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  1. #361
    It's disappointing because for new players, Hogger was usually the first mini-boss enemy they'd encounter. I still remember the initial, hey he isn't like the other mobs reaction. So toning that down to looking like most of the other mobs loses some of that. There was a time in wow when mini-bosses while leveling were actually a challenge, especially with some of the weaker classes.

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    Aw... New Hogger is so cute.
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  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Pendraeg View Post
    It kinda makes sense. It looks like, to me at least, that they're redoing the models to make them rig-able with the same armor and gear as player models. I'm in agreement about the faces for the gnolls (I mean, really, they're hyenas, not chihuahuas), but the updated models are a good thing for greater flexibility, which their engine sorely needed.
    I don't think anyone's arguing that the new models aren't of a higher quality model or that the old models weren't in serious need of an upgrade. even to allow riggable armour too.

    The issue is they've lost all of the personality from the model "Gnolls", and all of the qualities that have defined them since Vanilla. Gnoll are iconic to WOW, and their silhouette, hunch and posture and face, as well as their clear savagery are central to their design. NONE of that is here in the redesign It really does make them just look like an offshoot of Worgen.

    It's really hard to believe that these are meant to be the same race, let alone same model -



    I don't know who modelled or greenlit this - but they clearly weren't a Gnoll & Vanilla fan.
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  4. #364
    New wow designers have no idea what they're doing, it's been clear since the "new" player models and the same face issues, animation issues and overall lack of continuinity between the old style to the new models.

    And while apologists claimed "you don't understand you can't directly make old models to new models cause muh polygons muh skeletunz qqqq", you had freelance artists showing that you could to magnificent effect.

    It's the Disneyfication of everything. They're making wow for the kids of the players now, and the kids will grow up to be a bunch of wimps. I grew up with WC2, hence why to me all this new artstyle is a travesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleWhiskey View Post
    And while apologists claimed "you don't understand you can't directly make old models to new models cause muh polygons muh skeletunz qqqq", you had freelance artists showing that you could to magnificent effect.
    And there's two other WoW games that feature high poly and well-articulated Hoggers that are faithful to his original design. HotS and Arclight Rumble.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    The new Gnoll model's animations are quite complex, but there is no female model to be found.
    I wonder if this is a design direction they are taking from now on, now that there are no genders to the playable races, and if that could be an allied race then.
    Given they're based on Hyena's it makes sense. Female hyenas have generally evolved to be as masculine as possible due to how competitive their females are. Effectively, they're bred to blend in, so other females don't kill them.

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Iain View Post
    And there's two other WoW games that feature high poly and well-articulated Hoggers that are faithful to his original design. HotS and Arclight Rumble.
    Exactly. I don't know who spearheads AR but HOTS is Samwise Didier himself, one of the if not the last artists who's been there since the beginning and has created so many iconic characers and models.

    That's why every time you'd see a new character introduced in HOTS it would look so faithful to its IP. I can't think of a single example that made me think "wtf they got this so wrong!!!".

    These guys grew up with D&D, rock and roll, action movies and "violent" tv shows. They just made what they knew was cool and everyone loved it.
    Nowadays the lead artists are people with 15 arm tattoos, 12 nose piercings, update their facebook status to the flavor of the month "thing to be offended about" and care more about the amount of vacation days they get than what the hell they're doing.

    And that leads us to today's so called "new" Hogger model.

    But in an age where they want to make female space marines because apparently 40k doesn't have female representation, what do you expect?

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    They added Tuskarr with tits. There are just some races they decide don't make sense to have female bodies, like Sethrak and Jinyu.

    Dracthyr prove that they don't have to have tits to be playable, so this is a non-issue.
    I guess it should apply to reptilian races, since they don't have udders. But, a Hyena should definitely have them.

    Quote Originally Posted by AppleWhiskey View Post
    It's the Disneyfication of everything. They're making wow for the kids of the players now, and the kids will grow up to be a bunch of wimps. I grew up with WC2, hence why to me all this new artstyle is a travesty.
    Exactly.
    One example is removing the word "bitch" from Garrosh because one of the developers' kid was playing the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    Given they're based on Hyena's it makes sense. Female hyenas have generally evolved to be as masculine as possible due to how competitive their females are. Effectively, they're bred to blend in, so other females don't kill them.
    Dude, in real life, female Hyenas have a bigger shlong than males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnaught View Post
    Look how they massacred my boy!



    Seriously, I usually love when they update models. The WoD/Legion demons, the updated kodo mounts, the new nightsabers..... what were they thinking turning the gnolls into fucking Disney puppies???

    This guy eat bones, man, not Scooby Snacks!
    You guys took Gnolls way to seriously...lol, I always thought they were dumb Hyenas like that from the Lion King lol

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by AppleWhiskey View Post
    Exactly. I don't know who spearheads AR but HOTS is Samwise Didier himself, one of the if not the last artists who's been there since the beginning and has created so many iconic characers and models.

    That's why every time you'd see a new character introduced in HOTS it would look so faithful to its IP. I can't think of a single example that made me think "wtf they got this so wrong!!!".

    These guys grew up with D&D, rock and roll, action movies and "violent" tv shows. They just made what they knew was cool and everyone loved it.
    Nowadays the lead artists are people with 15 arm tattoos, 12 nose piercings, update their facebook status to the flavor of the month "thing to be offended about" and care more about the amount of vacation days they get than what the hell they're doing.

    And that leads us to today's so called "new" Hogger model.

    But in an age where they want to make female space marines because apparently 40k doesn't have female representation, what do you expect?
    I mean, all these things seem to work out, both in terms of being able to persue a higher education and archieve a career in the gaming industry and in terms of relationships, considering that we never see this kinds of people forming a movement about being involuntarily celibate. While more often than not, life doesn't work out sooo well for the people who know whats cool and get offended by the disney stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    You guys took Gnolls way to seriously...lol, I always thought they were dumb Hyenas like that from the Lion King lol
    If the hyenas from Lion King stood upright, wore clothes, and held crude weapons... so... nothing like the Lion King Hyenas. :P

    I would hold the actual hyenas in WoW more closer to the Lion King Hyenas :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    I mean, all these things seem to work out, both in terms of being able to persue a higher education and archieve a career in the gaming industry and in terms of relationships, considering that we never see this kinds of people forming a movement about being involuntarily celibate. While more often than not, life doesn't work out sooo well for the people who know whats cool and get offended by the disney stuff.
    i have no idea what your first sentence was supposed to say

    as for your second i can barely guess

    we're talking about iconic blizzard art styles and the artists that created them and you're talking about incels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    If the hyenas from Lion King stood upright, wore clothes, and held crude weapons... so... nothing like the Lion King Hyenas. :P

    I would hold the actual hyenas in WoW more closer to the Lion King Hyenas :P
    Oi' we got ourselves a smartass over here lol
    Talking about their personalities, they're dumb. I find Gnolls dumb,goofy,pest, minor annoyances..just like the Hyenas in Lion King
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Oi' we got ourselves a smartass over here lol
    Talking about their personalities, they're dumb. I find Gnolls dumb,goofy,pest, minor annoyances..just like the Hyenas in Lion King
    I wouldn't call them dumb, those poor things... goofy yes, pesky yes. But there is one thing Gnolls are not, and thats cute. Unless you are one of those weird types.
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  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Because they want to fuck them.
    I mean you know the gnolls will now be in all the Warcraft-based sex games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean you know the gnolls will now be in all the Warcraft-based sex games.
    You mean they werent before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Oi' we got ourselves a smartass over here lol
    Talking about their personalities, they're dumb. I find Gnolls dumb,goofy,pest, minor annoyances..just like the Hyenas in Lion King
    And they don't need to be more than that. For better or for worse. They don't need to be more dangerous or more vicious, but they also don't need to be more relatable. The whole point of a MMO is that threats come in all forms and sizes. Gnolls capture one specific niche and they do it well. They're a nuisance and when they congregate more like in Redridge, they become a threat. But they're not plotting world-domination (or maybe they do and they overestimate their chances). Likewise, they also don't need to be a tragic misunderstood antagonist either. It would be okay if there's a few gnolls on that track, like that pacifist Ogre in Cataclysm, but beyond that, there's no need to revamp a particular species into something else when it already does the thing it needs to do so well.

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    Needs armor too aswell as needing the old skin color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hctaz View Post
    No, I don't think it has much to do with the lower polygon count/limited tech that they had in the old days.
    Art style is art style regardless.

    You can see this with some of the remastered games which are praised for being true to the art style of the older game. People will say things like, "This is exactly how 6 year old me imagined this game looked!!!"

    I think it's just the WoW team changing their art direction slowly over the years. Not sure why everything looks all plastic-like in the modern day of gaming though. Like the update hyena's snout looks like it's just plastic.
    I'd be curious to see if it was due to an exec decision to discuss potential toys. Afterall, Blizzard owns Skylanders right? Food for thought on why things might start to look toy-ified.
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