GDKP exist because Raiding is bad game design

[cparle87]

And yet most people who play MMOs do not participate in any form of organized raiding.

The MMO audience is comprised of a dozen or more niche audiences who all compete for dev time.

[Kralljin]

I don't actually get why people are upset about GDKP, just don't join those raids?

On populated servers, GDKP's have effectively replaced regular pugs.

If you want to pug SWP on Gehennas (which is one the largest EU Servers), your options outside of GDKP's are extremely limited.
If you doubt that, join the Gehennas Discord and check the SWP channel, i'd say 2/3 advertisments (if not more) are in fact GDKP groups.

In other words, GDKP's aren't just a fringe phenomenon anymore, it is the de facto primary loot system for pugs on larger server, so "just don't join" becomes increasingly difficult as the amount of non GDKP keeps shrinking, especially in the TBC raiding enviroment where what class / spec you play can be absolutely a dealbreaker.

[voidillusion]

The MMO audience is comprised of a dozen or more niche audiences who all compete for dev time.

I dare to guess, from personal experience and no tangible proof what so ever so don't ask for it :P, that the current class crowd is less disperse that one thinks.

Ppl that play classic currently, play it to raid or pvp, or both. There's not much more drawing attention. Also the fact that the game is and was already developed itself is relevant.

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On populated servers, GDKP's have effectively replaced regular pugs.

If you want to pug SWP on Gehennas (which is one the largest EU Servers), your options outside of GDKP's are extremely limited.
If you doubt that, join the Gehennas Discord and check the SWP channel, i'd say 2/3 advertisments (if not more) are in fact GDKP groups.

In other words, GDKP's aren't just a fringe phenonom anymore, it is the de facto primary loot system for pugs on larger server, so "just don't join" becomes increasingly complex, especially in the TBC raiding enviroment where what class / spec you play can be absolutely a dealbreaker.

True, that's where i play, you either raid with your guild or you gdkp. Finding a SR run is a struggle, they do exist on fixed schedules if you know them, but as you might imagine there are more candidates than slots, and because they are on a fixed schedule they lack the flexibility of the "what the heck im not doing anything and will just join this TK GDKP at 2 am".

[Gaidax]

Troll aside baiting people into infractions, as others noted - if raiding is not your cup of tea, then don't do it. /shrug

[hulkgor]

LOL.

Thanks for the laugh man

[Aucald]

This thread didn't start out great and doesn't seem apt to go anywhere constructive. Closing this.