True, but seniority could as well trump immediate relevance. Further, it is arguable as to whether Wrathion will be a better character following Sabellian's further development.
If Sabellian were made an interesting character in DF, it may make him more desirable as a leader. Of course, I presume this whole debate is entirely what Blizzard wants and there'll be a whole thing made about this for a while until they decide to toss it out entirely for some nonsense like having them both lead or having Sabellian inexplicably step away to allow Wrathion to lead and invalidate the whole mess.
I will also concede to you that the one benefit I do think that Wrathion may truly have over Sabellian is that we've seen his quest from the get-go—he's simply got more character development, so it would be nice to see his whole arc get wrapped up with a nice, neat bow.
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Are they? They have some champions, yes, but I honestly doubt the races as a whole would withstand a full-scale assault from the combined might of the dragons. Sure, we're killing dragons left and right as the player character, but I assume we are the exception, not the rule about how powerful the Horde and Alliance armies as a whole are.
The Dragons are on the verge of extinction. Even if there are only a few people who are powerful enough kill dragons within the Horde and Allaince it would be enough.
Canonically 25-ish mortals killed an Aspect with minimal assistance, Alex sent drakes to aid in the killing of Malygos she didn't personally empower us (unless Im misremembering).
Plus the Dragonmaw unaided killed plenty black dragonkin in Twilight Highlands, maybe not full dragons. (Edit: Correction they also killed full dragons).
But if it takes a handful of people to kill the most powerful dragons and alone Orc clan can make war with the lesser dragons. The combined might of Horde and Allaince could finish off what's left, imo.
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Sad, I'd like to get to know Sabellion's character without being pitted against him by another character I like/know more.
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I'm glad they didn't consider Ebonhorn, because that would diminish his personal ties to the Highmountain/Mayla. Those are his people/tribe, that's who he is. That way he can get involved to help the black flight but his priorities are with his family.
Wrathion is a confrontational and immature character, but in BfA he showed actual growth and change. He also put more on the line personally to help us(Azeroth) like the previous Aspects did against Deathwing. He also helped the aspects wipe out the corrupt Black dragons.
While Sabellion eventually left to do his own thing, he's in a somewhat similar situation to Genn. He sauntered off when it was convenient for him and stayed conveniently safe until either the problem was gone or they were forcefully involved. And like Genn trying to convince Varian, the remaining dragon leaders have nothing to go off of for Sabellion's current character, other than the fact he neglected his duties as a dragon (for the child he admonished to deal with)--and that he was their enemy as some point. Of course, to be fair, he wasn't strong enough to fight Deathwing, old god corruption is nearly absolute for them once corrupted (and he was), and he did successfully maintain a clutch he protected in the Outlands. So maybe this is more akin to the Nightborne trying to act buddy-buddy with the Nightelves...regardless
He does have feats that suggest he's a good ruler for his clutch of dragons, but he fails to measure up as an Aspect candidate.
However Wrathion did nearly destroy the planet via the Legion invasion, so lmao
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This would be pretty left field for sabellian to pop out of nowhere, so they will probably have some build up to him showing up or we go find him.
Hopefully there may be tidbits of info explaining that because he was in outland for so long the whispers of the old gods were gone along with their death in BFA.
Suppose its good we delt with the Arakkoa trying to summon an old god in shadowmoon.
He always did seem to be more "friendly" then typical black dragons and even stating Rexxar was a friend.
Ohh i hope that they put a line of text somewhere of them Recognizing the player if they did his quests in outland for killing gruuls sons
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I was worried that they'd forget about Sabellian's existence, glad to see him back. The whole "side with x" angle makes me think that it's just a giant gimmicky bait and neither are actually going to be the new aspect, they'll be unable to come to terms and agree with each other which will prompt the other aspects to pick Ebonhorn as the only suitable leader due to age and experience. Wrathion and Sabellian are just gonna be Chromie's equivalents within the Black Dragonflight.
I like the idea that crossing through the dark portal severed their connection to the Old Gods and freed them of their corruption.
Team Sabellian here.
Too bad he will most assuredly be killed off by this expansion's end in favor of progressing Wrathion's story as a main character of the game.
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Doesn't Sabellian still have the old god taint? It's been a long time since I did his questline, but IIRC his helping you was more about taking out a mutual enemy than it was any sort of altruism on his part.
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He should, and you've pretty got the right read on him back in TBC. His cooperation with the PC was definitely a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" type of proposition, and altruism never factored into his aid.
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Didn't the Collector's Edition already spoil who the black dragonflight leader is?