Question about DKs

[Aucald]

Why not? They were Undead minions of the Lich King.

Perhaps because the eye glow has no uniform source and isn't a product of either Domination by the Jailer or the Lich King. Generally speaking, eye glows in the Warcraft universe are a product of being in either an unnatural state or the product of channeling a particular form of power (actively or passively). Undeath itself, stripped of Domination, causes many eye-glow type effects: crimson, amber, blue, and even white. There's no real rhyme or reason to it, as it's either purely contextual or a product of multiple influences acting in tandem.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Why not? They were Undead minions of the Lich King.

Because, like you literally just said, they lost their eye glow.

If DK’s retain their eye glow… what does that tell you?

[username993720]

Perhaps because the eye glow has no uniform source and isn't a product of either Domination by the Jailer or the Lich King. Generally speaking, eye glows in the Warcraft universe are a product of being in either an unnatural state or the product of channeling a particular form of power (actively or passively). Undeath itself, stripped of Domination, causes many eye-glow type effects: crimson, amber, blue, and even white. There's no real rhyme or reason to it, as it's either purely contextual or a product of multiple influences acting in tandem.

It's not just the eyes. It's the entire body.
Look at Sindragosa. Once she was raised, her body started to present this blue domination magic that bound her to Arthas.

Because, like you literally just said, they lost their eye glow.

If DK’s retain their eye glow… what does that tell you?

Gameplay reasons?
We don't know if they had one, since we've never seen the Forsaken when they were under the Lich King's control.

[StationaryHawk]

It's not just the eyes. It's the entire body.
Look at Sindragosa. Once she was raised, her body started to present this blue domination magic that bound her to Arthas.

The cinematic was released a decade before domination magic was written into the story.

Gameplay reasons?
We don't know if they had one, since we've never seen the Forsaken when they were under the Lich King's control.

We see them in Warcraft 3...

[Aucald]

It's not just the eyes. It's the entire body.
Look at Sindragosa. Once she was raised, her body started to present this blue domination magic that bound her to Arthas.

I don't think that was intended to represent Domination magic inasmuch as it was Frost magic, representing her marquee abilities such as her Frost Aura, Frost Breath, Icy Grip, Permeating Chill, etc. DK's even have a Frost-based ability in the form of Breath of Sindragosa using her namesake.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Gameplay reasons?
We don't know if they had one, since we've never seen the Forsaken when they were under the Lich King's control.

Yes... we don't know. That's the answer: we don't know. Not enough information is provided to us to come up with an actual answer.


You don't think it's possible that the eye glow between Forsaken and Death Knight's is not connected, yet all we can go on is what we see currently in game, and that shows otherwise.

[username993720]

The cinematic was released a decade before domination magic was written into the story.

It was always there in some sort of manner. It just wasn't called domination.

We see them in Warcraft 3...

Not really. We see all manner of Undead, but not Undead humans.

I don't think that was intended to represent Domination magic inasmuch as it was Frost magic, representing her marquee abilities such as her Frost Aura, Frost Breath, Icy Grip, Permeating Chill, etc. DK's even have a Frost-based ability in the form of Breath of Sindragosa using her namesake.

It isn't Frost.
His Undead army has it as well.

Yes... we don't know. That's the answer: we don't know. Not enough information is provided to us to come up with an actual answer.


You don't think it's possible that the eye glow between Forsaken and Death Knight's is not connected, yet all we can go on is what we see currently in game, and that shows otherwise.

Blizzard is slow to act on lore. Especially if it would intefere with aesthetics.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Blizzard is slow to act on lore. Especially if it would intefere with aesthetics.

Be that as it may, that doesn't change anything.

[StationaryHawk]

It was always there in some sort of manner. It just wasn't called domination.

At best, it was death magic. Necromancers existed on Azeroth before the Lich King, and could raise and control undead without domination magic. There's no reason to believe the artists working on the cinematic were deliberately implying anything more specific was going on with Sindragosa, especially given that it did not exist at the time.

There are plenty of undead in Icecrown that do not have blue eyes. Even death knights have exceptions.

Not really. We see all manner of Undead, but not Undead humans.

Huh?

[Ealyssa]

It signifies domination.

No it doesn't. That's head canon. Nobody really knows why the DK eyes are glowing. It could also just be "lol magic".

[Aucald]

It isn't Frost.
His Undead army has it as well.

Some of them do, but most of them don't. There are plenty of undead touched by the power of frost to be found in Icecrown: Icefallen, Iceborn, Frostwardens, Frostblight, and so on. Those probably represent the mobs touched by Sindragosa's power in the cinematic, the footsoldiers who dwell at the foot of the Lich King's citadel.

[username993720]

At best, it was death magic. Necromancers existed on Azeroth before the Lich King, and could raise and control undead without domination magic. There's no reason to believe the artists working on the cinematic were deliberately implying anything more specific was going on with Sindragosa, especially given that it did not exist at the time.

Well yeah, Necromancers don't have that mental connection to the Lich King as far as i know.

So, you think it is there for Sindragosa and the Undead army just for the lolz?

There are plenty of undead in Icecrown that do not have blue eyes. Even death knights have exceptions.

Yeah, in-game models don't represent that aspect as well as cinematics.

Huh?

The Forsaken we play do not feature in WC3.

No it doesn't. That's head canon. Nobody really knows why the DK eyes are glowing. It could also just be "lol magic".

Once Arthas donned the Helm of Domination, he was granted this blue glow. We know it is a vessel of Domination.

Some of them do, but most of them don't. There are plenty of undead touched by the power of frost to be found in Icecrown: Icefallen, Iceborn, Frostwardens, Frostblight, and so on. Those probably represent the mobs touched by Sindragosa's power in the cinematic, the footsoldiers who dwell at the foot of the Lich King's citadel.

We know it is not Frost since it exists in the Shadowlands as well, which doesn't have a zone that represents the Frost aspect of Death Knights.

"Domination is a brand of powerful runic Death magic whose sole purpose is the utter suppression of another being."

[Aucald]

We know it is not Frost since it exists in the Shadowlands as well, which doesn't have a zone that represents the Frost aspect of Death Knights.

"Domination is a brand of powerful runic Death magic whose sole purpose is the utter suppression of another being."

Why exactly would a Shadowlands zone that "represents the Frost Aspect of Death Knights" be necessary? There's not a zone that represents Blood or Unholy, either. Simply put, the eye glow of Death Knights need not be representative of Domination. In the Watsonian sense, it's unlikely because the glow persists long after any Domination they may have been subject to was gone, and in the Doylist sense, Domination didn't exist as a concept when Death Knights were envisioned. It's just an indicator of unnatural power.

[Ielenia]

Once Arthas donned the Helm of Domination, he was granted this blue glow. We know it is a vessel of Domination.

But the playable death knight is not Arthas. They came into being through different means than Arthas. The playable DK wasn't a living warrior that donned a domination helm. They are dead warriors resurrected through necromancy. Just because Arthas' eyes glowed because of the helm doesn't mean the average death knight's eyes glow because of a helm they never donned and never will.

[username993720]

Why exactly would a Shadowlands zone that "represents the Frost Aspect of Death Knights" be necessary? There's not a zone that represents Blood or Unholy, either.

Revendreth and Maldraxxus.

Simply put, the eye glow of Death Knights need not be representative of Domination. In the Watsonian sense, it's unlikely because the glow persists long after any Domination they may have been subject to was gone, and in the Doylist sense, Domination didn't exist as a concept when Death Knights were envisioned. It's just an indicator of unnatural power.

Control Undead
Level 69 death knight ability
30 yd range
1 Rune
1.5 sec cast
Dominates the target undead creature up to level (player level + 1), forcing it to do your bidding for 5 min.

Unnatural power is not an uncommon thing in WoW.
It isn't some magic source that the Death Knight absorbs.
It is related to Runic Power, as demonstrated by the lore.
Since its coloration is blue, and the fact that is it part of the Frost spec, it is sometimes mistaken with Frost magic.

But the playable death knight is not Arthas. They came into being through different means than Arthas. The playable DK wasn't a living warrior that donned a domination helm. They are dead warriors resurrected through necromancy. Just because Arthas' eyes glowed because of the helm doesn't mean the average death knight's eyes glow because of a helm they never donned and never will.

Domination.
The Lich King was mentally connected to Jailer, while we, the Death Knights, were mentally connected to the Lich King.

[Aydinx2]

Yeah, he was thrown under the bus to make Sylvanas look stronger. What a waste

Sylvanas was stronger. They both used Death, but Sylvanas was actively getting a power boost from the Jailer. Bolvar was being held back by the Jailer.
The idea that Bolvar must be stronger somehow is laughable too. He isn't wielding Frostmourne and doesn't get a power boost from his boss. He is literally just the strongest Death Knight, barely a Lich King.

People getting upset over Sylvanas beating Bolvar aren't really upset that it didn't make sense, because it does. They are upset that the Lich King lost, whoever holds that title, because they are LK fanboys.

I do agree he was wasted, but I don't really see what they could do with him besides make him an enemy. He should already be at war with the Alliance/Horde for what he did to the red dragonflight and continues to do to life in general. Maybe they can find a more peaceful way of existing now that they've learned more about the nature of Death from the Shadowlands.

[Ealyssa]

Once Arthas donned the Helm of Domination, he was granted this blue glow. We know it is a vessel of Domination.

Causation/correlation and all that jazz...

[Aucald]

Revendreth and Maldraxxus.

What about Revendreth would represent Blood or Unholy? The only thing I think of would be the red/crimson motifs of Revendreth, and that's a pretty large reach given that the anima of Revendreth and the Blood-based abilities of the DK have nothing in common. Similar to Maldraxxus, which shares Unholy's color schemes of black and green, but Maldraxxus is more about undeath as a whole, underpinning all of the DK's abilities given how it also underscores the Scourge as a whole.

[Cheezits]

What about Revendreth would represent Blood or Unholy? The only thing I think of would be the red/crimson motifs of Revendreth, and that's a pretty large reach given that the anima of Revendreth and the Blood-based abilities of the DK have nothing in common. Similar to Maldraxxus, which shares Unholy's color schemes of black and green, but Maldraxxus is more about undeath as a whole, underpinning all of the DK's abilities given how it also underscores the Scourge as a whole.

I think that the colors of red, green and blue may have helped guide the aesthetics of the Shadowlands based on the ICC wings, but there isn't an actual lore connection aside from KT using Makdraxxus as the blueprint for his Cult.

Ardenweald having a tentative connection to winter in theme is the only thing between Frost and the zone, but it seems a little suspicious.

[username993720]

What about Revendreth would represent Blood or Unholy? The only thing I think of would be the red/crimson motifs of Revendreth, and that's a pretty large reach given that the anima of Revendreth and the Blood-based abilities of the DK have nothing in common. Similar to Maldraxxus, which shares Unholy's color schemes of black and green, but Maldraxxus is more about undeath as a whole, underpinning all of the DK's abilities given how it also underscores the Scourge as a whole.

Vampiric and Necromantic.
For example, Remornia is a Dancing Rune Weapon.
"Maldraxxus is the birthplace of necromantic magic and home to the forces that were called upon by the Lich King and the Scourge on Azeroth."