Plant-based food is woke?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

What I wonder is why companies trying to sell plant/insect based stuff insist on calling it a variation of meat or sausage or burger etc. Come up with an original description, not some kind of substitute. People don't want substitutes, at least I don't.

Obviously people do want the substitutes though... "impossible meat" is big business

[Nymrohd]

Which will be lost on me. If I drink coffee I want the real thing and not something grain based. Milk the same thing. And if you sell me a burger I want an animal to have died for it.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the products itself. I'm happy for lactose intolerant or vegetarian people to have an alternative. Personally I love cheese and eat more of it than meat. And I will try insect based food too and if it is any good maybe it can even replace meat in my diet. But as long as it is called meat I rather get the real thing.

Hope that makes sense in a way :-)

The thing is, we don't really have words for those products. We could call water/fat emulsions that tend to be white and are produced from nut fats something other than milk I suppose but what would that be? More importantly an extremely common ingredient that is similarly an oil-in-water emulsion has been called milk for millenia, coconut milk (because it looks like it and serves similar purposes in cooking). What words means changes over the years after all and industry terms are far more political than scientific.

What is a burger? It comes from the term "Hamburg Steak" which is a ground meat patty preparation that supposedly originated in Hamburg and was popularized by German expatriates. Can we call meat patties that are dissimilar to the original preparation burgers (do you eat your burger medium rare btw)? I suppose we could just call them patties which would be much more accurate. Heck most of the burgers people eat in the world have more soy than meat anyway. And plant based patties served in a similar manner have been common for as long if not longer than meat-based ones; some form of falafel or ground chickpea patties has existed in one form or the other in the Mediterranean and the Levant well before anyone lived in Hamburg.

I get what you are saying and I get the instinct to be irritated in such cases but it's something you should reconsider. Our brains are lazy that way and don't like things being redefined.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Also this thread was basically dead, I necro'd it because chick-fil-a is now offering their signature sandwiches with cauliflower as the chicken substitute. And as we all know the dmeographic of chick-fil-a, the conservatives are FURIOUS that Chick-fil-a is going "woke". But I have little sympathy. You made your bed standing against women's rights and for bigotry. Now you get to deal with the crowd you attracted and all of their special snowflake eternally triggered selves.

[Aurgjelme]

If you think choosing a ultra processed "meat replacement", over a piece of meat is a healthier choice then you really are dumb.

I've had to go on a almost pure meat and vegetable diet because of food allergies the last half year, and I've never felt better.
Not to mention that the allergies have gone away. Allergies I've developed over almost 40 years from eating processed food and grains.

Saying that meat replacement is woke is just stupid though, its a lifestyle choice. And can be chosen for a myriad of reasons.

[mbit2]

no, I'm looking at actual cases here and the fact and the matter is - those ingredients are on the labels NOT because someone is deliberately putting whatever where it doesn't need to be, but because THERE ARE TRACE AMMOUNTS OF IT. they are legally required to do so because of your so called extreme cases.

also, spoken like a person who had only had no personal experience of an allergic reaction, even of the "milder" variety.

i was talking about a product where its actually an ingredient and not a possible trace amount cause the factory uses it elsewhere. So your replies are literally irrelevant to my posts. Maybe dont jump in blind trying to roleplay smart.

As for the latter- My friend&classmates literally ignored their allergies to eat what they want even if they get stomach problems and shit their soul out on toilet. You just trying to protect your ego with " he doesnt agree with me and it cant be me who is wrong so lets blame him".

[Elegiac]

i was talking about a product where its actually an ingredient

In which case they're required to label it as an ingredient and people with chitin allergies can just avoid it.

Remind me what you think your point is?

[mbit2]

In which case they're required to label it as an ingredient and people with chitin allergies can just avoid it.

Remind me what you think your point is?

You could have read it just 2 posts ago but you decided to reply to my last post out of context. Your post is just a lazy shitpost.

[Elegiac]

You could have read it just 2 posts ago but you decided to reply to my last post out of context. Your post is just a lazy shitpost.

Oh, you mean your totally real and not at all made up anecdote about how people will just ignore their allergies therefore this one ingredient in particular is a bridge too far?

That's not a point, that's you flailing in an effort to rationalize you getting the squicks over bug parts in foods you are entirely capable of avoiding.

[mbit2]

Oh, you mean your totally real and not at all made up anecdote about how people will just ignore their allergies therefore this one ingredient in particular is a bridge too far?

That's not a point, that's you flailing in an effort to rationalize you getting the squicks over bug parts in foods you are entirely capable of avoiding.

Nope try again. That was just a reply to "trace ammounts" but not what was said 2 posts (now 3) ago.

[Elegiac]

Nope try again. That was just a reply to "trace ammounts" but not what was said 2 posts (now 3) ago.

Well then it's convenient that what I said applies to that and every post of yours in this thread.

Your arguments do not make sense at all; you're using people with allergies as a crutch to justify your personal distaste.

[Witchblade77]

In which case they're required to label it as an ingredient and people with chitin allergies can just avoid it.

Remind me what you think your point is?

something something EU approved mealworms for human consumption and suddenly we are all triggering chitin allergies, even though they are primarily triggered through inhalation, its all but impossible to avoid as chitin is naturally present in the air, and from the studies I was able to find, those allergies only really develop from overexposure (think workers at the factory that processes crabs, for example) so the solution is not to have the conniptions about using mealworms in some products (like pasta) as an extra source of protein (which is literally all it is, its no different from using soy beans as a source of added protein in things like pasta - which btw are ALSO a potential allergen), but maybe I don't know.. fight for use of PPE by the workers who are at higher risk of developing said allergies? maybe???

but what do I know, I'm only pretending to be smart or something.

P.S. the funniest thing is that mealworms are not even plant based. and as such, COMPLETELY irrelevant to this thread.

[Trunksee]

Plant based food sounds all well and good that it protects animals and all but it really doesn't. It protects very few animals while killing so many others indirectly that just aren't as cute. Soy is probably the most damaging crop that can be grown in areas its not natural to. Natural crop live stock cycling is so much better for the environment and there are many farms out there doing these things. Soy strips the land of so many resources and the land mass needed is so much higher than cycling foods. Also if everyone hasnt noticed the ultra rich are already buying up all the farmland and not even using it right now.

[Elder Millennial]

sip

This newfound concern about chitin allergies is legit funny to me.