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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Pre-clearance is gone, as should have happened far earlier. There aren't a return of the poll taxes and grandfather rules of the past. I wish I had your ability to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions. I'd save myself a lot of time around these parts.
    You'd have to get rid of a lot of mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Contraception and gay marriage is the subject of current legislation. Once poison pill provisions are removed, they'll pass. Don't overlook passing legislation to address things.

    I don't see similar vulnerability to what you mention and Roe. As far as useful heuristics for politics, I won't oppose you for reserving some "never say never."

    Pre-clearance is gone, as should have happened far earlier. There aren't a return of the poll taxes and grandfather rules of the past. I wish I had your ability to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions. I'd save myself a lot of time around these parts.
    Except, we already know the Supreme Court can simply overrule them, so you Trumpsters can try and ban them in red states.

    This is the part you refuse to admit. The SCOTUS opened the door to bringing back all those things that already happen, that you swear could never happen.

    Sorry, we've learned that there is no bar low enough that the GOP cannot figure out how to limbo under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Pre-clearance is gone, as should have happened far earlier. There aren't a return of the poll taxes and grandfather rules of the past. I wish I had your ability to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions. I'd save myself a lot of time around these parts.
    It's actually really easy to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions when they won't shut the fuck up about their intent to rollback decades of civil rights progress. That's why people are, understandably, worried about things like Gay marriage and contraceptives: Because conservatives havn't shut the fuck up about how much they hate both of those things in the last month, and especially leading up to and following the Gay marriage and contraceptive bills that passed despite overwhelming republican disapproval.

    Like there's not understanding context clues and having trouble reading between the lines, and then there's willfully ignoring what people are shouting at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Pre-clearance is gone, as should have happened far earlier. There aren't a return of the poll taxes and grandfather rules of the past. I wish I had your ability to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions. I'd save myself a lot of time around these parts.
    As I said..."they aren't literally trying to bring back the exact same laws."

    As soon as pre-clearance was struck, they were bills all over the affected areas that made it harder to vote- and usually in ways that affected particular groups of people more (specifically, groups that don't trend Republican). There's data on this. This is just willful ignorance on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Contraception and gay marriage is the subject of current legislation. Once poison pill provisions are removed
    Which provisions are those, exactly?

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the “Respect for Marriage Act”.

    SEC. 2. REPEAL OF SECTION ADDED TO TITLE 28, UNITED STATES CODE, BY SECTION 2 OF THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT.

    Section 1738C of title 28, United States Code, is repealed.

    SEC. 3. FULL FAITH AND CREDIT GIVEN TO MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

    Chapter 115 of title 28, United States Code, as amended by this Act, is further amended by inserting after section 1738B the following:

    Ҥ 1738C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the effect thereof

    “(a) In General.—No person acting under color of State law may deny—

    “(1) full faith and credit to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State pertaining to a marriage between 2 individuals, on the basis of the sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin of those individuals; or

    “(2) a right or claim arising from such a marriage on the basis that such marriage would not be recognized under the law of that State on the basis of the sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin of those individuals.

    “(b) Enforcement By Attorney General.—The Attorney General may bring a civil action in the appropriate United States district court against any person who violates subsection (a) for declaratory and injunctive relief.

    “(c) Private Right Of Action.—Any person who is harmed by a violation of subsection (a) may bring a civil action in the appropriate United States district court against the person who violated such subsection for declaratory and injunctive relief.

    “(d) State Defined.—In this section, the term ‘State’ has the meaning given such term under section 7 of title 1.”.

    SEC. 4. MARRIAGE RECOGNITION.

    Section 7 of title 1, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

    Ҥ 7. Marriage

    “(a) For the purposes of any Federal law, rule, or regulation in which marital status is a factor, an individual shall be considered married if that individual’s marriage is valid in the State where the marriage was entered into or, in the case of a marriage entered into outside any State, if the marriage is valid in the place where entered into and the marriage could have been entered into in a State.

    “(b) In this section, the term ‘State’ means a State, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any other territory or possession of the United States.

    “(c) For purposes of subsection (a), in determining whether a marriage is valid in a State or the place where entered into, if outside of any State, only the law of the jurisdiction applicable at the time the marriage was entered into may be considered.”.

    SEC. 5. SEVERABILITY.

    If any provision of this Act, or any amendment made by this Act, or the application of such provision to any person, entity, government, or circumstance, is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, or any amendment made thereby, or the application of such provision to all other persons, entities, governments, or circumstances, shall not be affected thereby.

    Passed the House of Representatives July 19, 2022.
    Exactly what about this is so objectionable that it could be called a "poison pill"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    It's actually really easy to see into the hearts of men and judge their intentions when they won't shut the fuck up about their intent to rollback decades of civil rights progress. That's why people are, understandably, worried about things like Gay marriage and contraceptives: Because conservatives havn't shut the fuck up about how much they hate both of those things in the last month, and especially leading up to and following the Gay marriage and contraceptive bills that passed despite overwhelming republican disapproval.

    Like there's not understanding context clues and having trouble reading between the lines, and then there's willfully ignoring what people are shouting at you.
    To be fair, I'm certain that contraceptives will be just fine. Conservatives can TRY to go after contraceptives, but they'd find themselves up against the porn industry. The one industry that outspends all other industries. And the porn industry relies HEAVILY on birth control, hormones, and other contraceptives. I'd LOVE to see conservatives try and go after contraceptives simply because I know the walk back when porn industries threaten legal action will be fucking hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Which provisions are those, exactly?



    Exactly what about this is so objectionable that it could be called a "poison pill"?
    Are you really surprised that a conservative would claim that the gay marriage bill contains a poison pill when it doesn't? They'll always find some dumb shit to justify denying people their rights.
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    Just came here to remind people that the right has no moral conscious. If they ever try to morally scold you, it's not because they think what you're doing is wrong. Is because it's effective, and want to discourage you from doing it.

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    People like you, Miffinat0r, want to believe that we still live with the same racism of the 1960s.
    What the hell does this even mean? Either you're purposefully ignorant and don't get the racism is the same or asinine enough to believe somehow there's different racism out there.

    Segregated lunch counters aren't coming back.
    Yeah guys, it's not coming back, they'll just stop at removing women's rights and definitely won't go after gays, trans, or minorities. All they do is try and make it harder for minorities to vote, that's enough for them and they have no reason to go worse and farther with it.

    Do you look at what you type or do you hit your head on the keyboard and it miraculously just ends up being like that every time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    There aren't a return of the poll taxes and grandfather rules of the past.
    *Looks at Republicans wanting to do a poll tax by making people buy an ID to vote* Yeah you're right, they don't want that one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    The issue with the Confederacy is a multi layered one, in particular the Lost Cause Myth, where the basic belief is that the Confederacy seceded not because of Slavery but because of the fear of a too centralized goverment
    If only we had their own words on why they seceded...

    Oh wait. We do.

  9. #269
    The polar opposite in reality is true about government and rural/urban populations. The government has actually always prioritized urban and suburban populations. The reason isn't difficult to figure out, it's election based numbers in our democratic system. Politicians need votes, and it's a *whole* lot easier to earn them in places with high population. Most campaigning is done there, and them prioritizing projects like new schools, bridges, highways, etc. goes a lot further in suburban/urban higher population areas than in rural ones. So suburban/urban areas have always been politically favored.

    Rural populations have complained about being at the bottom of the totem pole and having no voice because of this compared to the politically favored urban cities in states going way back to the start. There has been some progress to slightly balance rural and urban voices a bit more, but it's still not close. Voting numbers and dollars will draw the politicians to them, and that's why the larger population centers always have the advantage.

    One small exception that has come about from extreme gerrymandering are the rural areas that are very wealthy hot spots. Some large cities will have an area outside the city ~50 miles that's been gerrymandered to the hilt, where just about every home is a large property and $5M+. That gets to the same result as high-population suburban/urban areas since that much $ in an district can buy a whole lot of political influence. But those super-wealthy and mega-gerrymandered rural districts are not common, though they certainly exist now. Those districts tend to have some real far-out characters for Representatives too, knee-deep into conspiracy theories and extreme views.

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