of time and there are people who do it without a schedule

    Time management is a useful skill especially with hobbies. Most people who claim not to have time likely spend hours binging Netflix.
    Or really long commutes

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    How the hell do you call heroic raiding casual? You literally have to set aside a huge chunk of time for it, often on a schedule. Heck m+ is even more playable casually if you ignore the fact that you can't get into groups because of raider.io.
    I'm pretty sure i can clear heroic faster on a monday afternoon with a full PuG group than i can clear LFR (queue time included) on Primetime on tuesday/wednesday (depending on region). No schedule required. Just dedication. But i guess that's something most "casuals" (by the terms of this forum) don't have.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    How the hell do you call heroic raiding casual? You literally have to set aside a huge chunk of time for it, often on a schedule. Heck m+ is even more playable casually if you ignore the fact that you can't get into groups because of raider.io.
    Huge chunk of time? You can literally do HC with one 3hour raid/week, and clear it before next tier hits. And that is with a bad group. With skilled group you will do it in 1-4 weeks, depending on tuning.

    Also why do people think that having a schedule means something is not casual? With that logic any group hobby is not casual. I mean I play football in a very casual manner but a schedule is a must so we get the people together..

    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    Its this new-age excuse, the casual term always moves around fitting the discussion, it doesnt matter what you actually do, people like him will always complain and move the "casual".

    He literally tried to pull the "BUT YOU PLAY EVERY WEEK" argument now.

    Apparently if you play 10 hours on the 3rd Saturday, you are a casual, but if you play 2 hours every Saturday for 4 Saturdays you arent a casual.

    Its just lack of acceptance that some things arent how they think they are, but byproducts of their choices.
    In reality those "casual" players probably spend more time playing than others who do harder content, because they need to compensate skill with time. For example HC guilds do only up to HC because they don't have enough skill for mythic, but they use time as an excuse why they don't do mythic. Same applies for normal guilds and so on.

    So to all non-mythic raiders out there: it's not time, it's just that you are not skilled enough.
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  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    In reality those "casual" players probably spend more time playing than others who do harder content, because they need to compensate skill with time. For example HC guilds do only up to HC because they don't have enough skill for mythic, but they use time as an excuse why they don't do mythic. Same applies for normal guilds and so on.

    So to all non-mythic raiders out there: it's not time, it's just that you are not skilled enough.
    Things arent so black and white about everything, as i said, everything is a byproduct of choices, those people are still part of the 1%, and miles better than the rest.

    I wont go into semantics, everyone is entitled to their opinion about others, as long as they remain realistic.

    The same way all the self-proclaimed casuals on here, that arent casual, but bad at the game, the wannabe "Mythic Raidurs", that get CE after 3 wave nerfs or the 3/10 Mythic 9/10 HC for the first 3-4 months "Mythic Raidurs" with 9-12h/week raiding thinking they are hot shit arent much different.

    Both are equally annoying in the end, mostly because the latter is risky as fuck, at least i know the bad are gonna be bad, why are this 8/10 Mythic/3k R.IO guys i just invited so terrible at the game in my weekly M+?
    Last edited by potis; 2022-07-23 at 01:10 PM.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    You think you speak for the 99%, you dont, you speak for a tiny % of an even smaller %, of an even smaller %, segregation of players is massive, there arent 2 categories, there are 2000 categories of players.
    I think he just speak for himself, like every single poster.

    I don't envy people on Blizzard that search through feedback. Most discussions are completely chaotic, you can see random complains from people who didn't play since X years and often talk about issues that were resolved years ago (or were resolved, people hated it even more and reverted them back - for example PVP scalling) or just spew hateful comments that they don't want to play game made by rapists. Similar story when you look at content creators - either blind hype before expac or doomsaying/presenting current issues as make or break for game - whatever gives most clicks at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    It's not a huge chunk of time and there are people who do it without a schedule
    That's kinda key difference between casual and invested (because hardcore is wrong word here) people. No matter if it's mythic+, heroic raiding or farming rare for mount/transmog - if you do it on schedule, you're simply not casual.

    So yeah, almost all content could be done by casuals, including M+20, heroic raiding and rated PVP below some insane levels. Anything that skilled player can hop in any time.

    What people seems to confuse in this thread is difference between CASUAL player and SOLO player.
    Last edited by Dracullus; 2022-07-23 at 01:24 PM.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Or really long commutes
    45 miles one way 5 days a week
    Leave a couple hours early in the morning to make sure I'm not late

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Similar story when you look at content creators - either blind hype before expac or doomsaying/presenting current issues as make or break for game - whatever gives most clicks at the moment.

    What people seems to confuse in this thread is difference between CASUAL player and SOLO player.
    Thats just the internet.

    And no one is confusing anything, mmo-champion cant have any threads anymore cause its the same weirdo posters that come and infect it with their narrative, and every day its a different explanation of what is a casual, that fits the narrative of the certain discussion.

    First it was everyone that plays at least once a week, 10 pages down its anyone that schedules anything, its laughable by now.

    People just need to accept that the game plays a certain way and unluckily for them, its group content, it wont be converted to what they want and they should consume the content they want and unsub, without crying about it, the way any sensible human being would do and does.

    But for me the funniest part is, how they claim "XX GAME DOES IT BETTER", but they are on the WoW fan forum, begging for their echo chamber to agree, cause they know that XX game is a pile of shit, whether its because of graphics or gameplay or something else, so they want the stability/smoothness and size of WoW to create the content they want out of thin air and discard 20 years of game genre being a "Gear chaser".
    Last edited by potis; 2022-07-23 at 01:42 PM.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    Things arent so black and white about everything, as i said, everything is a byproduct of choices, those people are still part of the 1%, and miles better than the rest.

    I wont go into semantics, everyone is entitled to their opinion about others, as long as they remain realistic.

    The same way all the self-proclaimed casuals on here, that arent casual, but bad at the game, the wannabe "Mythic Raidurs", that get CE after 3 wave nerfs or the 3/10 Mythic 9/10 HC for the first 3-4 months "Mythic Raidurs" with 9-12h/week raiding thinking they are hot shit arent much different.

    Both are equally annoying in the end, mostly because the latter is risky as fuck, at least i know the bad are gonna be bad, why are this 8/10 Mythic/3k R.IO guys i just invited so terrible at the game in my weekly M+?
    Yeah obviously by mythic raiders I mean the ones who clear the whole raid in M. Even after nerfs they are miles ahead any HC raider, because HC is simply easy and proper mythic guilds clear HC during first reset, whereas it takes months for HC guilds.

    If you see someone raiding with active schedule and only kill HC bosses, you can be 99% sure that the person is not good at raiding.

  14. #314
    Is this a thread where casual means" plays for a few hours a week" or is it " so utterly dumb the mere concept of cast 2 abilities overloads it mind".

    I've seen casual be used for both.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Hauzhi View Post
    There are far superior games for the casual tribe.

    ESO comes to my mind as the perfect game for casuals and hardcore crowd.

    Its a superior game in every way.
    Is there a PvE gear path that revolves around running dungeons to get the best gear?

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubim View Post
    Is there a PvE gear path that revolves around running dungeons to get the best gear?
    Its a scammy fake casual system game, but if it works for you, you might like it.

    ESO its literally Skyrim online gameplay wise, you can sub and play the DLCs etc if you arent sure what you want to buy, for me that i played for a month, some parts didnt interest me, some others did so i played those while leveling and skipped others.

    Until max level and decide to gear up and thats when the game is kinda eh, basically the best gear usually comes from the latest DLC dungeon(raid?), not because of the gear itself, but the set bonus apparently (Not sure this is 100% accurate, but basically following the written guides you tend to see it), usually there might be a mix of set bonuses, like 5 set item+ 2 set item, which you get the 2 set item from Daily Dungeon Quest, RNG god vendor, doing HC daily (You wont do it as i explain below) or spam Normal Daily Cleave down and roll every couple of days.

    Problem is, the dungeons of the original game/first DLCs/leveling and their scaling is joke levels easy, i mean after we realized from the first dungeon we did while leveling, we literally rushed from entrance to <whatever boss locks the door> and cleaved down everything all together, its THAT pathetically easy at some dungeons, this while being level 20, in a level 20 dungeon.

    This keeps happening even at the max level, the normal dungeons are literally braindead waste of time where you can get your non-heroic-non max ilvl gear even at the active/new DLC, unless there is an actual mechanic to do, then you are fucked.

    Now why is this bad, cause the game has an upgrade system from professions, which you get 1 upgrade thingie every 2-3 days (daily profession quest) and you need like 10-12 for each item , therefor averagely 2 months for 3 items of doing dailies, i do think you can buy them from the auction house.

    Or you could go and clear the HC version of the dungeon a few times, get lucky and get your ready dropped HC gear and be done with the game.

    So basically the game is either, 1 week gameplay if you have friends or a group willing to learn to rush the dungeon down 10 times and be done with it, or collect upgrade crafting tokens for half a year.

    Because of the above, the community is so insanely low skilled that any sort of actual mechanic is almost impossible even on the normal dungeons eventually, and forget about HC dungeons of the latest DLCs with a pug, A BOSS THAT HAS 3 MECHANICS? WHAT IS THIS, World of Warcraft? Of course we wipe !

    Rest of that, is Quests, upon Quests, upon Quests, upon Housing, upon Housing, upon even more Housing.

    It is not a very exciting endgame game if you understand what is going on, but its a very interesting Single Player experience + TBC mechanics.
    Last edited by potis; 2022-07-24 at 11:51 AM.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    Its a scammy fake casual system game, but if it works for you, you might like it.

    ESO its literally Skyrim online gameplay wise, you can sub and play the DLCs etc if you arent sure what you want to buy, for me that i played for a month, some parts didnt interest me, some others did so i played those while leveling and skipped others.

    Until max level and decide to gear up and thats when the game is kinda eh, basically the best gear usually comes from the latest DLC dungeon(raid?), not because of the gear itself, but the set bonus apparently (Not sure this is 100% accurate, but basically following the written guides you tend to see it), usually there might be a mix of set bonuses, like 5 set item+ 2 set item, which you get the 2 set item from Daily Dungeon Quest, RNG god vendor, doing HC daily (You wont do it as i explain below) or spam Normal Daily Cleave down and roll every couple of days.

    Problem is, the dungeons of the original game/first DLCs/leveling and their scaling is joke levels easy, i mean after we realized from the first dungeon we did while leveling, we literally rushed from entrance to <whatever boss locks the door> and cleaved down everything all together, its THAT pathetically easy at some dungeons, this while being level 20, in a level 20 dungeon.

    This keeps happening even at the max level, the normal dungeons are literally braindead waste of time where you can get your non-heroic-non max ilvl gear even at the active/new DLC, unless there is an actual mechanic to do, then you are fucked.

    Now why is this bad, cause the game has an upgrade system from professions, which you get 1 upgrade thingie every 2-3 days (daily profession quest) and you need like 10-12 for each item , therefor averagely 2 months for 3 items of doing dailies, i do think you can buy them from the auction house.

    Or you could go and clear the HC version of the dungeon a few times, get lucky and get your ready dropped HC gear and be done with the game.

    So basically the game is either, 1 week gameplay if you have friends or a group willing to learn to rush the dungeon down 10 times and be done with it, or collect upgrade crafting tokens for half a year.

    Because of the above, the community is so insanely low skilled that any sort of actual mechanic is almost impossible even on the normal dungeons eventually, and forget about HC dungeons of the latest DLCs with a pug, A BOSS THAT HAS 3 MECHANICS? WHAT IS THIS, World of Warcraft? Of course we wipe !

    Rest of that, is Quests, upon Quests, upon Quests, upon Housing, upon Housing, upon even more Housing.

    It is not a very exciting endgame game if you understand what is going on, but its a very interesting Single Player experience + TBC mechanics.
    WoW! Thank you for the answer.

    It is one of the reasons i like WoW so much is the current MYTHC+ for getting gear as high as Mythic Raiding and PvP Glad.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubim View Post
    WoW! Thank you for the answer.

    It is one of the reasons i like WoW so much is the current MYTHC+ for getting gear as high as Mythic Raiding and PvP Glad.
    Yeah, there everyone gets the same gear, if you are decent you can get it in a few days, if you arent, farm it over half a year by doing daily professions after getting it from Normal, it just might be best gear for Class 5, is from DLC 6, Class 6 best gear is from DLC 4, etc.

    As i said, its a very oriented Single Player experience basically its like GW2, a great secondary MMO for when you want to play something different and semi-interesting Story Wise (depending what stories you like, i got "Ehh" from the vampire storylines, but i liked the dragon storylines as example) that is in the same genre as WoW during its droughts.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by Tentim View Post
    Is this a thread where casual means" plays for a few hours a week" or is it " so utterly dumb the mere concept of cast 2 abilities overloads it mind".

    I've seen casual be used for both.
    Honestly it depends on the poster
    The definition of hard core is just as well defined
    I guess putting aside a few hours on the weekend is equivalent to method now

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    Honestly it depends on the poster
    The definition of hard core is just as well defined
    I guess putting aside a few hours on the weekend is equivalent to method now
    Doing something casually is very well defined. Imagine you're dating a girl casually, does that mean that you're not invested or does it mean that you don't know where to stick it?

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