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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Sure. Still confused as to how any of that is a crack, cheat, or hack. It isnt any of thise things. And those are the things Discord says you can be banned for. So, since the thing were doing wasnt any of those things… why were they banned again?
    Discord gave selling hacks as the reason. There is no definition of what hacks, cheat, crack, or anything else encompases so you can't honestly say it doesn't full under that category. It doesn't matter if cheating in a video game is not breaking a low, criminal activity, or anything else. It isn't dystopian or protofacist. It is Discord policing their own platform with the rules they see fit to use.

    It is no different then when MMO-Champion censors talk of certain topics like cheats, hacks, and etc. No one claims that MMO-Champion moderators are heralding a dystopian future or starting a incubating facism. If things like that ensures you'll never use Discord or Blizzard software again then why are you here as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    I hear hosts outside the US are totally behilden to the DMCA….owait, no.
    Some are since international treaties and agreements exist. They also want favorable treatment for when their countries IP is at risk. Do all countries recongize things? Of course not.
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  2. #142
    I just want to start off by saying that your absolutely olympic level mental gymnastics and goalpost moving skills have not gone unnoticed. Gold medalist shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Discord gave selling hacks as the reason. There is no definition of what hacks, cheat, crack, or anything else encompases
    Uhh.... lolwhut? This is the kind of statement that shows that we are living in two totally separate realities and that communication isn't possible because youre apparently in a universe where the sky is chalk white and the sun spins around the Earth.

    There are ABSOLUTELY definitions for those things.

    so you can't honestly say it doesn't full under that category. It doesn't matter if cheating in a video game is not breaking a low, criminal activity, or anything else. It isn't dystopian or protofacist. It is Discord policing their own platform with the rules they see fit to use.
    Except that isn't what it is. Its Discord (a company that should be focused on its OWN users, monetary concerns, and shareholders) banning people on the say-so of another company that they have NOTHING to do with. Discord exists to serve its users and make its shareholders money. This does neither of those things.

    It is no different then when MMO-Champion censors talk of certain topics like cheats, hacks, and etc. No one claims that MMO-Champion moderators are heralding a dystopian future or starting a incubating facism.
    Yes, yes people do constantly rail against MMO-Champ's censorship. Ive done so myself. And won. Both in having them retract their bans and having them legally sanctioned by the EU for violating EU law. Three times. Though at the time they were owned by Curse and i think that when they changed owners that probably got wiped from their record. Not sure how EU law works on that. So... yeah, separate realities.

    If things like that ensures you'll never use Discord or Blizzard software again then why are you here as well?
    So here i am, looking around for the "Blizzard and Discord software users only" tag on this website. I cant find it... because its not fucking there.

    Its almost like there are... OTHER topics being discussed here? Weird, huh? You might find most of my posts in the Computer Hardware forum. Which has literally nothing to do with WoW or Discord.

    I haven't played anything ActiBlizz in 5 years. And i wont, as the company continues to spiral into being a literal emobdiment of greed destroying a formerly good company. I almost never use Discord, because all of its features other than VOIP are utterly useless to me, since their messaging system is inferoir to 15 year old forum software. When i need to voice chat with people, i use other software, because the sound quality is better. I only fire up Discord when the group im joining is already invested in it. Haven't even installed the app since i swapped my daily driver out for a new machine 5 months ago. Thats how little i already used it. So yeah, Discord basically choosing to operate at the behest of companies that it has nothing to do with, and censoring completely legal conversations - particularly when letting people chat with their friends is the sole reason for the product to exist (That literally IS their product) is enough to tell me i dont want to do business with them. I dont need Big Bro Discord looking over my shoulder.

    Some are since international treaties and agreements exist. They also want favorable treatment for when their countries IP is at risk. Do all countries recongize things? Of course not.
    Yeah, and hosts of the kind of websites we're talking about here will not host their site in a country that will comply with the DMCA in the first place, so trying desprately to pretend that there are countries that do is somehow relevant is kinda funny. Here we are, 20 years on, and TPB is still there, despite the big bad DMCA and the US trying to stamp it out with all their might.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Sure. Still confused as to how any of that is a crack, cheat, or hack. It isnt any of thise things. And those are the things Discord says you can be banned for. So, since the thing were doing wasnt any of those things… why were they banned again?

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    And heres the rub. This makes more sense, but… Discord shouldnt give a fuck. Its not Discord’s problem and they arent liable for what their users post, any more than Facebook, Twitter, et al, are.

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    Yeah its currently like .82c to the USD, and on top of that, there are more taxes and fees on stuff like this in CAN. I think the Canadians pay something like 19$ USD equiv.

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    Its prerty dystopian. Cheating in a video game is not breaking a law. Its not criminal activity (in most cases, at least). The mere fact that Discord is getting involved in this at all is pretty protofascist. Also because they just take the word of, or set the standard at whatever the other company sys, not any real legal definition. Like.. “Blizzard told us you cheated at their game, so we’re banning you here.” Shit like that is enough to ensure ill never use their software ever again.

    So like… im not allowed to talk about things with my friends that arent illegal or criminal… because another, totally different company got butthurt? Fuck that noise.

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    I hear hosts outside the US are totally behilden to the DMCA….owait, no.
    Man, some of you guys are absurd. Truly.

    Discord is a company that primarily revolves around the facilitation of communication between video game communities. Is it that hard to understand that they see it as being in their own best interests to keep the makers of those games on side?

    Discord don't allow the discussion of cheating in videogames. Blizzard sets the rules in WoW. Escrow boosting communities are breaking those rules. Discord bans escrow communities.

    It's not even hard to follow.

    Companies whose interests are somewhat aligned, or even share the same sphere of influence, frequently collaborate and cooperate in many walks of life. This isn't unusual or even uncommon. Don't go making up weird narratives about dystopian universes because gaming-aligned services agree with each other. Discord is a private entity, Blizzard are a private entity, and both of them feel like they benefit from whatever this move is. There is nothing dystopian, nor even weird, about that. Your option is to move on and not use them.
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  4. #144
    Next step: crack down on Top Guilds Discord servers. The same is happening there.

    Bet they won't though.
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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhyroth View Post
    Next step: crack down on Top Guilds Discord servers. The same is happening there.

    Bet they won't though.
    Of course not; those guilds don't operate in the same way as multi-server escrow unions, so they aren't breaking the rules.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    It won't but it'll make the game a proper mmo again with no advantage to the whales, as it has been proven whales are always bad for the long term health of any game, epsecially one that already has a rather expensive monthly fee and box price to just get into the game.
    It's been proven whales are bad for the long term health of a game? Where? Literally hundreds of games wouldn't exist right now without whales. Eso was saved from death cause you got people buying 150$ homes and gambling on crown crates to get cool mounts.

  7. #147
    The problem with boost for gold being ok is it pretty much allows the frame work for boost with RMT to legitimately exists. Because a lot of the boosters themselves don't probably know which they boosting for. You, as a booster, get a DM from a guy that that says player X needs to be boosted though event Y and they have paid in full. Then at the end if that boosted player paid with dollars or gold you probably get a payout of gold to the boosters in either case. Now that isn't saying their are some 100% clean boosting communities out there that legit only take gold. But it is REALLY easy for those communities to have just one little birdy that takes a few dollars and injects a few boosts into that other wise clean community totally unknowingly to almost everyone else in that community and no one be the wiser that some some of the names on the schedule in front of them were put there with RMT.

    At the end though I am not sure if nuking the whole communities is really the answer. Mostly because I think it will just adapt and continue in some new form that won't be as easily shutdown or monitors. I am not sure if banning everyone doing any boosting is going to stop it. But I see why they did it.. even if I don't believe it ultimately to be that effective.

  8. #148
    I liked boosting, it was an easy way to get rid of boring progression. I mean, if you don't get boosted by RMT, you're just going to buy a bot and as long as they're not banning bot's all their stuff is kinda useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Good now they just need to remove the token as I've been saying and I know it's coming so don't QQ when it happens.
    Not a chance. Who knows how many the sell daily.. Each costing the equivalent of a sub.

  10. #150
    Blizzard should ask themselves why boosting is in so high demand in WoW in the first place.

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    remember that blizzard banned automation for multi account, and that aura for auto follow is very similar, and so not allowed.

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    Well now I'll have to use their websites for boosts. Just making it more difficult, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorice View Post
    Well now I'll have to use their websites for boosts. Just making it more difficult, really.
    Which I'd assume is the whole point... pretty sure they're aware they'll never fully get rid of boosting.

  14. #154
    I hope this won't affect the wow mod for blind people too much

    https://duugu.github.io/Sku/first_steps_en.html

    https://duugu.github.io/Sku/

    as there's an addon for sighted people and i thought one of the functioanlities was to make the blind person lock on you again when you lose him cuz he's stuck somewhere.

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    Why in the fuck does Blizzard have the Authority to shut down Discord Servers?

    What actual bullshittery is this?

  16. #156
    Nice. Now start permanently banning those boosting and the players buying them.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Why in the fuck does Blizzard have the Authority to shut down Discord Servers?

    What actual bullshittery is this?
    Spreading cheats and services that break other programs ToS is against Discords ToS. Any company or organisation can ask Discord to ban a server that breaks their (and therefor also Discords) ToS.

    They don't need 'Authority', they asked Discord and Discord said 'sure'.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Sure. Still confused as to how any of that is a crack, cheat, or hack. It isnt any of thise things. And those are the things Discord says you can be banned for. So, since the thing were doing wasnt any of those things… why were they banned again?

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    And heres the rub. This makes more sense, but… Discord shouldnt give a fuck. Its not Discord’s problem and they arent liable for what their users post, any more than Facebook, Twitter, et al, are.

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    Yeah its currently like .82c to the USD, and on top of that, there are more taxes and fees on stuff like this in CAN. I think the Canadians pay something like 19$ USD equiv.

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    Its prerty dystopian. Cheating in a video game is not breaking a law. Its not criminal activity (in most cases, at least). The mere fact that Discord is getting involved in this at all is pretty protofascist. Also because they just take the word of, or set the standard at whatever the other company sys, not any real legal definition. Like.. “Blizzard told us you cheated at their game, so we’re banning you here.” Shit like that is enough to ensure ill never use their software ever again.

    So like… im not allowed to talk about things with my friends that arent illegal or criminal… because another, totally different company got butthurt? Fuck that noise.

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    I hear hosts outside the US are totally behilden to the DMCA….owait, no.
    It’s not dystopian for a company to say “we don’t want to be a platform that enables cheating, please leave.”

    If I own a piece of land next to a store and someone says “I want to use your land to have a bbq”, I would say sure why not.

    That doesn’t mean that if another person comes and says “I want to use your land to protest the store next to you” I need to let them do it or it’s a DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMARE.

    If I want to maintain a good relationship with my neighbor and not be known for causing problems in the neighborhood, that’s my business.

    People like you think it’s a dystopian nightmare when your parents tell you to do your fucking homework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    Man, some of you guys are absurd. Truly.

    Discord is a company that primarily revolves around the facilitation of communication between video game communities. Is it that hard to understand that they see it as being in their own best interests to keep the makers of those games on side?

    Discord don't allow the discussion of cheating in videogames. Blizzard sets the rules in WoW. Escrow boosting communities are breaking those rules. Discord bans escrow communities.

    It's not even hard to follow.

    Companies whose interests are somewhat aligned, or even share the same sphere of influence, frequently collaborate and cooperate in many walks of life. This isn't unusual or even uncommon. Don't go making up weird narratives about dystopian universes because gaming-aligned services agree with each other. Discord is a private entity, Blizzard are a private entity, and both of them feel like they benefit from whatever this move is. There is nothing dystopian, nor even weird, about that. Your option is to move on and not use them.
    Boosting (RM or gold or free) is still not cheating.....It might be against the WoW EULA (edit: prohibited commercial use...not cheating. hacking or cracking by WoW either) , fair enough, but it is not cheating, hacking or cracking by definiton for Discord...Not like I care about them (i mean boosters) but I see a little discrepancy here.

    "Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.iv.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale/selling/exchanging outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform; or (v) organizing, promoting, facilitating, or participating in any event involving wagering on the outcome, or any other aspect of, Blizzard’s Games, whether or not such conduct constitutes gambling under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction, without authorization."
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    Quote Originally Posted by cateran100 View Post
    Boosting (RM or gold or free) is still not cheating.....It might be against the WoW EULA (edit: prohibited commercial use...not cheating. hacking or cracking by WoW either) , fair enough, but it is not cheating, hacking or cracking by definiton for Discord...Not like I care about them (i mean boosters) but I see a little discrepancy here.

    "Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.iv.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale/selling/exchanging outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform; or (v) organizing, promoting, facilitating, or participating in any event involving wagering on the outcome, or any other aspect of, Blizzard’s Games, whether or not such conduct constitutes gambling under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction, without authorization."
    Discord does not specifically define the word “cheat” in the TOS so it is reasonable to conclude they use a colloquial definition, not a technical definition referring to things like programs that enable cheating.

    The colloquial definition clearly includes “to violate rules dishonestly”. I don’t know where you guys got this idea that the word “cheat” only means running hacks or using exploits.
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