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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Nope? Legion didn't take inspiration from Diablo?
    I don't see any way it could. There's no 'hell' and no 'nephalem' and no 'lord of hell' or anything.

    Class abilities do not overlap between the two franchises?
    Minimal overlap, which in no way, shape or form links both franchises together to the point that "if something goes for one, it also goes for the other". Diablo wizard and WoW mage are not interconnected at all.

    Doesn't matter if he's an elite Mage, he's a Mage nonetheless.
    Medivh wasn't just an "elite mage". He was given more powers than your average mage. By your logic, "void magic" are one of the powers of the warrior class. Because Garrosh, 'empowered by the Y'shaarj heart' or not, was still a warrior, nonetheless.

    Not to mention the WC2 Mage that you completely ignored.
    That's an old game and much has been retconned. No mage in the history of Warcraft after WCII ever displayed the ability to shoot lightning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    There is no point of this thread. Diablo 3 came out over 10 years ago (during WoW Cataclysm) and Mages never got the spell.

    Because they were NEVER going to get the spell.
    On what basis, exactly?
    Aren't we getting new abilities pretty much every expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    Yeah but the Diablo "Wizard" doesn't exist in Warcraft. That's my point. Warcraft has Mages which are sometimes called Wizards. Diablo has Wizards. They're two different universes which means they aren't necessarily the same thing.
    Yes, if you checked out the class and it turned out to be the Demon Hunter case, which is not like the WoW version.
    But, this is not the case. They are extremely similar and overlap a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I don't see any way it could. There's no 'hell' and no 'nephalem' and no 'lord of hell' or anything.
    They're called demons.

    Minimal overlap, which in no way, shape or form links both franchises together to the point that "if something goes for one, it also goes for the other". Diablo wizard and WoW mage are not interconnected at all.
    Minimal? How is it minimal?

    Medivh wasn't just an "elite mage". He was given more powers than your average mage. By your logic, "void magic" are one of the powers of the warrior class. Because Garrosh, 'empowered by the Y'shaarj heart' or not, was still a warrior, nonetheless
    Oh, so the powers of the guardian specifically includes lightning? It isn't an empowerment of power? Tell that to his HotS character, for example.

    That's an old game and much has been retconned. No mage in the history of Warcraft after WCII ever displayed the ability to shoot lightning.
    How comfortable.
    But WC3 isn't old, right?
    Where was it retconned out, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They're called demons.
    Really? "Because they're called demons"? Did you know that the word "demon" is used everywhere in fantasy media and folklore, right? "Demons" is not a word Blizzard invented out of nowhere for the Diablo game. That's one of the weakest argument I've seen in my entire life in this forum.

    The Burning Legion was not based off Diablo. That's all I'll say about this since the Burning Legion is not pertinent to this conversation.

    Minimal? How is it minimal?
    Because a tiny handful of abilities being similar while everything else about the concepts being different is, indeed, "minimal".

    Oh, so the powers of the guardian specifically includes lightning? It isn't an empowerment of power? Tell that to his HotS character, for example.
    "Medivh ("keeper of secrets" in Thalassian) was the last Guardian of Tirisfal, an ancient line of protectors bestowed with great powers"

    That's the line. It says they were granted "great powers".

    How comfortable.
    But WC3 isn't old, right?
    Where was it retconned out, exactly?
    Can you show me any mage using lightning powers aside from Warcraft 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Yes, if you checked out the class and it turned out to be the Demon Hunter case, which is not like the WoW version.
    But, this is not the case. They are extremely similar and overlap a lot.
    Doesn't matter, they're literally not the same thing. This is obviously an areas where they don't overlap.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    She's a Wizard. It couldn't be anymore clear than that.
    Wizard is not a class in WoW. It couldn't be anymore clearer than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Because a tiny handful of abilities being similar while everything else about the concepts being different is, indeed, "minimal".


    "Tiny handful of abilities"

    What exactly is that minimal everything else?

    So, great powers is automatically lightning?

    Can you show me any mage using lightning powers aside from Warcraft 2?
    Can you show me it was retconned?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mardux View Post
    Wizard is not a class in WoW. It couldn't be anymore clearer than that.
    It doesn't need to be.
    Classes have many different names, with Wizard being that of a Mage, like a Sorcerer, Arcanist, Archamge, Bloodmage etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    On what basis, exactly?
    Aren't we getting new abilities pretty much every expansion?
    On the basis that we had 5 WoW expansions since the release of Diablo 3 and they never brought the ability to the mage class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Classes have many different names, with Wizard being that of a Mage, like a Sorcerer, Arcanist, Archamge, Bloodmage etc...
    And World of Warcraft specifically has never had any mentioned of a player Wizard class or subclass.

    You're welcome for clearing up your confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    On the basis that we had 5 WoW expansions since the release of Diablo 3 and they never brought the ability to the mage class.
    Yet, they did bring Ray of Frost, Arcane Orb, Supernova, Familiar and Meteor in that time span.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    And World of Warcraft specifically has never had any mentioned of a player Wizard class or subclass.

    You're welcome for clearing up your confusion.
    That's just another name for a Mage.
    Known names among the Wizard: Antonidas, Jaina, Khadgar, Rhonin and Medivh.
    You want to tell me we have no access to their powers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    That's just another name for a Mage.
    Known names among the Wizard: Antonidas, Jaina, Khadgar, Rhonin and Medivh.
    You want to tell me we have no access to their powers?
    It's not another name for them any more than you could call any of them 'Evokers'.

    If you're still confused, then you might want to recheck your headcanon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    It's not another name for them any more than you could call any of them 'Evokers'.

    If you're still confused, then you might want to recheck your headcanon.
    Sure, buddy.
    Mages only have one title. -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Sure, buddy.
    Mages only have one title. -_-
    I didn't say Mages only have one title.

    I said that the Mage player class has never been refered to as a Wizard, and that there is no Wizard player class.

    All you're pointing at are D3 Wizard abilities being repurposed for WoW. There's no rule that says only Mages can reference their abilities.

    Look at D2's abilities repurposed for WoW. WoW Auras came from Diablo 2 Paladins. Thorns is not a Paladin ability, it is a Druid ability in WoW. Evokers having a Wizard ability isn't really abnormal at all.
    Last edited by Triceron; 2022-07-23 at 07:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    I didn't say Mages only have one title.

    I said that the Mage player class has never been refered to as a Wizard, and that there is no Wizard player class.

    All you're pointing at are D3 Wizard abilities being repurposed for WoW. There's no rule that says only Mages can reference their abilities.
    Why would they? They have a name. Doesn't mean in lore, it doesn't have other names.

    Look at D2's abilities repurposed for WoW. WoW Auras came from Diablo 2 Paladins. Thorns is not a Paladin ability, it is a Druid ability in WoW. Evokers having a Wizard ability isn't really abnormal at all.
    Thorns is a general diablo ability. Other classes have it too.
    But, by your example, you can see how the two definitely overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Why would they? They have a name. Doesn't mean in lore, it doesn't have other names.
    Here's another perspective then. Evokers are mages (lower case M) just as Paladins and Death Knights are warriors. It's not the class we're talking about, but a general classification that you're applying. That would make more sense to how you're applying this title to Wizards being a type of mage, just like you could say a Barbarian is a type of warrior but not anything specific to the Warrior class since Barbarians don't exist as a formal class in the Warcraft universe.

    If we consider the Evoker is a type of mage, then it makes sense they could use Wizard abilities.

    Thorns is a general diablo ability. Other classes have it too.
    But, by your example, you can see how the two definitely overlap.
    What's the difference between a general ability and a non-general one? I could say Disintegrate is a general ability too then, and that also solves your issues.

    To be honest, I'm not sure why you have any issues anyways since D3 Wizards aren't in WoW. Every spell and ability from Diablo series is going to be general Diablo abilities when translated back into WoW. It's not like Barbarian abilities can only be used by Warriors or Crusader abilities only usable by Paladins or any shit like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Here's another perspective then. Evokers are mages (lower case M) just as Paladins and Death Knights are warriors. It's not the class we're talking about, but a general classification that you're applying. That would make more sense to how you're applying this title to Wizards being a type of mage, just like you could say a Barbarian is a type of warrior but not anything specific to the Warrior class since Barbarians don't exist as a formal class in the Warcraft universe.

    If we consider the Evoker is a type of mage, then it makes sense they could use Wizard abilities.
    Barbarian PvP Talent
    Tank Specs – Row 1 PvP Talent
    Requires Warrior (Fury)
    Requires level 33
    For 3 sec after casting Heroic Leap, you may cast the spell a second time without regard for its cooldown.

    Increases the damage done by your Heroic Leap by 200%.
    Fury Warrior, my friend.

    Evokers aren't a type of a Mage. They just overlap, like Warlocks and Demon Hunters.

    What's the difference between a general ability and a non-general one? I could say Disintegrate is a general ability too then, and that also solves your issues.

    To be honest, I'm not sure why you have any issues anyways since D3 Wizards aren't in WoW. Every spell and ability from Diablo series is going to be general Diablo abilities when translated back into WoW. It's not like Barbarian abilities can only be used by Warriors or Crusader abilities only usable by Paladins or any shit like that.
    The difference is that it is shared between classes. A mechanic that damages enemies who attack.

    Barbarian and Crusader abilities can only be used by Warriors and Paladins. What are you talking about? Have you ever gone through their abilities? Plenty of their abilities exist in these WoW classes.

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    This thread still going? OP still hasn't learned that

    Wizards are not mages
    Diablo is not warcraft
    Dragons are not mages, and mages are not dragons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    The difference is that it is shared between classes. A mechanic that damages enemies who attack.

    Barbarian and Crusader abilities can only be used by Warriors and Paladins. What are you talking about? Have you ever gone through their abilities? Plenty of their abilities exist in these WoW classes.
    Not at all. Crusaders have Fires of the Heavens, which is basically Priests Holy Fire. They also have Shield Bash, which is a Warrior ability.

    Barbarians have Grim Ward, which is basically a Shaman Totem.

    Abilities are just abilities. That's why disintegrate is an Evoker spell.

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    Evokers are just spell casting dragons in WoW.
    Of course they will have overlapping spells with other fantasy casters.
    Evoker, Mage, Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock, etc... It just depends on the person writing the fantasy on what their skillset is.
    They are all threads of the same cloth. Especially when you consider Warcraft borrows heavily from D&D where Evokers are just a specialist in the Wizard class and Mages are just Wizards in the current edition, renamed after 2nd edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    She's a Wizard. It couldn't be anymore clear than that.
    There you have it, a Wizard, not a mage.
    Quote Originally Posted by bizzy View Post
    yeh but lava is just very hot water

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    if mages wanna learn the spell disintegrate they need to go to evoker school and learn it idk its not hard

    its how i learned disintegrate

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