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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalam the Venom View Post
    It’s a 20% nerf. 50% is 20% lower than 70%
    None of this also factors into it?
    Mongoose Bite damage increased by 20%.
    Raptor Strike damage increased by 20%.
    Serpent Sting damage increased by 20%.
    Kill Command damage increased by 20%.
    Corrected an issue where Raptor Strike was dealing less damage than intended while Aspect of the Eagle was active.

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    The warlock class has been trash most of the expansion in M+, and now that it has one spec that is reasonably good, they're constantly nerfing it. I will never understand the mindset of blizzards balance changes. Sure, Rogues and Mages can have insane aoe, for the last 3 expansions, and they will never nerf it. But if a warlock spec is halfway decent in M+, it gets nerfed until no one plays the spec anymore. utter nonsense

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosk View Post
    They are ruining wrath classic with changes. Only blizzard could be so stupid to think they could improve it.
    I will admit there are a lot of changes I disagree with when it comes to wotlk classic, but which one on here do you dislike?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    The warlock class has been trash most of the expansion in M+, and now that it has one spec that is reasonably good, they're constantly nerfing it. I will never understand the mindset of blizzards balance changes. Sure, Rogues and Mages can have insane aoe, for the last 3 expansions, and they will never nerf it. But if a warlock spec is halfway decent in M+, it gets nerfed until no one plays the spec anymore. utter nonsense
    "Reasonably good", "Half decent" are you for real?

    Destruction has been the definition of a meta spec together with SV for the last half year. I think with the nerfs both those specs have gotten off "easy" to be honest. A lot of the previous meta specs got completely gutted after they had their time to shine. Do I think they should have been gutted? Absolutely not, but if you don't think those specs were overperforming for the last couple months you're absolutely delusional.

    Edit: Also I wouldn't be surprised if after those nerfs we will still see warlocks in the highest keys. Destros AoE is still going to be strong and demo is also still one of the strongest specs in the game right now.
    Last edited by roldy27; 2022-08-09 at 04:35 PM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by roldy27 View Post
    "Reasonably good", "Half decent" are you for real?

    Destruction has been the definition of a meta spec together with SV for the last half year. I think with the nerfs both those specs have gotten off "easy" to be honest. A lot of the previous meta specs got completely gutted after they had their time to shine. Do I think they should have been gutted? Absolutely not, but if you don't think those specs were overperforming for the last couple months you're absolutely delusional.

    Edit: Also I wouldn't be surprised if after those nerfs we will still see warlocks in the highest keys. Destros AoE is still going to be strong and demo is also still one of the strongest specs in the game right now.
    Exactly. Demo been strong the majority of the time and still remains strong and hasn’t been nerfed…

  6. #26
    Race and Faction Change
    While it won’t be ready for our launch in September, we have changed our minds on this, and we’re working on adding the Race and Faction change as a paid service in a future patch.

    Originally, we planned not to offer Race and Faction change at all, because it felt like it removed some of that fantasy feeling of having dramatically different physical attributes that affect your gameplay. We were also a little worried about players chasing the “flavor of the month” in terms of racial abilities However, we’re convinced by the argument that being able to play with your friends is more important, and that you should be able to bring your accomplishments with you when you do. This turns out to be the same tradeoff provided by transferring between realms, which is already available as a paid service, so it makes sense to make the same decision with respect to Race and Faction change.

    In short, this fits our aim to nurture and protect social experiences, so we’ll work on it for an upcoming patch.
    I am totally for race changes, but Lol just call it what it is - didn't want to lose out on the revenue lol

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    The warlock class has been trash most of the expansion in M+, and now that it has one spec that is reasonably good, they're constantly nerfing it. I will never understand the mindset of blizzards balance changes. Sure, Rogues and Mages can have insane aoe, for the last 3 expansions, and they will never nerf it. But if a warlock spec is halfway decent in M+, it gets nerfed until no one plays the spec anymore. utter nonsense

    I think this is one of the reasons I left WoW and decided to go some where else. Blizzard can't make up their fucking minds on where a spec should be in terms of DPS. One week they buffing shit. They next week they nerfing the same damn spec by 5% or 10%. It is a up and down roller coaster ride. Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadwen View Post
    None of this also factors into it?
    Mongoose Bite damage increased by 20%.
    Raptor Strike damage increased by 20%.
    Serpent Sting damage increased by 20%.
    Kill Command damage increased by 20%.
    Corrected an issue where Raptor Strike was dealing less damage than intended while Aspect of the Eagle was active.
    Will still be overall less damage even with those.

    They are just compensation, But the overall dmg will be lower due to the 20% nerf on set bonus

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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by roldy27 View Post
    "Reasonably good", "Half decent" are you for real?

    Destruction has been the definition of a meta spec together with SV for the last half year. I think with the nerfs both those specs have gotten off "easy" to be honest. A lot of the previous meta specs got completely gutted after they had their time to shine. Do I think they should have been gutted? Absolutely not, but if you don't think those specs were overperforming for the last couple months you're absolutely delusional.

    Edit: Also I wouldn't be surprised if after those nerfs we will still see warlocks in the highest keys. Destros AoE is still going to be strong and demo is also still one of the strongest specs in the game right now.
    I get what you're saying, but again, I played warlock since MoP. Legion we had one patch where Aff was great, and then we were shit the entire expansion. BFA, we were shit the entire expansion, and with SL, it was only until this patch where Destro is strong enough to compete with fire mages that we're in the mix. Until then, the only time warlocks were taken into keys of 20+ were with friends. It was impossible to pug, and while I understand pugging is part of the game, and having friends etc means you don't have to, it can't be exclusive to that. Folks don't always play at the same time, and M+ is very fun. Demo has been mediocre all of SL, but you'd NEVER take a Demo lock over a fire mage of equal skill/ilvl, not at the start of SL, and not even now. Right now before the nerfs, destro was in a spot where most pugs might actually consider taking a destro lock over a firemage. But after the nerfs, maybe not.

  10. #30
    So if you kill 1 boss on Heroic 10 or 25 man and are not able to kill any more, can you set the raid back to normal to complete or are you stuck with a 1/4 in TOGC for that lockout?

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    it was only until this patch where Destro is strong enough to compete with fire mages that we're in the mix.
    Destruction wasn't competing for the top spot in s3 and to a lesser extent the beginning of s4, they were so far ahead of everything else it wasn't even funny. Destruction took one semi small nerf at the beginning of s3 and a substantial nerf before s4 and was still the meta spec. If have never seen that be the case since m+ was a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Demo has been mediocre all of SL, but you'd NEVER take a Demo lock over a fire mage of equal skill/ilvl
    That's an incredibly biased take and just outright not true. There have been a lot of dungeons in s3 where demo was competetive with every range spec other than destruction and it was played in some of the highest keys. Demo has been knocking at the door of being meta all of season 3 and was only gatekept ironically by destruction. If destruction wouldn't have been so strong we would have seen a lot more people pushing on demo but players going for the highest spots will naturally pick the strongest spec.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Right now before the nerfs, destro was in a spot where most pugs might actually consider taking a destro lock over a firemage.
    Have we been playing different games? I don't know any group that would have preferred a fire mage of equal score and equal ilevel over a destruction warlock. Just from a utility standpoint alone just ignoring the fact destruction outperformed fire mages even after the round of nerfs at the end of s3.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Folks don't always play at the same time, and M+ is very fun.
    Go ahead and ask dps dks, shamans, shadows, paladins, druids how fun it was to try and push in s3. People would rather wait in queue for minutes for a warlock or survival to queue than take any of those classes. I know a lot of people who outright stopped pushing keys, because they felt like they were griefing their friends bringing those classes to pushgroups and doing in some cases half the dps a destruction warlock would do.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalam the Venom View Post
    Will still be overall less damage even with those.

    They are just compensation, But the overall dmg will be lower due to the 20% nerf on set bonus
    The SV nerf is a joke. They are still too strong. A buff to all their ST abilities to compensate a single Tier Set bonus nerf is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    The SV nerf is a joke. They are still too strong. A buff to all their ST abilities to compensate a single Tier Set bonus nerf is ridiculous.
    Surv is very fun currently tho.

    Got my hunter to 275 ilvl last season.

    Tho currently i am preparing for WOTLK launch in classic, so no Season 4 for me.

    You should try out surv yourself, It is very fun.

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