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    Why did Blizz remove so much of the warlock tankiness?

    We used to have some passive stuff that increased our armour a bit, and some passive straight off damage reduction, you could glyph into 27% passive damage reduction during mop which was neat. Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now. Also increased stamina. What changed?
    Last edited by Narwhalosh Whalescream; 2022-08-10 at 08:46 AM.

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    They removed it from Aff/Destro and gave it just to Demo.

    Why? Because they are retards.

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    Warlock was one of the classes that barely required healer attention (especially aff obviously). Similar to feral and shadow priest. They nerfed self sustain across the board not just warlock.
    And arena was probably also a reason but i never played one in pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    They removed it from Aff/Destro and gave it just to Demo.

    Why? Because they are retards.
    It's 2022. Long past time to stop using that word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    It's 2022. Long past time to stop using that word.
    which word?

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    [QUOTE=Lobosan;53873425]It's 2022. Long past time to stop using that word.[/QUOT

    Thats retarded

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    Thats retarded
    Tell me you're 10 without telling me you're 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    We used to have some passive stuff that increased our armour a bit, and some passive straight off damage reduction, you could glyph into 27% passive damage reduction during mop which was neat. Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now. What changed?
    What? Warlock is still EXTREMLY tanky...
    Also why would you need armor in PVE?
    if you want armor that is in PVP and that is a pvp talent.
    "Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now"
    Bro what the fuck?

    i feel like your complaint is "I cant be unkillable and press drain life to instantly heal to full"

    Warlock is still the tankiest dps caster class, and one of the tankiest classes in general, with tons of defensives, self heal, and damage reduction capabilites, we commonly compete with tanks for hp, and have default leech and shield, which means the more damage you deal the harder you are to kill.

    and lastly what glyph in mop gave you a "passive 27% damage reduction" looking at the list not a single one of these does fucking anything close to that, dark apotheosis, the closest thing was not a "passive" it was a form you had to go into that drastically reduced your dps, making you an offtank.
    and that was only 10% phsyical, 15% magical...

    I feel like you have this weird rose tinted goggle versions of warlcoks that just never fucking existed of them being unkillable gods, with insane amounts of armor, damage reduction, and self healing.
    We have always had a fair bit of each, but not to the extreme you are describing, proven by the fact you think we literally had a GLYPH that decreased damage taken by fucking 27%!?
    Like bro, our tank spec gave us 10/15%, at the cost of a massive dps loss.
    Last edited by FelPlague; 2022-08-09 at 07:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    It's 2022. Long past time to stop using that word.
    So sayeth the ministry of truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    We used to have some passive stuff that increased our armour a bit, and some passive straight off damage reduction, you could glyph into 27% passive damage reduction during mop which was neat. Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now. What changed?
    That class design belongs to demon hunters.

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    I guess it depends what era we are trying to compare it too but Cataclysm was really where it started.

    Prior to that warlock gear always had more stam than other casters since life tap was intended to be a core mechanic of the class. Afterwards they pretty much normalized stam for all classes and made int required for SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    What? Warlock is still EXTREMLY tanky...
    Also why would you need armor in PVE?
    if you want armor that is in PVP and that is a pvp talent.
    "Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now"
    Bro what the fuck?

    i feel like your complaint is "I cant be unkillable and press drain life to instantly heal to full"

    Warlock is still the tankiest dps caster class, and one of the tankiest classes in general, with tons of defensives, self heal, and damage reduction capabilites, we commonly compete with tanks for hp, and have default leech and shield, which means the more damage you deal the harder you are to kill.

    and lastly what glyph in mop gave you a "passive 27% damage reduction" looking at the list not a single one of these does fucking anything close to that, dark apotheosis, the closest thing was not a "passive" it was a form you had to go into that drastically reduced your dps, making you an offtank.
    and that was only 10% phsyical, 15% magical...

    I feel like you have this weird rose tinted goggle versions of warlcoks that just never fucking existed of them being unkillable gods, with insane amounts of armor, damage reduction, and self healing.
    We have always had a fair bit of each, but not to the extreme you are describing, proven by the fact you think we literally had a GLYPH that decreased damage taken by fucking 27%!?
    Like bro, our tank spec gave us 10/15%, at the cost of a massive dps loss.
    This is all that needs to be said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    What? Warlock is still EXTREMLY tanky...
    Also why would you need armor in PVE?
    if you want armor that is in PVP and that is a pvp talent.
    "Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now"
    Bro what the fuck?

    i feel like your complaint is "I cant be unkillable and press drain life to instantly heal to full"

    Warlock is still the tankiest dps caster class, and one of the tankiest classes in general, with tons of defensives, self heal, and damage reduction capabilites, we commonly compete with tanks for hp, and have default leech and shield, which means the more damage you deal the harder you are to kill.

    and lastly what glyph in mop gave you a "passive 27% damage reduction" looking at the list not a single one of these does fucking anything close to that, dark apotheosis, the closest thing was not a "passive" it was a form you had to go into that drastically reduced your dps, making you an offtank.
    and that was only 10% phsyical, 15% magical...

    I feel like you have this weird rose tinted goggle versions of warlcoks that just never fucking existed of them being unkillable gods, with insane amounts of armor, damage reduction, and self healing.
    We have always had a fair bit of each, but not to the extreme you are describing, proven by the fact you think we literally had a GLYPH that decreased damage taken by fucking 27%!?
    Like bro, our tank spec gave us 10/15%, at the cost of a massive dps loss.
    They removed demon armor from pvp tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post

    and lastly what glyph in mop gave you a "passive 27% damage reduction" looking at the list not a single one of these does fucking anything close to that, dark apotheosis, the closest thing was not a "passive" it was a form you had to go into that drastically reduced your dps, making you an offtank.
    and that was only 10% phsyical, 15% magical...
    I believe they're referring to the "glyph of eternal resolve" that made unending resolve passive. However that lowered the damage reduction on it to just 10%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    What? Warlock is still EXTREMLY tanky...
    Also why would you need armor in PVE?
    if you want armor that is in PVP and that is a pvp talent.
    "Drain life used to actually heal you in legion unlike now"
    Bro what the fuck?

    i feel like your complaint is "I cant be unkillable and press drain life to instantly heal to full"

    Warlock is still the tankiest dps caster class, and one of the tankiest classes in general, with tons of defensives, self heal, and damage reduction capabilites, we commonly compete with tanks for hp, and have default leech and shield, which means the more damage you deal the harder you are to kill.

    and lastly what glyph in mop gave you a "passive 27% damage reduction" looking at the list not a single one of these does fucking anything close to that, dark apotheosis, the closest thing was not a "passive" it was a form you had to go into that drastically reduced your dps, making you an offtank.
    and that was only 10% phsyical, 15% magical...

    I feel like you have this weird rose tinted goggle versions of warlcoks that just never fucking existed of them being unkillable gods, with insane amounts of armor, damage reduction, and self healing.
    We have always had a fair bit of each, but not to the extreme you are describing, proven by the fact you think we literally had a GLYPH that decreased damage taken by fucking 27%!?
    Like bro, our tank spec gave us 10/15%, at the cost of a massive dps loss.
    If you're "commonly competing with tanks for hp", then your tanks are *severely* undergeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post

    Tell me you have mental issues without telling me you have mental issues.
    You nailed it. 100%



    Imagine being upset by words spoken by a stranger on internet forums. Especially when it is something as simple as being retarded, I don't know ANYONE who is offended by that word except liberals on the internet. Go cry in your safe space bud. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    They removed it from Aff/Destro and gave it just to Demo.

    Why? Because they are retards.
    Let's change that word to Dumbass. It's sounds much much better. Literally that is what all of Blizzard is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatgunn View Post
    I believe they're referring to the "glyph of eternal resolve" that made unending resolve passive. However that lowered the damage reduction on it to just 10%.
    yeah 10%, so... far less then 27%.

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