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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Yeah, you are missing the fact that gameplay catered to solo players or matchmade players needs a complete different gameplay approach. But do not worry, that is quite normal if your bias is entirely limited to premade group play.
    I wouldn't call it bias; I play plenty of games with solo progression path - WoW just isn't one of them, and I don't expect it to be one of them. I appreciate it for what it does - after all, WoW requiring grouping for the most difficult achievements allowed me to meet many great people. Anyway, this is not my fight to fight. I have nothing against solo content with better progression path; at the same time, I don't understand why would one invest so much energy into this crusade for more of it, when there are games that already provide it in spades. But I certainly won't stop you if you believe this is something worth dying for.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Visions were nowhere close to a muiltiple level system with useful gearing progression. And the borrowed "corrupted power" system was simply a pain in the ass and no rewarding gearing progression.

    There is an existing reward system in WoW. It is called "gear". The devs should use that. And gear sould not only be useful for raiders and mythic+ players in pve. But also for solo players who would have gameplay like Torghast, but with progression and world quests with different difficulty phases.

    The best example on how to do it is mythic+ but for solo players and matchmade groups with personal accountability as major gameplay. Torghast with gear rewards you need for higher Torghast. With matchmaking or solo.
    You got gear from visions. Even close to mythic ilvl once a week if you did 5 mask.

  3. #123
    And i want to be made taxi job viable ingame,i want to transport people around Azeroth/Draenor and all parts of the game.Ofc they should cater to me and make this(doesnt matter if im that small minority) and make sure there is gearing path for taxi drivers like myself.After all its RPG,you know its in the name "Role",so Blizzard you either do that or i leave.You will lose alot if i leave!
    Last edited by thunder4o; 2022-07-20 at 10:30 AM.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Sauredfangs View Post
    What if players can create their own objectives ingame and be rewarded for it? Goals like, ogre hater, orc hater, night elf hater, pirate hater, wolf hunter, bear hunter, Rare hunter (all of those involve killing as much of those as you can), Killing people who kill animals, collecting certain items, band aiding injured players, buffing other people, etc.

    Then players get rewarded by something like adventure points that you can exchange for gold, gear, or cosmetics. Cosmetics like, hats, beanies, bandanas, wolf head helmets, tabards, etc. Adventure points varies on how tough your objectives are.

    You can also find people on the same objective so its a single player content that could become social too.

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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    like mythic, normal and heroic raids? Like rated arena? Like mythic+? Like battlegrounds?
    You can raid as solo joining LFR without talking with anyone in raid.
    You can join random arena without talking with partner.
    You can join HC/Mythic dungeons without talking with party.
    You can join RBG without talking with your team.

    Play single player games if you want to do hardest content solo.
    MMo is not for you.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Trend View Post
    An MMO might not be the thing for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendzia View Post
    MMo is not for you.
    Wanting more solo content doesn't meant you shouldn't be playing a MMORPG. It would seem to me that an adventurer proving their mettle in solo challenges fits perfectly well into the idea of a MMORPG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageonit View Post
    I wouldn't call it bias; I play plenty of games with solo progression path - WoW just isn't one of them, and I don't expect it to be one of them. I appreciate it for what it does - after all, WoW requiring grouping for the most difficult achievements allowed me to meet many great people. Anyway, this is not my fight to fight. I have nothing against solo content with better progression path; at the same time, I don't understand why would one invest so much energy into this crusade for more of it, when there are games that already provide it in spades. But I certainly won't stop you if you believe this is something worth dying for.
    Hopefully no one is arguing to remove group content only to add more solo content.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Wanting more solo content doesn't meant you shouldn't be playing a MMORPG.
    For me it does mean that.
    Why would i connect to internet, pay sub fee, having an account, wait in queues for server etc. for doing solo game?

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by b1gh3x View Post
    And not just world quests and dailies, but rather, meaningful and challenging content that can progress your character through out the entirety of a season.

    I envision a solo end game content experience, much like Monster Hunter or Dark Souls/Elden Ring.

    As it stands, there is currently very little reason to log on, outside your weekly m+/raid times. There is just nothing to do.
    This thread again? Sure, but then you're getting worse loot because it takes less effort.
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  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Everyone has the right to ask for content. Why would asking for content, any content, be prohibited?
    Here is the issue you are treating this as a "Right" while everyone can ask for stuff but all they are doing is wasting their time once again try to be realistic

    It's very very few times that blizz has actually added content that ppl flooded the forum with, then here comes those delusional people who ask for stupid stuff

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendzia View Post
    For me it does mean that.
    Why would i connect to internet, pay sub fee, having an account, wait in queues for server etc. for doing solo game?
    Arguably wanting more solo content doesn't mean you're playing alone. You can still belong to a guild and have friends without doing organized content; you are still part of the server economy; you can still encounter people randomly in the world, group casually for things like world bosses/group quests etc. etc. And you can still think it's worth paying the sub for the social part of the game, without engaging in organized group content.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by b1gh3x View Post
    And not just world quests and dailies, but rather, meaningful and challenging content that can progress your character through out the entirety of a season.

    I envision a solo end game content experience, much like Monster Hunter or Dark Souls/Elden Ring.

    As it stands, there is currently very little reason to log on, outside your weekly m+/raid times. There is just nothing to do.
    They can do this easily without even using more assets. They are chosing not to, so I don't think they ever will make content for solo players.

    They could make solo raids. The rest of the team is NPCs. To beat the boss you have to do the job of your role. If you are a tank- you have to have the boss in the right position, time the swap right, use your big def cd on the tank buster mechanic, pick up the adds, etc, If you do your role right- the boss goes down.

    It might actually be more difficult than a group raid. In a group- someone can help you out or save you if you mess up- this is all on you. Raid leads will do call outs, no call outs here. We also know there are always a few on the team that are being carried, that won't happen here. You could even turn it into more content by making it possible to recruit famous NPCs for your team like Illidan, etc. You can even turn it into strategy (who should I use as a tank?)

    It would be really easy to do, with art assets already all in game, they just chose not to do it because they want a group focused game. That's why I tell solo players, this is prob not the best game for you- the dev team really isn't intent on making any solo content for players. They don't even take the easy wins they could make.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonflight10 View Post
    Here is the issue you are treating this as a "Right" while everyone can ask for stuff but all they are doing is wasting their time once again try to be realistic

    It's very very few times that blizz has actually added content that ppl flooded the forum with, then here comes those delusional people who ask for stupid stuff
    So, you're saying people only have a right to ask for content that is realistic, and you are personally the one who defines what is realistic and what is delusional. Am I getting this right?

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Celvira View Post
    how much of it was actually enjoyable though?
    so the issue is not really lack of SP content, rather lack of SP content YOU LIKED... and wouldnt that be issue with ANY single player content?
    or you think if they add another SP content by some miracle it will all be to your liking?
    Last edited by Lolites; 2022-07-20 at 12:17 PM.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Appealing to single players should be as important as appealing to group players. And no, gate keeping content and rewards based on group sizes is quite awkward in a game genre where the solo players are around 65% of the whole player base.
    So what you are saying is that all games, no matter what their stated goals are should appeal to both solo and group players. I see, let's complain to CDProjectRed that in Witcher and Cyberpunk there is no option to do 20 Player Raids.

    You notice how ludicrous this sounds? I sure hope so.

    Players can have all kinds of wishes and demands, but if they choose to ignore parts of the content then that is on them and them alone. If someone comes to a MMO to play it solo then that is their choice and Blizzard is in no way required to accomodate this any more then a single player hack and slash game has to accomodate me for wanting to play pacifist.

    The Devs aren't responsible for people choosing the wrong game to play and they are even less responsible for people thinking that the whole world revolves around them and thus everything should bend to their demands.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Trend View Post
    An MMO might not be the thing for you.
    That's short sighted and fundamentally wrong.

    Without single player content - no-one will be online to do group content.

    That's what happened in New World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    so the issue is not really lack of SP content, rather lack of SP content YOU LIKED... and wouldnt that be issue with ANY single player content?
    Correction, the lack of SP content that a vast number of people liked, I mean - I still log on, but there are few others around to even do world bosses in current content let alone M+ or stuff.

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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    so the issue is not really lack of SP content, rather lack of SP content YOU LIKED... and wouldnt that be issue with ANY single player content?
    or you think if they add another SP content by some miracle it will all be to your liking?
    Of course that is the issue. They didn't like the content, so it didn't exist. There wasn't high enough loot dropping from the content, so it didn't exist. It was too difficult, because it expected them to open their spellbook and read abilities for once, so it didn't exist.

    It is always the same selfish nonsense: "Blizzard make the game how I and I alone want it! Now!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    That's short sighted and fundamentally wrong.
    Actually it isn't. This game is directed at people playing things as a group. There is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that the Solo Players cannot abide that this one game DARES to not cater to them for once. There are thousands of solo games out there, where is the problem that this one game is not one of them?

    There isn't one unless people make it a problem because they cannot suffer the existence of a game that is not made for them specifically.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Without single player content - no-one will be online to do group content.

    That's what happened in New World.
    Ah yes. Truely horrible that we can only communicate inside the game to organise doing things together. If only there was some kind of plattform that allows communication without logging into the game and doing solo content. At best it would double as a voice chat tool and to share memes and cat pictures.

    But alas. Nothing like this exists and probably never will. Curse you unfair world!

    Sarcasm aside, I know what you will say: "But I can't pug from outside the game!!!111one"

    My answer is simple: Do not pug. Find a guild. Join the guild Discord.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Elfezen View Post
    almost everything is single player asides from instanced content and world bosses, a further change would be to make dungeons solo with your followers like the trust system in ffxiv, wow already has follower system and it could work in dungeons, this could work on raids too but maybe it would have to reduce the total amount of people in them, and for solo battlegrounds it would need an npc bot type system for your remaining team and the other team
    I have been saying this for years, also The Old Republic is the first one I can think of that let you have droids to fill roles.

    I agree there needs to be more solo content, and there are so many abandoned systems that could be retrofitted to do it.
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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Actually it isn't. This game is directed at people playing things as a group.
    That is a contradiction - how can you do things with a group without other people online ? Makes no sense at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Ah yes. Truely horrible that we can only communicate inside the game to organise doing things together.
    Not horrible at all, this is a game - not real life. Being in game is where you find people to play in game stuff ... it is just rational.

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  19. #139
    While it may need more stuff to do outside of group play. It just needs more content as a whole. More stuff to do. Getting a content patch every 8 months isn't good enough.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Correction, the lack of SP content that a vast number of people liked, I mean
    given we have no clue what vast number of people like thats kinda moot correction, but misses the point entirely - if they added new SP content than literaly ANYONE except the person i quoted loved, wouldnt he still ask for more sp content?
    people ask for THEIR preference, not what its good/liked by other people


    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    I still log on, but there are few others around to even do world bosses in current content let alone M+ or stuff.
    neither of which is single player content so i have no idea why you even mention that...

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