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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
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    We can go round and round with this, but the fact of the matter is tieflings have a variety of options available as far as features go ("totally human looking but with small horns" being one of them) and since the people behind the movies didn't specify which edition they were strictly sticking to (if any) then all options are on the table. Now, if the character claims to be a tiefling of Asmodeus then you'd have a point. Until then, tough luck.

    But basically it all boils down to YOU misidentified what the character was (while a lot of people didn't) and that pissed you off. Cool story, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    none of this is official art
    It's really worth mentioning that part of the greatness of D&D is that there really is no "official" anything, every table has its own rules and images and everything. It's kind of the point of D&D that the rules are actually more like guidelines and every group should throw out or change anything that doesn't work for that group. Even in "official" materials, changes happen all the time (such as there no longer really being evil races).

    "Master the rules, don't let the rules master you". That should be the quote on every DM screen, everywhere.

    D&D is a living system, changing and adapting not only in the published material but at every table where it's played. This movie is just another table.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    We can go round and round with this, but the fact of the matter is tieflings have a variety of options available as far as features go ("totally human looking but with small horns" being one of them) and since the people behind the movies didn't specify which edition they were strictly sticking to (if any) then all options are on the table. Now, if the character claims to be a tiefling of Asmodeus then you'd have a point. Until then, tough luck.

    But basically it all boils down to YOU misidentified what the character was (while a lot of people didn't) and that pissed you off. Cool story, bro.
    In fact, if you want to be specific, a druid shapeshifting into a monstrosity like an owlbear is only available in older editions.......the same older editions which say tieflings can look "almost human except for any one feature." IE, horns, in this case. Druids in 5e can only shapeshift into beasts, or, in a certain subclass, elementals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And yet if you look in the players handbook on page 42:



    Is that Official enough?
    Ok, where in the quote it says it does not start in the forehead?

    Also, funny thing...have you looked at the eyes of your "official" tieflings?
    Yes, they don't look like normal human eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    We can go round and round with this
    I mean, it is you that is going round and round with this, i already made my point and position very clear in the first post about this.

    I said it was a bad depiction of a tiefling to be put on the movie, regardless if they could look like that in older editions, because its not how the general public knows then, its not how tieflings are depicted in the common media, etc.

    But basically it all boils down to YOU misidentified what the character was (while a lot of people didn't) and that pissed you off. Cool story, bro.
    If someone said they immediately identified that as a tiefling, in the first watch of the trailer, they are lying, simple as that.

    And who said a thing about "pissed off"? i just said i didn't like, i dunno why mmo champion have so many randons trying to say how your subjective opinion is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    It's really worth mentioning that part of the greatness of D&D is that there really is no "official" anything, every table has its own rules and images and everything. It's kind of the point of D&D that the rules are actually more like guidelines and every group should throw out or change anything that doesn't work for that group. Even in "official" materials, changes happen all the time (such as there no longer really being evil races).

    "Master the rules, don't let the rules master you". That should be the quote on every DM screen, everywhere.

    D&D is a living system, changing and adapting not only in the published material but at every table where it's played. This movie is just another table.
    i know that

    but if you put a human with a duck beak and says its an elf, no one will eat that out

    All im saying is that is a poor depiction of the race, instead of showing how tieflings are saw in the general media, and how are well know, they went with the shadiest, rare and almost unknown depiction.

    When rly some faint red-ish skin color would solve all the problem.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Ok, where in the quote it says it does not start in the forehead?
    Where does it say that they have to? All it says is that they have horns...doesn't specify they all have to have to start in the forehead.

    Yes, they don't look like normal human eyes
    But again, according to the PHB:

    and their eyes are solid colors—black, red, white, silver, or gold—with no visible sclera or pupil.
    See the problem with your "official tiefling art"
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    its not how the general public knows then, its not how tieflings are depicted in the common media, etc.
    I think this is where we're having a disconnect with your issue.

    I would assert that the "general public" and "common media" have no clue at all what a Tiefling is nor what they look like. Her appearance is a nitpicky item strictly for the people that are very much into D&D and, even then, as we see here there will be a great divergence of opinion on the topic. This is of such little importance that I feel we've already spilled far too many words discussing it The character looks great and I'm sure audiences will love her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Where does it say that they have to? All it says is that they have horns...doesn't specify they all have to have to start in the forehead.
    The official art does, unless there is others who don't.

    But again, according to the PHB:


    See the problem with your "official tiefling art"
    no, as the movie is not faithful to both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    I think this is where we're having a disconnect with your issue.

    I would assert that the "general public" and "common media" have no clue at all what a Tiefling is nor what they look like. Her appearance is a nitpicky item strictly for the people that are very much into D&D and, even then, as we see here there will be a great divergence of opinion on the topic. This is of such little importance that I feel we've already spilled far too many words discussing it The character looks great and I'm sure audiences will love her.
    Nope, the general public of dungeons and dragons and common media about then depict then with red-ish colors, or with skin from different colors, with inhuman eyes and other devilish features.

    For people who don't know d&d, she is just an elf lady with horns cause druids.

    Im not saying the character isn't great, im saying the depiction was bad, for each his own.

  8. #108
    Tiefling is not the same as a half-fiend. In many cases, they are not the direct offspring of fiend and mortal. In addition, a tiefling doesn't NEED to have a fiend/demon/devil ancestor, they can have other origins and are still called tieflings.

    I suggest additional material than 5th edition because 5th summarizes a lot of information.
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    The official art does, unless there is others who don't.
    The "official art" does not encompass all tieflings...seeing as they don't show the other horn types mentioned in the rulebook. Even if you go strictly by RAW...the rules do not state anywhere that the horns must start at the forehead.

    no, as the movie is not faithful to both.
    Both of your tieflings have eyes that are not one solid color... so even the "official art" doesn't strictly follow the rules.
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    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  10. #110
    Man, I can't believe how many threads just get tossed down a pit because people can't just see an opinion about a preference and have a different opinion. Instead we get literally pages of folks trying to prove or disprove the authenticity of a tiefling characters physical attributes.

    I guess there's nothing else to discuss about the movie, so may as well.
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  11. #111
    This is how tieflings originally looked like;






  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    The official art does, unless there is others who don't.



    no, as the movie is not faithful to both.

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    Nope, the general public of dungeons and dragons and common media about then depict then with red-ish colors, or with skin from different colors, with inhuman eyes and other devilish features.

    For people who don't know d&d, she is just an elf lady with horns cause druids.

    Im not saying the character isn't great, im saying the depiction was bad, for each his own.
    The general dnd community picks and chooses what they want from various editions I don't really care what 5e says Tieflings are when I'm playing 3.5 or pathfinder or 2e. Get the fuck over it she's clearly a Tiefling.

  13. #113
    I like how you're depicting "the general community" to be "people who are solely familiar with 5e" as if D&D hasn't been around for like 50 years and 4 previous editions prior to the current one.

    I've always pictured tieflings like the first picture in Corvus's post, because, guess what, that's what they looked like in the edition I started playing in. I didn't exclude the idea that they could be red-skinned, but that being the norm never once crossed my mind. Hell, I've played plenty of tieflings and never once had red skin.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    This is how tieflings originally looked like;

    That's what they look like in the manual I have. I don't even know what they changed about Tieflings since, nor do I really care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    The "official art" does not encompass all tieflings..
    They don't, but they show the most common ones, the ones people see and the ones they have the image off.

    Both of your tieflings have eyes that are not one solid color... so even the "official art" doesn't strictly follow the rules.
    both the tieflings i show did not have normal human eyes, they also have, the skin color and horns, they are the image of what people think when someone say "tiefling".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The general dnd community picks and chooses what they want from various editions I don't really care what 5e says Tieflings are when I'm playing 3.5 or pathfinder or 2e. Get the fuck over it she's clearly a Tiefling.
    And if i don't get the fuck over it, what the fuck are you going to fucking do?

    Those guys, lmao, im going to keep saying its a shit depiction, no matter what you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I like how you're depicting "the general community" to be "people who are solely familiar with 5e" as if D&D hasn't been around for like 50 years and 4 previous editions prior to the current one.
    >implying the red skin tiefling is something that only came up in 5e
    >implying the popularity of D&D today due to 5e isn't bigger with a wilder community than before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    >implying the red skin tiefling is something that only came up in 5e
    >implying the popularity of D&D today due to 5e isn't bigger with a wilder community than before
    The funny thing is, the most recognized depiction is basically driven by mainstream pop culture. If the movie ends up having the most popular version of a Tiefling we see, then that's the one most people will end up recognizing.

    Just like how most people will think of Stranger Things when they hear the word 'Demogorgon', and not the classic or 5e depictions of this creature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    And if i don't get the fuck over it, what the fuck are you going to fucking do?

    Those guys, lmao, im going to keep saying its a shit depiction, no matter what you say.
    Well as to what I'll do, I'll be very happy you are nowhere near my table trying to dictate to others what X is and what it has to look like.

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    Hmf...the movie looks fun. If direction and script proves it out, I'm sure no one will care about the minor details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    That's what they look like in the manual I have. I don't even know what they changed about Tieflings since, nor do I really care.
    4E changed tieflings from "any humanoid that has a fiend (ANY evil outsider, even divine ones) a couple of steps back in the family tree) to human lineages that made a pact with Asmodeus. 4E lore is by far the largest break with D&D lore that ever existed (well, Die Vecna Die might be worse) and so most people chose to ignore it. In 5E as a compromise the 4E origin was kept as an option. Other official settings have their own versions of tieflings; Eberron tieflings can be the result of pacts but often are the result of evil planar influence affected a fetus.
    Tieflings have been described with such a massive variety of traits from Planescape in AD&D to Races of Faerun in 3E to their own little splatbook in 4E (that gave them insane variety in shape).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Hmf...the movie looks fun. If direction and script proves it out, I'm sure no one will care about the minor details.
    The minor details will most likely end up new rules in a UA or even in the appendix of a proper adventure book using hooks from the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The minor details will most likely end up new rules in a UA or even in the appendix of a proper adventure book using hooks from the movie.
    Yep. D&D has been so vastly influenced by the people that play it.

    It's worth remembering that the world this movie takes place on, Toril (aka The Forgotten Realms), was nothing more than someone's childhood stories that they then turned into their homebrewed campaign that they then sold to TSR and it was made into an "official" setting.

    The whole point of D&D is YOUR imagination, the source material is only there to help you along.

    So if Syegfryed wants to believe she's not a tiefling because it doesn't match his personal idea of what a tiefling should look like, that's fine. He can miss out on all the fun the rest of us will be having because we recognize that D&D is whatever the hell the writer/DM wants it to be.

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