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    Dragonflight Alpha - Dracthyr Soar Racial Changes, Hunter and Evoker Talent Changes

    Dragonflight Alpha - Dracthyr Soar Racial Changes
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Greetings Dragonriders and Dracthyr!

    With the next alpha build, we’re making a change to Soar for Dracthyr that reduces their maximum speed from (roughly) 930% to 640%. The maximum speed for Dragon Isles Drakes is unchanged. This only applies to the Dracthyr Soar racial ability.

    In the Dragon Isles, all characters of all races are on similar footing in regards to their ability to traverse the terrain because everyone can summon a Dragon Isles Drake. However, this isn’t the case in other areas of the game where flying mounts are the mainstay of travel. In Eastern Kingdoms, Soar is currently over twice as fast as Epic Flying which travels at 410% speed. The result is that Dracthyr have a drastic efficiency advantage over characters of other races when doing non-Dragon Isles content, whether that’s Chromie Time quests, clearing old raids for transmog, pet battling, etc.

    Soar is important to the identity of Dracthyr. From the outset of the design process we knew that Dracthyr had to be able to fly in some form, even if we didn’t know the specifics until later. But, Soar is also a Racial ability, and was never intended to be a massive efficiency or performance improvement over other races. These two goals are somewhat in conflict: Make Soar fun and fulfill the fantasy of being a flying creature, but don’t give one race an outsized advantage across large swathes of the game.

    What we’ve found while playtesting these changes internally is that the speed change didn’t diminish the fun of the locomotion mechanics. The engaging control system, gameplay of conserving momentum, and challenge of navigating obstacles, are all still present, while also rewarding skillful use of Soar with being able to travel faster than Epic flying mounts. This hits both of the goals nicely – Dracthyr can engage in the dynamic, immersive locomotion of dragonriding, but aren’t able to blitz across a continent in half the time as other characters.

    The Alpha period is time for experimentation, testing, and learning, and that often leads to change. Due to Soar being an evergreen feature of the Dracthyr race, we feel that reducing the top speed is necessary for the long-term health of the game. Thank you for your passion, feedback, and understanding.

    See you in Azeroth!

    Dragonflight Alpha - Evoker Talent Changes
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Greetings and well met, Evokers! Some big changes are coming to the Devastation specialization talent tree in the next Alpha build, and I wanted to talk through some of the philosophy behind them and how your feedback is helping to shape the tree. Please note that this is not an exhaustive list of every change, and more will be changed than just what is listed here. That said, let’s dive in!

    With the current Devastation tree, a few things stood out to us amongst the discourse here and in other parts of the community. Namely:

    • The tree strongly signals that there is a “Red dragonflight build” on the left, and a separate “Blue dragonflight build” on the right.
    • Effects that scale with empower level, such as Power Swell and Tyranny, remove gameplay by indicating that it is always correct to fully empower your spells.
    • Feed the Flames & Everburning Flame are an awkward combination.
    • Scarlet Adaptation is having a larger impact than intended on builds.
    • Blue-focused single-target builds don’t flow as well as they could.

    To dig in a little deeper to each of these, let’s go through them one by one.

    The tree strongly signals that there is a “Red dragonflight build” on the left, and a separate “Blue dragonflight build” on the right.
    Having thematic groupings on either side is a great introduction to the talent tree. It resonates as something you would expect for the specialization, and makes it easier to know where to look for modifiers to certain abilities. However, Devastation utilizes both Red and Blue magic, and the current tree isn’t celebrating that theme well enough. Builds that use both types of magic should be the norm, with all-Red or all-Blue being much more niche. To make using both colors more effective, we’ve adjusted many talents’ locations or function, as well as added new nodes. A few examples:

    • Honed Aggression now affects both Azure Strike and Living Flame, increasing their damage by 5% per rank.
    • Catalyze is a new, 1-rank passive on the left side of the tree. “While channeling Disintegrate your Fire Breath on the target deals damage 100% more often.”
    • Iridescence is a new, 1-rank passive at the bottom of the right side of the tree. “Casting an empower spell increases the damage of your next 2 spells of the same color by 15% within 10 sec.”

    Effects that scale with empower level, such as Power Swell and Tyranny, remove gameplay by indicating that it is always correct to fully empower your spells.
    We’re excited about the possibilities of empower spells and have experimented internally with many varied effects, including Power Swell. As a broad concept, attaching more effects to empower spells seems cool – lean into empower levels even more! What we’ve seen on Alpha, though, is that having even small effects get linearly better with empower level, without situational considerations to change up decision making, detracts too much from core empower gameplay. We see (and share) the excitement for choosing talents that make empower spells better, so Power Swell is being adjusted to not disrupt the moment-to-moment gameplay decisions of empower spell level.

    • Power Swell is now a 2-rank node that reads, “Empower spells increase your Essence regeneration rate by 50% for 2 sec or 4 sec [based on talent rank].”

    Feed the Flames & Everburning Flame are an awkward combination.
    Taken together, these two talents quickly push Devastation into a space of having Fire Breath off cooldown for a length of time while an existing Fire Breath damage over time effect gets extended. That said, both talents offer interesting potential gameplay and impact builds in different ways. They will now be in a choice node against each other, and Feed the Flames is being redesigned to fit into more builds:

    • Feed the Flames now triggers whenever you consume an Essence Burst effect, instead of whenever Pyre is cast.
    • Everburning Flame now triggers from all Red damage spells, instead of only Pyre and Living Flame.
      • This means that damage from Firestorm will extend Fire Breath. Damage from Ruby Embers will continue to not trigger Everburning Flame, and Fire Breath will not extend itself.

    Scarlet Adaptation is having a larger impact than intended on builds.
    The current value of Scarlet Adaptation causes a warping effect on how Devastation builds their talent loadouts, in particular due to the interaction with Leaping Flames – when Living Flame hits additional targets via Leaping Flames, all of the Living Flames benefit from any Scarlet Adaptation damage the Evoker has. The Leaping Flames interaction is intended, and the response to it has been one of excitement. However, it is important for there to be multiple options for how to build your character for area-of-effect damage situations.

    The intent of Scarlet Adaptation is to encourage, and reward, hybridization for both specializations. Preservation Evokers who enjoy dealing damage can easily access the node, but aren’t required to pick it up in their path to other high-power healing talents. Devastation Evokers who want to help their group with additional healing can take it to be rewarded for taking action when their group is in a dangerous situation. To better meet those goals, Scarlet Adaptation’s damage cap is being reduced to 2x Spellpower, down from its current value of 6x Spellpower.

    Blue dragonflight-focused single-target builds don’t flow as well as they could.
    Two key talents to these builds are Charged Blast and Focusing Iris, both of which have been the subject of insightful discussion and concern.

    • Charged Blast is intended to be something that can spice up single-target gameplay for those who want an additional layer of complexity within the rotation. Many of you have expressed that the current design, requiring 2 Azure Strikes before casting Charged Blast, isn’t quite hitting the mark because although it does add complexity, it doesn’t add interaction.
    • Focusing Iris is intended to be a more passive option that accomplishes similar goals as Charged Blast. However, the combination of timing an ability immediately after finishing a channeled spell, with the relatively high uptime of the debuff, makes Focusing Iris both more burdensome & less potent than it could potentially be.

    To address this, we’re combining what we feel are the best parts of both into a new ability! Charged Blast and Focusing Iris as they currently exist are being removed, and replaced with a spell called Shattering Star.

    • Shattering Star has a 15 sec cooldown, is instant cast, and does not cost Essence. “Exhale a bolt of concentrated power from your mouth for Spellfrost damage that cracks that target’s defenses, increasing the damage they take from you by 20% for 4 sec.”
    • The options in the choice node following this ability are also being redesigned:
      • Focusing Iris is a passive that increases the duration of Shattering Star’s damage taken effect by 2 sec.
      • Arcane Vigor is a passive that causes Shattering Star to generate 1 Essence.

    As always, thank you for your playtesting and feedback. We’re excited to hear how about your experiences with the Devastation tree in the next Alpha build!

    Dragonflight Alpha - Hunter Talent Changes
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Hello again, Hunters.

    We wanted to discuss some adjustments coming to your talents in a future build, and briefly mention a few thoughts.

    Class Tree
    The current design intentionally has almost all utility above the second gate, which means you have 11 points that will almost certainly be spent only on throughput choices in PvE situations. We like having a bunch of abilities located past the second gate that were previously locked to individual specs. This has also created a situation where there’s a lot of bloat of extra abilities and cooldowns that feel mandatory because they are available and likely worth pressing. The last 3 rows of the tree have been shuffled around a bit and will continue to be adjusted to try to prevent most hunters from feeling obligated to acquire multiple extra active buttons.

    • Barrage and Explosive Shot are now a choice node.
    • Stampede now replaces Chakram in the choice node vs Death Chakram.
      • Chakram has been removed from the talent tree.
    • Nesingwary’s Trapping Apparatus has been lowered to 2 points.

    Beast Mastery
    • Bloodshed and Murder of Crows is now a choice node, and is where Dire Beast previously was.
    • Dire Beast has been moved to where Murder of Crows was.
    • New Talent - Bloody Frenzy - Barbed Shot has a chance to apply a second stack of Frenzy to your pets. This is located in the second gate area.
    • Beast Cleave has been lowered to 2 points, and Beast Cleave’s duration is now 3/6 seconds depending on your rank.

    Marksmanship
    While Rapid Fire is not a required ability, we’re trying to integrate it to the tree where it would make sense. Marksmanship has very limited passive Focus generation, and Rapid Fire should ideally help with that. We want to avoid situations where you drop Steady Shot entirely while doing prolonged combat.

    • Deathblow has been made a 1-point node. Rapid Fire casts (not damage events) can now also activate this. The chance for activation is different for Aimed Shot vs Rapid Fire.
    • Razor Fragments now also works with Deathblow procs, rather than being tied solely to Trick Shots.
    • Bombardment’s design has changed - Every 6/4 (2-rank node) Arcane or Chimaera Shots causes your next Multi-Shot to grant you Trick Shots, regardless of how many targets it hits.
      • This will likely be changed to a 1-point node, or adjusted to also boost Multi-Shot damage per rank. The location of this also needs to be adjusted as you can currently select this without Multi-Shot.
    • Lone Wolf’s spot in the tree has been moved to above the first gate.
    • More things connect to Lock and Load’s talent node.
    • Some redundant node connections have been removed.
    • Legacy of the Windrunners and Serpentstalker’s Trickery node locations have been swapped.
    • Unerring Vision’s design has slightly changed to also increase critical damage while Trueshot is active.

    Survival
    Spearhead and Coordinated Assault are competing for some space in the tree. We’re hoping to identify a set of abilities to that each augments in a way that feels good, and also would prefer a design that doesn’t encourage you to stack both of them at the same time. Some adjustments are being made to these abilities to try to focus on different parts of your ability sets in a manner that lets both Coordinated Assault and Spearhead hopefully feel both distinct from each other, while still feeling powerful on their own.

    • Mongoose Bite should actually replace Raptor Strike now.
    • Predator returned to 25%, rather than 8%. This was a data error when changing from a 3 point node to a 1 point node.
    • A connection between Lunge and Frenzy Strikes has been removed to prevent a dependency problem.
    • Deadly Duo renamed Quick Shot, and redesigned. When Kill Command’s cooldown is reset, you fire a free Arcane Shot at your target.
    • Coordinated Assault is back to 2 minutes.
    • Coordinated Assault no longer modifies Carve. Instead, your pet’s special attack increases the initial damage of your next Wildfire Bomb.
      • Birds of Prey will likely be adjusted in a future build to more directly work with the design tweaks of Coordinated Assault.
    • Bonded Companion renamed Deadly Duo, and redesigned. While Coordinated Assault is active, Wildfire Bomb’s cooldown is reduced by 25/50%, Wildfire Bombs generate 5/10 Focus when thrown, and Kill Shot can be used on any target regardless of the target’s HP.
    • Coordinated Kill redesigned, and is now 2 points. While Spearhead is active, Raptor Strike and Mongoose Bite Focus Cost is reduced by 5/10, and Kill Command resets increase the duration of Spearhead by 1/2 sec.

    Rapid Fire is one of the main 2 damaging rotational skills for Marksman and has been for years.
    You can fill out the talent tree without ever selecting Rapid Fire if you choose to. It may not be the best way to play, but you could do it. That’s all the original post was referring to.
    Last edited by chaud; 2022-07-30 at 04:59 AM.

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    Dragonriding is by far one of the most popular additions coming to WoW in Dragonflight by all accounts. The odds of them NOT adding it to old world content due to popular demand is low to say the least. This change seems poorly thought out to me.

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    I wonder sometimes. Does blizzard intentionaly stir the waters with bad ideas or are they really this dumb?

    Third and honestly very probable option would be: "Do they really hate their playerbase?"
    Last edited by Trenbolone; 2022-07-30 at 06:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trenbolone View Post
    I wonder sometimes. Does blizzard intentionaly stir the waters with bad ideas or are they really this dumb?

    Third and honestly very probable option would be: "Do they really hate their playerbase?"
    I've been asking myself the same thing. I don't like being overly negative but so many changes I find poor design choices more recently that I just don't understand. My friends have been quitting left and right and I get why. It stops being fun and not only that, but they make changes that make you feel bad. This is alpha, but they do this kind of thing live, make you feel weaker, make you hit walls etc
    I don't know, I just think they are indeed all new and all the knowledge and understanding they should have as a company is gone. So it's most likely incompence based on lack of experience and lack of capacity of understanding humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostSinclair View Post
    Dragonriding is by far one of the most popular additions coming to WoW in Dragonflight by all accounts. The odds of them NOT adding it to old world content due to popular demand is low to say the least. This change seems poorly thought out to me.
    No doubt they will add it to old world. As part of patch 10.2.5 to show they are listening to player feedback...

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    They are just reducing it now to increase it later when they add it to the old world for everyone. So this is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by javierdsv View Post
    They are just reducing it now to increase it later when they add it to the old world for everyone. So this is pointless.
    I would agree with them if there was a sizeable portion of the playerbase complaining, but Ive not seen a single person say anything about this? Seems pointless and unnecessary.

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    Soar needed the stupid cooldown to be reduced as far as I see it...
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

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    Please for fuck sakes Blizzard, listen to the community on this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by javierdsv View Post
    They are just reducing it now to increase it later when they add it to the old world for everyone. So this is pointless.

    This isn't about Dragonriding, it is about the ability to fly as a Dracthyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nederbelg View Post
    This isn't about Dragonriding, it is about the ability to fly as a Dracthyr.
    Which is already pointlessly weak compared to real Dragonriding, which leads to the weird restriction of an elite dragon not being as good at flying as a random dragon you find in the Waking Shores.

    The soar racial should have been buffed to be a regular Dragonriding mount with all the same benefits, not nerfed to be a slightly faster option of the old deprecated version of flying.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Well that class is already ridiculously developed compared to the rest... It feels so sad to watch this new class, that has entirely new types of combat mechanics, way more QoL additions and they also get to dragonride in places where other classes can't, but not being able to reroll to it, because blizzards adamantly resists the achievement community suggestions to make everything BoA or bring paid class change service..
    I mean, if I was planning to roll this class in DF, then this change would infuriate me and I'd be storming the forums, but since I'm not, it's just a feeling of Wow, evokers are just ten times cooler than my class instead of fifteen times Schadenfreude FTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Janitor View Post
    Soar needed the stupid cooldown to be reduced as far as I see it...
    This. The Drachtyr being able to use soar in the old world was one of the few things I as an unsubbed player thought was actually cool about DF. Then I found out it had a 5min CD and laughed at how typical that was. Now they're further kneecapping it instead of just leaning into the fun aspect of it.

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    Why not just let the dragon riding mounts be accessible in the rest of the game? Makes way more sense than removing that access from the Dracthyr.

    Speeding at 930% across the old content is fun. What's not fun is allowing old flying mounts to be permanently stationary in the air, it makes the game feel like an editor rather than an immersive world with physics.

    Quote Originally Posted by javierdsv View Post
    They are just reducing it now to increase it later when they add it to the old world for everyone. So this is pointless.
    Likely. But they're not saying anything of the sort. They're using entirely different reasons.
    Last edited by Iain; 2022-07-30 at 09:26 AM.

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    And once again absolutely nothing for priest. It's looking to be Legion + BfA all over again, with silence for 5 years. What a joke of a company.

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    With the next alpha build, we’re making a change to Soar for Dracthyr that reduces their maximum speed from (roughly) 930% to 640%.
    Can't wait for the dragonriding haters to use this an excuse to hate on it even more.

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    While I am not a big fan of fad responses, but this truly is a "fun detected" moment.

    Who the heck gives a damn that some dragon race can "fly" 2.5x faster in the old content once per 5 mins, given its inherent restrictions already. You have armies of bots picking herbs in druid flight form, but apparently this is the problem now.

    If their intent is PvP or something, they can limit it there. But a guy doing a rush through tunnels in Dun Modr challenge or some gal who wants to see how hard and fast she can go from Hyjal or Stormpeaks is not an issue.
    All my ignores are permanently filtered out and invisible to me. Responding to my posts with nonsense or insults is pointless, you're likely already invisible and if not - 3 clicks away. One ignore is much better than 3 pages of trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFLover View Post
    Well that class is already ridiculously developed compared to the rest... It feels so sad to watch this new class, that has entirely new types of combat mechanics, way more QoL additions and they also get to dragonride in places where other classes can't, but not being able to reroll to it, because blizzards adamantly resists the achievement community suggestions to make everything BoA or bring paid class change service..
    I mean, if I was planning to roll this class in DF, then this change would infuriate me and I'd be storming the forums, but since I'm not, it's just a feeling of Wow, evokers are just ten times cooler than my class instead of fifteen times Schadenfreude FTW
    Damn, everything wrong in modern gaming jam packed in one paragraph. You truly are a shining specimen.

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    Time and time again Blizzard goes out of their way to limit the amount of fun players can have... it's such a stupid decision made even worse by their asinine reasoning. Like anyone gives a shit if Timmy reaches a pet battle or old raid before others

    Druids have had a MASSIVE advantage over everyone else for years and they didn't care about that either.

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    Yeah being able to still fly twice as fast as everyone else is such a hardship. Poor Dracthyr.

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