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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    You're making the same error that governments make about drugs: If drugs are a problem go after those that are pushing the drug/sales (guilds), not those who are users.
    it's more analogous to blizz being the ones who created the drug itself, and selectively enforcing rules around it (if at all). blizz created the token, allowed token to be converted into b.net balance (worst mistake blizz ever made), then all but incentivized sales by designing shadowlands around them when they saw how boost communities had taken off during BFA.

    you really mean to tell me that an expansion that has
    -overtuned raids
    -loot drops significantly lowered from all sources
    -overtuned m+ dungeons
    -a pvp ranking system completely plagued by boosters

    was all just a neat little coincidence? blizz was printing a ton of money at the start of SL, don't get me started on covenants making a lot of people reroll the same class just to try out different playstyles. that's why i dont get blizz going after communities now when they have gone out of their way to create the perfect game for boosting communities and have rarely if ever bothered to enforce its own ToS against them.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Well that's interesting. Surprised Discord stepped in and did anything.
    It won't matter because

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    will never replace websites
    just make a website, ezpz, no one can do shit to you.
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  3. #123
    I think it's pretty simple, boosting communities use a lot of in-game bots. Discord is a large and legally bound company. If Blizzard went to them and said "here's proof that these people are using bots, stop them or we'll sue you" then not much Discord can do.

  4. #124
    Your opinion doesn't matter in the slightest.

    Blizzard's and Discord's do. They decided to do this. It happened. You'll just have to get over it (and find some other way to get people to play the game for you in the process).

  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exkrementor View Post
    This really is a dystopian virtual nightmare. 2 companies not related to one another decided to fuck some people over because they didnt like them and there is nothing these people can do about it.
    Blizzard deems it cheating and Discord doesn't outline what a "cheat" is. Just because it doesn't fit your definition doesn't mean it isn't something that falls into those categories when talking about things. This isn't a dystopian nightamre. They are not screwing someone over just because they didn't like them. This isn't even the first time a company has done something like this. Nintendo routinely has things taken down. YouTube is always taking things down. Even Discord responds to copyright claims.

    It is always strange when people see Blizzard do something then act as if they are the first and some new evil has been unleashed on the world because of it.
    "Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
    You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Blizzard deems it cheating and Discord doesn't outline what a "cheat" is. Just because it doesn't fit your definition doesn't mean it isn't something that falls into those categories when talking about things. This isn't a dystopian nightamre. They are not screwing someone over just because they didn't like them. This isn't even the first time a company has done something like this. Nintendo routinely has things taken down. YouTube is always taking things down. Even Discord responds to copyright claims.

    It is always strange when people see Blizzard do something then act as if they are the first and some new evil has been unleashed on the world because of it.
    Can you imagine being so entitled and sheltered that you think not being able to discuss cheating in a video game on a chat program is what you consider a DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMARE?
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    They don't own Discord. The deal failed.
    ...no it didn't? It's just not expected to close until next year.

    Literally takes 5 seconds to Google this.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by TomBrokovski View Post
    it's more analogous to blizz being the ones who created the drug itself, and selectively enforcing rules around it (if at all). blizz created the token, allowed token to be converted into b.net balance (worst mistake blizz ever made), then all but incentivized sales by designing shadowlands around them when they saw how boost communities had taken off during BFA.

    you really mean to tell me that an expansion that has
    -overtuned raids
    -loot drops significantly lowered from all sources
    -overtuned m+ dungeons
    -a pvp ranking system completely plagued by boosters

    was all just a neat little coincidence? blizz was printing a ton of money at the start of SL, don't get me started on covenants making a lot of people reroll the same class just to try out different playstyles. that's why i dont get blizz going after communities now when they have gone out of their way to create the perfect game for boosting communities and have rarely if ever bothered to enforce its own ToS against them.
    Of all the shitty arguments players make about this game, blaming literally everything that the developers do or don't do on the fucking WoW token is -- by a country mile -- the worst. Congratulations, you figured out capitalism exists. The existence of capitalism does not mean that every bad decision the developers ever make is because they're being manipulated by some evil corporate entity hellbent on ensuring maximum profits at all costs.

    Lay off the Bellular/Asmongold videos.

  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myzou View Post
    ...no it didn't? It's just not expected to close until next year. Literally takes 5 seconds to Google this.
    I'm pretty sure you are confusing Microsoft buying Activision-Blizzard and Microsoft offering to buy Discord. No one but Discord owns Discord currently.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/dis...sj-2021-04-20/
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    You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Myzou View Post
    ...no it didn't? It's just not expected to close until next year.

    Literally takes 5 seconds to Google this.
    Ok.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/21...in-the-company

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/disc...of-offers.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord

    The same month, Bloomberg News and The Wall Street Journal reported that several companies were looking to purchase Discord, with Microsoft named as the likely lead buyer at a value estimated at $10 billion. However, they ended talks with Microsoft, opting to stay independent. Instead, Discord launched another round of investment in April 2021. Among those investing into the company was Sony Interactive Entertainment; the company stated that it intended to integrate a portion of Discord's services into the PlayStation Network by 2022.

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    Ha. Get fucked. xD

  12. #132
    Lmao get fucked boosters

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    It won't but it'll make the game a proper mmo again with no advantage to the whales, as it has been proven whales are always bad for the long term health of any game, epsecially one that already has a rather expensive monthly fee and box price to just get into the game.
    Please tell me you're joking. A "rather expensive monthly fee." You mean a fee that hasn't gone up in nearly 20 years. Dude, you can't even go to the movies and get a popcorn and soda for $15. And that's just for a few hours of entertainment.

  14. #134
    Discord has gotten too big. Time is ripe for a replacement

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    Discord has gotten too big. Time is ripe for a replacement
    Telegram seems to be making progress on the whole "unmoderated free speech" front. What this actually means is that it's a playground for scam artists; ie, a perfect platform for boosters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kneehidude View Post
    Please tell me you're joking. A "rather expensive monthly fee." You mean a fee that hasn't gone up in nearly 20 years. Dude, you can't even go to the movies and get a popcorn and soda for $15. And that's just for a few hours of entertainment.
    Dude you're replying to is from Canada and apparently the USD to CAD ratio is quite bad for Canadians, to the extent that a wow sub is quite a lot more expensive for them relative to what it is for Americans. This is if I've understood it correctly.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Exkrementor View Post
    The boosting got out of hand and it ruined the game but boosting is none of the above. You simply sell your time to get players through content they couldnt do themselves. Its a service, not a hack, cheat or exploit.

    This really is a dystopian virtual nightmare. 2 companies not related to one another decided to fuck some people over because they didnt like them and there is nothing these people can do about it.
    Lol. Get over yourself just a little. They are both private companies and can do what they like. You are free to not use their services.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by kneehidude View Post
    Please tell me you're joking. A "rather expensive monthly fee." You mean a fee that hasn't gone up in nearly 20 years. Dude, you can't even go to the movies and get a popcorn and soda for $15. And that's just for a few hours of entertainment.
    "Expensive" is a matter of opinion.

    I have a friend, she has a 17 year old daughter, the daughter's lunchbox broke and she said she needs a new one, I suggested she get a stainless steel bento box (she likes bento boxes) because that shit will last forever, she told me it was too expensive, they are like $25 - $50, so I bought it for her. That's fucking nothing to me but to her $50 is expensive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    And that's fine. Boosting isn't forbidden, only boosting communities are (cross-server organisations who are doing it on an industrial scale).
    Used it to buy a Tmog mount.

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  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Somic View Post
    Selling boosts for money is specifically against the rules, do you need me to link it to you honey?

    Here I’ll link it for you. Policy change here:

    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...y-2022/1176836

    And here is their rules for real money services

    https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/269874

    Any questions?
    Sure. Still confused as to how any of that is a crack, cheat, or hack. It isnt any of thise things. And those are the things Discord says you can be banned for. So, since the thing were doing wasnt any of those things… why were they banned again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixef View Post
    These community Discords did NOT get banned because:

    - They were offering boosting services.
    - They were cheating.

    These were banned BECAUSE:

    - They were offering escrow services (i.e. organizing cross-realm boosts, specifically, transferring gold from buyers to boosters between realms)

    Hope this helped.
    And heres the rub. This makes more sense, but… Discord shouldnt give a fuck. Its not Discord’s problem and they arent liable for what their users post, any more than Facebook, Twitter, et al, are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerph- View Post
    Dude you're replying to is from Canada and apparently the USD to CAD ratio is quite bad for Canadians, to the extent that a wow sub is quite a lot more expensive for them relative to what it is for Americans. This is if I've understood it correctly.
    Yeah its currently like .82c to the USD, and on top of that, there are more taxes and fees on stuff like this in CAN. I think the Canadians pay something like 19$ USD equiv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Can you imagine being so entitled and sheltered that you think not being able to discuss cheating in a video game on a chat program is what you consider a DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMARE?
    Its prerty dystopian. Cheating in a video game is not breaking a law. Its not criminal activity (in most cases, at least). The mere fact that Discord is getting involved in this at all is pretty protofascist. Also because they just take the word of, or set the standard at whatever the other company sys, not any real legal definition. Like.. “Blizzard told us you cheated at their game, so we’re banning you here.” Shit like that is enough to ensure ill never use their software ever again.

    So like… im not allowed to talk about things with my friends that arent illegal or criminal… because another, totally different company got butthurt? Fuck that noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    All you are doing is describing how someone could evade such action. You do realize that the need for a provider to do those things means that Blizzard, or any other entity, can act against any website. It isn't like this is anything new because DMCA strikes and copyright infringement have been around on the internet for years. These type of disputes even pre-date the internet though in obviously different forms.
    I hear hosts outside the US are totally behilden to the DMCA….owait, no.
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