Disintegrate

[ZyntosAran]

That's Ray of Frost:


Ray of Frost
Secondary
Cost: 16 Arcane Power

Project a beam of frozen ice that blasts enemies within 5 yards of the first enemy hit for 430% weapon damage as Cold and Slows their movement by 60% for 3 seconds.

Ray of Frost damage is increased by 405% weapon damage every second, up to a maximum total of 1240% weapon damage as Cold.

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=356995/disintegrate



Hey look, its also doing Frost damage (Frostspell), and slowing.

So Evokers Disintegrate is actually ray of frost.

[Teriz]

Is that how it's going to be from now on? The Evoker is going to scavenge from the Mage?

I don't recall Mages having a spell called Disintegrate where they shot spellfrost from their mouths.

[Hobbidaggy]

Here we go another username thread where he refuses to listen to anybody and repeatedly argues his point over and over and over and over and over and over.

Just ignore them. They are a waste of time people. All they do is argue and never listen and make mega replies quoting 12 things and commenting on each quote.

It’s truely pathetic

[username993720]

I don't recall Mages having a spell called Disintegrate where they shot spellfrost from their mouths.

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=356995/disintegrate



Hey look, its also doing Frost damage (Frostspell), and slowing.

So Evokers Disintegrate is actually ray of frost.

I just hope it is not at the expense of a Mage version of Disintegrate.

[cocomen2]

Teriz was so afraid that they gonna reuse some old theme for new class.
"Dark Ranger - is just a Hunter with shadow magic spells"
"Necromancer - is just a ranged Death Knight"
he used to say, but now he happy that blizzard just adding Mage 2.0 rework with addition of removed MW monk spells.

"Its not a mage! its dragon mage!" same fire breath, freezing ray, fire balls; with same luck they should just allow Mage to cast "Arcane Wings"+"Arcane Wind"+"Mage Hand" and he can just use all these "Evoker" skills.

"Mage magically producing pair of powerful magical wings that allow him to hover above ground, and carry one of teammates"

Now we gonna pretend that time manipulation was not one of mage themes.

/irony

It would be atleast somewhat acceptable if Evoker had melee spec while Mage hasn't but...yeah.

[Teriz]

I just hope it is not at the expense of a Mage version of Disintegrate.

Ray of Frost isn't Spellfrost, it's just frost. Additionally, the mage is shooting it from his hands, not his mouth since he's not a dragon.

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Teriz was so afraid that they gonna reuse some old theme for new class.
"Dark Ranger - is just a Hunter with shadow magic spells"
"Necromancer - is just a ranged Death Knight"
he used to say, but now he happy that blizzard just adding Mage 2.0 rework with addition of removed MW monk spells.

"Its not a mage! its dragon mage!" same fire breath, freezing ray, fire balls; with same luck they should just allow Mage to cast "Arcane Wings"+"Arcane Wind" and he can just use all these "Evoker" skills.

"Mage magically producing pair of powerful magical wings that allow him to hover above ground, and carry one of teammates"

Now we gonna pretend that time manipulation was not one of mage themes.

/irony

Yeah, except it isn't the same fire breath, freezing ray, or fire balls. For starters Evokers primary fire spell is also a healing ability. Mage's fireball can't do that. Then there's the more extensive time spells, the charge ability, and the entire healing component that powers the Preservation spec.

Also the wing-based abilities in the Evoker class isn't a one off, they're used in several abilities. You would have to fundamentally alter the Mage class to make it resemble the Evoker class, and even then, it wouldn't make sense.

So no, this isn't a similar situation to DRs and Hunters where you can slap on a coat of paint and add 2 talents and you're golden. Mages and Evokers are fundamentally two entirely different classes.

[Shaqthefat]

You really don't understand the differences between Mages, Warlocks, Druids and Death Knights?

Clearly you don't. You're the one who stated that because disintegrate in its base form is arcane in nature makes it a mage only spell. Which isn't even true considering it's a wizard spell and not a mage spell.

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Is that how it's going to be from now on? The Evoker is going to scavenge from the Mage?

How can they scavenge something that was never the mages to begin with?

[Fabled]

Wait until the OP finds out that Emissaries are ripped from D3's Adventure mode

Makes sense for an empowered spellslinging class to have something the typical casters of Azeroth wouldn't have.
Though from a lore standpoint, I'm sure Jaina could whip something like that up.

[hulkgor]

Why is Disintegrate an Evoker ability instead of a Mage one?
It is an iconic Li-Ming ability:

Disintegrate
80 Mana Cooldown: 20 seconds
Channel a powerful beam, dealing 480 damage over 2.6 seconds to enemies while they are in it. The direction of the beam changes with your mouse cursor position.

TIL Li-Ming is from Warcraft's universe, not Diablo's.

Also. LOL.

[Myradin]

I do find Spellfrost such a silly damage type though.

Are frost spells not spellfrost? Its not like im taking water, freezing it, then firing it. Im confuring ice, out of magic, and tossing it at someone.

[username993720]

Ray of Frost isn't Spellfrost, it's just frost. Additionally, the mage is shooting it from his hands, not his mouth since he's not a dragon.

Who said anything about Ray of Frost?
Why would they need to? Neither the D3 Wizard nor HotS Li-Ming shoots it from their mouths.

Clearly you don't. You're the one who stated that because disintegrate in its base form is arcane in nature makes it a mage only spell. Which isn't even true considering it's a wizard spell and not a mage spell.

Mages are Wizards, for crying out loud.

How can they scavenge something that was never the mages to begin with?

It would have been if it weren't for those meddling Evokers.

[Teriz]

Who said anything about Ray of Frost?
Why would they need to? Neither the D3 Wizard nor HotS Li-Ming shoots it from their mouths.

Your entire argument is that the Evoker took something from mages. The point is that a spell from D3 is not WoW Mage spell.

So what exactly is the point of this thread? Sour grapes that we got an Evoker class and not a Dark Ranger or Night Warrior class?

[Shaqthefat]

Mages are Wizards, for crying out loud.



It would have been if it weren't for those meddling Evokers.

No, li-ming is not a mage. She is a diablo wizard. A diablo wizard is drastically different from what a mage is. Diablo and Warcraft are very different universes with very different rules.

And it wouldn't have been a mage ability, because wizard doesn't exist for mages to scavenge off of.

[username993720]

Your entire argument is that the Evoker took something from mages. The point is that a spell from D3 is not WoW Mage spell.

So what exactly is the point of this thread? Sour grapes that we got an Evoker class and not a Dark Ranger or Night Warrior class?

Nope.
But, guess where Ray of Frost, Arcane Orb, Supernova, Nether Tempest, Arcane Familiar, and Meteor came from?

No, li-ming is not a mage. She is a diablo wizard. A diablo wizard is drastically different from what a mage is. Diablo and Warcraft are very different universes with very different rules.

And it wouldn't have been a mage ability, because wizard doesn't exist for mages to scavenge off of.

How so?
Except for electricity, they do the same things use the same spells.

[Teriz]

Nope.
But, guess where Ray of Frost, Arcane Orb, Supernova, Nether Tempest, Arcane Familiar, and Meteor came from?

But even if that's true, that's irrelevant. The relevant point is that Disintegrate was never a mage spell, and the Wizard's abilities from D3 are not guaranteed to wind up in the Mage class. Additionally, we have blue dragons that have arcane/frost breath, so when Blizzard wanted to create a dragon class that includes blue dragons, they needed a name for that known ability, and they chose disintegrate.

Your assertion that the Evoker "stole" from the Mage class is blatantly false.

[Gigantique]

Also let's not forget the Blue dragonflight which Disintegrate comes from are the goddamn guardians/ultimate authority on magic in Azeroth, they can do anything a mage can and more by default.

This is like asking why Gul'dan was given a fel based spell instead of warlocks like what.

[Temp name]

I just hope it is not at the expense of a Mage version of Disintegrate.

It's not, because mages were never going to get it.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

How so?
Except for electricity, they do the same things use the same spells.

Wrong. Again.


When you can't be fucked with doing your own due diligence on a topic, you respond with this quote.

[Byleth]

I just hope it is not at the expense of a Mage version of Disintegrate.

Oh, I'm 100% certain it will.

May as well make your peace with this.... Or not and continue howling into the wind.

Either way, mages aren't getting this spell now.

[username993720]

But even if that's true, that's irrelevant. The relevant point is that Disintegrate was never a mage spell, and the Wizard's abilities from D3 are not guaranteed to wind up in the Mage class. Additionally, we have blue dragons that have arcane/frost breath, so when Blizzard wanted to create a dragon class that includes blue dragons, they needed a name for that known ability, and they chose disintegrate.

Your assertion that the Evoker "stole" from the Mage class is blatantly false.

Doesn't seem like it Disintegrates anything. Raw power comes from pure Arcane or Fire, not Frost.

This is like asking why Gul'dan was given a fel based spell instead of warlocks like what.

Gul'dan is a Warlock.

It's not, because mages were never going to get it.

Why not?

Wrong. Again.


When you can't be fucked with doing your own due diligence on a topic, you respond with this quote.

When you don't have a comback, you write "wrong" but fail to explain.

Oh, I'm 100% certain it will.

May as well make your peace with this.... Or not and continue howling into the wind.

Either way, mages aren't getting this spell now.

Doesn't have to be called Disintegrate. And the Evoker's one looks like Ray of Frost more than any Disintegration.