Naxx:
1. Kel Thuzad
2. Sapphiron
3. Thaddius
4. Heigan
5. Patchwerk
Ulduar:
1. Mimiron
2. Yogg
3. Algalon
4. Flame Leviathan
5. General
ICC:
1. Professor
2. Sindragosa
3. Lich King
4. Blood Queen
5. Rotface
Naxx:
1. Kel Thuzad
2. Sapphiron
3. Thaddius
4. Heigan
5. Patchwerk
Ulduar:
1. Mimiron
2. Yogg
3. Algalon
4. Flame Leviathan
5. General
ICC:
1. Professor
2. Sindragosa
3. Lich King
4. Blood Queen
5. Rotface
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I’m not being obtuse even a little bit, to anyone that has played wotlk they will tell you all of togc is a joke and that saying it can be harder than firefighter is an absolute joke, I shouldn’t even have responded to such a dumb statement. And don’t even try to say I’m the one being argumentative when I’m literally just stating what everyone accepts as a joke of a raid when this guy is coming up with the most outlandish excuses to make it seem like it could be even remotely as hard as firefighter.
This is on par with suggesting patchwork could be considered the hardest boss in the expac on the condition that you have a level 60 tank. His reasoning for it possibly being harder considering your healers are bad is dumb, there’s nothing more to it. I shouldn’t even have humored such a response.
Buffed PW is going to be the hardest fight in Naxxramas bar none, he's gonna dumpster any casual tank who hasn't farmed any gear prior to entering 25man and even then you have to be pretty attentive.
Only other way around it is to strictly cycle defensives for the hateful tank and even then, that's dubious. Bad guilds aren't gonna have the comp or management to do this.
Last edited by WaltherLeopold; 2022-07-24 at 11:44 AM.
I’m not even humoring your ridiculous takes anymore bud. It’s a joke of an encounter with or without bad healers compared to firefighter. If you had bad healers on firefighter as well it is still going to be harder than anub. Full stop. End of discussion. I’m not even going to play along with you anymore.
Last edited by Somic; 2022-07-24 at 12:35 PM.
I'm sure you believe you're not being ridiculous with every ridiculous comparison you make, you're a nutcase. Guy above used an example of Muru to show that boss difficulty doesn't always correlate with time to kill and you lost your shit, meanwhile you over here making these charmers about Dreamwalker and Patchwerk.
Top tier meme content from your posts Mr Somic.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
Yes because the comparison of muru was absolutely 100% completely ridiculous as the reasons I stated above. Tbc boss “survival” times were skewed super hard because of many many reasons. When it comes to wotlk those reasons are no longer an issue.
I shouldn’t even have to mention boss “kill times” because the statement itself is so absolutely ridiculous it shouldn’t even need it. I just mentioned it because I was humoring the thought of it being more difficult when in reality I shouldn’t even have bothered talking with someone so uninformed.
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It’s just a phrase my dude don’t look too deep into it. Much like I guess I shouldn’t have been looking too deep into something so obviously wrong as the statement you’re trying to push.
The funny thing is, i've never said that Anub'arak is harder than Firefighter, i'm saying however that the metric you've used to highlight this is false.
You presented Anub'arak HC as some total pushover encounter, which i disagree with because pretty all of your healers need to be on top of their game - which they usually are in the guilds that are doing the first kills (that however does not conversely mean that Firefighter is easier than Anub 25man, just that the encounter isn't as easy as you make it out to be).
But you got so completely stuck in this conversation, made absolutely terrible comparisons such as "It's like doing Patchwerk with a level 60" and wonderful advices like "If you wipe, just get better players!" that all you're displaying at this point is just your utter absence of the ability to self reflect.
Yes the comparisons I made are ridiculous. That’s the point of them. Because they use the same logic as yours. Which is ridiculous. That’s the entire point. And I said multiple times now it’s a push over WHEN IN COMPARISON to firefighter, if I somehow forgot to say this after repeating it 10 times in a row then that’s on you for a comprehension problem.
Also I love how you’re backtracking on the fact that you “never said it was harder” when that’s literally what you have been defending this entire time. Bringing up arguments on how it “could” be considered harder which were seriously dumb arguments. Which is what I tried to show you by giving you equally dumb arguments under the same logic as yours.
Nice backtrack btw without admitting you were wrong. Really shows your honesty
As someone who got realm first on all fights when they were current in WotLK:
Yogg 0 Lights
Yogg 1 Light
Lich King
Mimiron Firefighter
Yogg 2 Lights
Anub'Arak
From there it's a bit harder to recall. Sindragosa and Professor Putridice weren't trivial. Nor was Saurfang. Other Hardmode Keepers were challenging too. Obsidian Sanctum 3D was fairly difficult for the time.
Faction champions could sometimes be tricky as well. Twins took a bit.
Naxx was entirely a joke, we downed it week 1 with mainly fresh 80s with a few heroics done each.
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I really feel like this just a another way of saying "i was merely pretending to be stupid".
Because it's the truth, i never denied at one point that Firefighter is a difficult fight.
I said "this is the hard part about Anub'arak, that's why the boss isn't super easy" and that really seems to have been a trigger for you.
Completely disregarding the obvious backtracking on your part that you're now pulling "I only made these stupid arguments to show how stupid yours is".
Last edited by Kralljin; 2022-07-24 at 06:02 PM.
I didn’t back track at all. Did you miss the part where you said my argument was ridiculous and I said “I agree”. That’s the point of it being ridiculous. It uses the same logic as yours. To show you how dumb it is.
And are you sure you want to say you didn’t say it could be harder? You sure about that?
...Saying this multiple posts after the fact is backtracking.
I would say that a level 60 Tank on Wrath Patchwerk is not in the least compareable with saying "real time boss kills are a bad metric for difficulty", you're free to disgree with M'uru as an example, but that doesn't change the fact that it remains a poor metric.
And if you still seriously believe that this how you would judge difficulty, then i'm frankly no longer going to argue with you because you don't know jack about how to assess difficulty in WoW.